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66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars.
Posted By: Race&Resto
66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 03:54 AM
Seen this advertised, looks like a very cool Hemi project! I'm sure some of you have heard about this car before, as well as some of the other 4-door Hemi cars built, discuss.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Cor...c52999475#v4-37
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:05 AM
The good old Canadian four door. BS27R1B owned the car at one time and so did another person Tony D. He sold the car into the USA. I remember when another owner ripped the trim off the rear quarter on a cement pillar back in about 1983 at a mopar car show in Markham Ontario. I believe this car was sold out of Davidson Chrysler in Scarborough. This car seems to surface for sale about every 10 years. There was also a story being told of another 4 door hemi car sold new in Canada but it was a Plymouth.
Posted By: Cooter
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:14 AM
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:17 AM
The 1967 Belvedere II car in Finland (the only known and documented 4 door Plymouth Hemi car of any year) the other 3 known/documented cars were all 1966 Dodge Coronets, this gold Canadian car, the white US built car that's in Garlits museum, and the other US built car that is the red and was sold at BJ a few years back.
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:24 AM
Scott the other 4 door Hemi Plymouth I speek about was told to me by a person that once owned the Canadian Hemi 4 door Coronet on E Bay. That was before even people new such animals existed. I do not believe Chrysler has any known 66-67 Hemi Production figures that can be stated at true numbers built.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:25 AM
Yes I also remember seeing this 66 Hemi 4-door Coronet in a old nhoa newsletter, a guy buy the name of Harold Davies? used to own it back in the 80's, but I heard that he passed away years ago. I guess it changed hands several times after that. It would be nice if someone finally restored this thing, I think it's one of the rarer hemi cars built. Anyone got a extra hitch laying around to bolt on it, lol.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:28 AM
Here's the Garlits car
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:29 AM
Here's the red car sold at Barrett....Unless another DOCUMENTED example surfaces... that's all folks!
*The guy you read about in the NHOA letter owned this red car, he was from Witchita, (both the white & red cars were from the same area) I believe his name was Floyd, his name was on a special plaque on the dash.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:37 AM
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Scott the other 4 door Hemi Plymouth I speek about was told to me by a person that once owned the Canadian Hemi 4 door Coronet on E Bay
I've never heard of or seen any evidence of the Canadian Plymouth you mentioned, if it exists (which I sort of doubt, allot of clones and transplants out there) I'd love to see the details that's for sure.
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:38 AM
Harold Davies from Owen Sound,Ontario did at one time own the Car. You are right has passed away. Another was Len Wieler. The person that sold the Car to the USA was Tony his name is on the Ontario Ownership in the E-Bay ad, I believe he bought the car from BS27R1B. At one time I was thinking of buying the car off Tony but it needed a lot of work and there were a ton of other Hemi Car for sale at that time.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 04:57 AM
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*The guy you read about in the NHOA letter owned this red car, he was from Witchita, (both the white & red cars were from the same area) I believe his name was Floyd, his name was on a special plaque on the dash.
Yes I recall the fellow from Kansas with the two 4-door Hemi Coronet's, but his name eludes me. Floyd was the original owner of the red car with his name on a plaque located on the dash. The owner? of white car bought the red one as well, he owned both of them, and eventually sold off the white car to Garlits I believe, then sold off the red one next, or vice-versa.
But this faded goldish 66 4-door Hemi Coronet was the very first Hemi 4-door that I ever seen in my life! I believe Harold Davies was a old nhoa director at the time, but I don't recall seeing that other nhoa article you speak of? I vaguely remember it but my memory isn't what it used to be. Anyway those other 66 4-door Hemi Coronet's & one 67 4-door Hemi Plymouth didn't hit the news-stands featured in the Mopar magazine's for a couple of years after that.
Can someone scoop that faded gold photo from the ebay ad and post it on here, thanks.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 05:26 AM
Sure
Posted By: xs29j8
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 05:25 PM
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Yes I recall the fellow from Kansas with the two 4-door Hemi Coronet's, but his name eludes me. Floyd was the original owner of the red car with his name on a plaque located on the the dash. The owner? of white car bought the red one as well, he owned both of them, and eventually sold off the white car to Garlits I believe, then sold off the red one next, or vice-versa.
But this faded goldish 66 4-door Hemi Coronet was the very first Hemi 4-door that I ever seen in my life! I believe Harold Davies was a old nhoa director at the time, but I don't recall seeing that other nhoa article you speak of? I vaguely remember it but my memory isn't what it used to be.
The original owner of the red car was Floyd "Pappy" Cline, and the white one was owned by Dave Betthauser (not the original owner). The red car sat without an engine or transmission in a driveway across the street from a post office that I used when I was on the NHOA Board.
Allen
Posted By: 70440+6bbl
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 06:17 PM
I just e-mailed this link to my buddy Ed (Moparts member), hopefully he chimes in and posts a pic of the hemi Plymouth 4dr that his family owned in the '60's. IIRC, it was a 4-spd car.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 06:27 PM
See if he has a pic of the vin or fender tag!
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 06:53 PM
James- Thanks for the head's up.
Scott/All,
I've posted replies in the past when this topic comes up, regarding my father's 1966 Plymouth Belv II 4 door Hemi, factory 4 speed car. Here are the details of the car- as documented by my father in 2004:
"My car - Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7. I drove it as my only car for 72,000 miles during a 22 month period. In March 1968, my second cousin Allen Greg Bull bought the car. I believe he sold it to owner #3 who sold it to owner #4, who owned a gas station in Hackensack NJ. I bought the car back in March/April 1972, with 112,000 - 115,000 miles on it."
In 1976 the car was freshened up with new quarters and allot of NOS parts, and my father installed a full factory air conditioning system removed from a 66 Coronet. It had 180,000 miles on it when it disappeared 7/4/80: often the car was parked in a municipal parking lot adjacent to our home. Car was discovered missing on the morning of 7/5/80. In September of 1980, we received a failure to pay notice from the Paterson, New Jersey Police Department regarding an overdue parking ticket issued against the car on 7/9/80. We know who stole the car: a guy who was interested in my mother's 1968 383/4 speed Sport Fury convertible. At the time, the Hemi car was parked (gas crunch) and my father was considering selling it: so he showed the car to this guy (named "Ed": reddish hair, in his 30's at the time, and from Paterson NJ, driving a blue 1973/4 Mustang Conv) when he came to look at the Sport Fury Conv.
I grew up with this car- it did exist. I have few pictures, of poor 1960's-1970's quality, and none of the interior. All documentation that would possibly have a VIN have long been discarded (registrations/insurance cards). Also, within the past few years, a board member attempted to locate the police report from when the car was stolen in the NICB database: no luck in locating a record. If anyone is willing/able to make another 'go' at locating the report- I would be grateful: I just want to get a VIN on this car.
I've been meaning to scan in the pics I have and at least get them to Scott for his records: maybe this year it'll get done.
Thanks for reading: it sickens me this car is gone.
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 10:29 PM
It seems like there is another guy looking for that same green 66 4-door Belvedere II Hemi car that you speak of, unless this other person is related to you?
http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12540
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/15/10 10:43 PM
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It seems like there is another guy looking for that same green 66 4-door Belvedere II Hemi car that you speak of, unless this other person is related to you?
http://www.thehemi.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12540
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for locating this! 
OK- this must be Allen Bull. On the phone with my father regarding this. Also- waiting on a user ID for that forum in order to reply to that thread.
As for the 150 mph speedo: my father swapped in a 67 GTX speedo- retaining the odometer from the original- in late 1966.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:44 AM
Located a few pics- these are from late March 1972, with my mother lashing the valves. The first shows the car as a 4 door. In the 2nd one, the motor can be seen. The 426 emblems are not present on the car, as they were removed shortly after it was delivered to further enhance the sleeper image:
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:45 AM
2nd:
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:47 AM
2 pic of the engine bay, a few days after delivery in 1966:
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:49 AM
2nd one:
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:52 AM
NICE!
Ok
NOW we are getting somewhere. Without absalute proof (VIN# etc.) it's still unconfirmed, but that car sure does look authentic......However....No shots showing it's a 4 door, that could be the front of a 2 door hard top based on what you can/can't see, just being
advocate. Wait, nevermind, the first pic shows the pass side enough to see the 4 door piller and rear door glass. Nuff said, that's a 4 door!
I really hope more shows up about this car, it would sure be neat to see it confirmed, and even better, FOUND!
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:53 AM
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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:55 AM
Yes, I was editing when you posted, I see it. Strange, I don't see a 426 Hemi decal on the air cleaner, or 426 Hemi emblems (or HP2) on the lower fenders? Can you explain that? I've never seen a real Hemi car that didn't have the emblems it should have come with.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:55 AM
Here is a shot of the engine bay, in 1976 after the A/C install:
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:57 AM
Way cool!
Posted By: RUNCHARGER
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 05:03 AM
Dang: That Belv is the most interesting 4 door Hemi by far! 4 Speed and wood wheel, what a sleeper. Hope you can somehow find the VIN.
Sheldon
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 05:05 AM
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Yes, I was editing when you posted, I see it. Strange, I don't see a 426 Hemi decal on the air cleaner, or 426 Hemi emblems (or HP2) on the lower fenders? Can you explain that? I've never seen a real Hemi car that didn't have the emblems it should have come with.
Car was ordered in 3/66- after HP2 designation was used: correct? As stated in an earlier post: the lower fender emblems were removed by my father shortly after delivery to seal the sleeper status of the car. As for the air cleaner: I cannot advise. All I know is that the 2 engine pics were taken ( developed on slides) by a friend of my father at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds within 1 week of him getting the car- that I am certain of.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 05:07 AM
One more pic (the short person in this one is me):
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 05:10 AM
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Car was ordered in 3/66- after HP2 designation was used: correct? As stated in an earlier post: the lower fender emblems were removed by my father shortly after delivery to seal the sleeper status of the car. As for the air cleaner: I cannot advise. All I know is that the 2 engine pics were taken ( developed on slides) by a friend of my father at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds within 1 week of him getting the car- that I am certain of.
Yes, you are correct about the HP2 emblems, they would have been the 426 Hemi variety.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 05:21 AM
Car is a week or two old and the washer bottle has an already an aged yellow look to it. I've always argued that they were never a stark white as many people seem to believe, they were always at least a little yellow even when new.
Posted By: dynotune440
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 07:34 AM
for some reason, the I remember seeing something in the Swamp Rat's Den about the white car saying something about it being a law enforcement car...FBI or something....
Posted By: HPMike
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 12:27 PM
Pretty interesting stuff...
I bet there might be someone who knew of the whererabouts of this car-but he is presently deceased. Willie Howell used to run with a lot of the guys from Paterson back in the day. He probably knew something of this car. Hey Ed, did you try to contact Jerry Stein abiut this?? I am a personal friend of Jerry and I can give him a call for you if you wish. You also should try to dig up some of the old Clifton "Gasoline Alley" guys. I do know a bunch of them still. I can reach out and see what comes of it.
Frankly, I am surprised that I never heard of this car before-especially being right in my backyard. I usually know of a lot of the obscure stuff around here.
Great story.
MB
Posted By: jrwoodjoe
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 02:32 PM
Hey...this is NEAT. LOVE the pics and story. It would be awesome if this car was still around. Just curious ED, did your father receive an insurance settlement for the theft? With all the stories about stolen cars being found lately, it would be cool if this one turned up.
Joe
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 03:23 PM
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Pretty interesting stuff...
I bet there might be someone who knew of the whererabouts of this car-but he is presently deceased. Willie Howell used to run with a lot of the guys from Paterson back in the day. He probably knew something of this car. Hey Ed, did you try to contact Jerry Stein abiut this?? I am a personal friend of Jerry and I can give him a call for you if you wish. You also should try to dig up some of the old Clifton "Gasoline Alley" guys. I do know a bunch of them still. I can reach out and see what comes of it.
Frankly, I am surprised that I never heard of this car before-especially being right in my backyard. I usually know of a lot of the obscure stuff around here.
Great story.
MB
Hey Mike,
I've met Jerry a few times, via a mutual friend (TS) but do not know him personally. Run it by him-and anyone else for that matter- worth a shot. It would be greatly appreciated. 
This car spent it's whole life in Bergen County NJ- always within a 20 mile radius of where it was delivered new (Wyckoff/River Edge/Paramus/Haworth/Paterson). When it was not traveling to/from Maryland (where my father was stationed), it was out on the streets in Bergen and Rockland Co (Nanuet/Spring Valley). Some of the racing tales I've been told of was seeing who could get from the Nanuet Hotel down to the Fireplace in Paramus, first: many high speed runs down the GSP happened in that car....
Funny you mention 'Gasoline Alley': I omitted part of my father's recanting of the car. The motor in this car was redone in 67- storyline below:
"At 52,000 miles, in mid June 1967, a piston ring broke and scored a cylinder wall, # 3, 4, 5, or 6, I don't remember which. I had purchased .040 over pistons before disassembly only to discover the score was .027" deep and the cylinder needed to be sleeved. The sleeve and all other cylinders were bored .040 over and bronze guides were installed in the heads along with new exhaust valves. This work was done by Dick Simonek on "gasoline Alley" in Paterson. The car was back in service on 7/14/67. "
I am 99% sure only the motor was taken there: not the car also. Just a small tid-bit. If you come up with anything, drop me a line: again- thanks.
Ed
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 03:26 PM
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Hey...this is NEAT. LOVE the pics and story. It would be awesome if this car was still around. Just curious ED, did your father receive an insurance settlement for the theft? With all the stories about stolen cars being found lately, it would be cool if this one turned up.
Joe
Yes- He did get a settlement: had to fight the insurance co to get some real $$ (in 1980 value) for the loss. They did not initially acknowledge/understand the 'H' in the VIN (Hemi). Still, it was .01 on the dollar to its value today.
Posted By: AZ-Nick
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 03:49 PM
here is the pic lightened up a tad and you can see the front bench seat and the back door behind the drivers door. This is a neat car, please find more info about it.....
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 03:55 PM
Thanks Nick!!!
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:28 PM
Also, for the record. I remember that the 66 Hemi Charger off Cora's (the Mauve survivor) was also was lacking the air cleaner decal. She had the dealer swap the 426 fender emblems for 383 because she was tired of street racers egging her on, it's possible the dealer also removed the air cleaner decal but she claims it was never there.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 04:54 PM
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Also, for the record. I remember that the 66 Hemi Charger off Cora's (the Mauve survivor) was also was lacking the air cleaner decal. She had the dealer swap the 426 fender emblems for 383 because she was tired of street racers egging her on, it's possible the dealer also removed the air cleaner decal but she claims it was never there.
I'll ask my father and see what his recollection is regarding the air cleaner decal.
Posted By: 70440+6bbl
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 06:03 PM
Ed- thanks for posting about the car again! So, are you buying the X9 '69?
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/16/10 06:52 PM
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So, are you buying the X9 '69?
Counting up my pennies... 
among other things. Had I not bought the M, things would be a little different.
We'll see.
Posted By: 66belvII
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 07:29 PM
My name is A. Greg Bull and I purchased this car from Ed Jacod in May of 1968. I was the second owner and attached is the only picture I have of the car. As far as the car being a real four-door, this picture should help clear things up a little. Attached pic was taken in front of my house on Wales Ave. River Edge, NJ in 1968. Close inspection will show the 426 emblem behind the right front wheel and front anti-sway bar that came with the hemi option package can be seen as well. I installed the mag wheels in the picture shortly after purchasing the car from Ed. The car came with the full wheel covers as shown in the pictures from EWJ above.
I would be interested in any comments. Thanks.
Posted By: AZ-Nick
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 07:37 PM
a little bigger and lighter.... click the attachment for a larger view of this picture..... thank you for posting it....
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 08:04 PM
Greg- thank you for responding! Quite a sight!
I will pass on your regards to my father.
Nick- thanks for the pic.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 08:16 PM
Greg- You made reference to the window sticker on the other board: did my father pass on the mileage book with the sticker when sold to you? We've never been able to locate it- only the book from the 68 Hemi RoadRunner has been found. Do you recall when you sold it, how it was sold (newspaper, parked at a gas station or something??) and the name of the person or where he lived?
Posted By: YGBSM
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 08:22 PM
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Close inspection will show the 426 emblem behind the right front wheel and front anti-sway bar that came with the hemi option package can be seen as well.
Did you reinstall the badges when you bought the car? EWJ says his father removed the badges after delivery.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 08:46 PM
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Close inspection will show the 426 emblem behind the right front wheel and front anti-sway bar that came with the hemi option package can be seen as well.
Did you reinstall the badges when you bought the car? EWJ says his father removed the badges after delivery.
My recollection of my father's tales regarding the emblems are obviously incorrect . I will be speaking to him tonight for clarification- or perhaps I may be able to persuade him to join in this thread.
More to come.
Posted By: 66belvII
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 09:06 PM
Sold the car to Brian McCullough(not certain of spelling) - think it was 1970. He would have been 3rd owner. I believe Brian graduated from River Dell High School(Oradell) in 1969. I remember having window sticker and owner's manual - believe both went with car to Brian. Sold car by word of mouth. During my ownership the car was parked a lot at my Dads's Esso gas station on Kinderkamack Rd in River Edge - building is still there. You're Dad would remember the station.
Sent you an email from my BB earlier w/ my gmail address - hope you rec'd.
Thanks,
Greg
Posted By: AZ-Nick
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/17/10 09:10 PM
this is getting better with every post, lets hope he has the paperwork, wow, I still cant believe this is for real, I am not saying I do not believe it, I can't believe it really existed until this thread proved it, wow..... thank you all for joining in.....
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 02:02 AM
As an update to a few points having spoken to my father today:
1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.
2) The 426 air cleaner decal: the car never had one. Another Hemi car, ordered by my father's friend through the same dealer (Franklin Motors) and delivered in May 1966 did not have the decal either.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 02:11 AM
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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.
That would explain the slightly grungy look of the washer bottle in the color pics, the car was at least 4-5 years old when they were taken right?
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 02:50 AM
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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.
That would explain the slightly grungy look of the washer bottle in the color pics, the car was at least 4-5 years old when they were taken right?
Scott- The engine pics were taken at the time I've stated in a prior post (within 1 week of delivery). The FENDER emblems are to what I am speaking to in point "1".
Point "2" is speaking to the air cleaner decal: and when the question was raised, my father immediately responded that there was never one on his car. He then went on to say that his friend’s car never had it either- without my even asking.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 02:54 AM
I am in the process of contacting Brian McCullough (3rd owner)- he is currently in the Los Angeles area.
Posted By: HPMike
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 04:13 AM
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1) The 426 fender emblems were not removed upon initial purchase: they were on the fenders until at least early 1972 when my father repurchased the car. Sorry for the incorrect info.
That would explain the slightly grungy look of the washer bottle in the color pics, the car was at least 4-5 years old when they were taken right?
Scott- The engine pics were taken at the time I've stated in a prior post (within 1 week of delivery). The FENDER emblems are to what I am speaking to in point "1".
Point "2" is speaking to the air cleaner decal: and when the question was raised, my father immediately responded that there was never one on his car. He then went on to say that his friend’s car never had it either- without my even asking.
Ed:
I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. 
They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.
MB
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 04:48 AM
Mike- I too have the same disposition, especially when it comes to Mopar: things were not always as they should have been, or of logical combination.
I've located a pic of the car from 1979- the way it appeared (and in the same parking lot no less...) when stolen on 7/4/1980
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Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 04:49 AM
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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 05:50 AM
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Ed:
I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.
MB
Hey, name calling insn't called for here, I was not being derogatory in the least, I was simply asking questions because there were some things that were out of the norm, I didn't use the word "Never" or "Always" did I?
The way I read it he said that his father removed the emblems when it was new, then later read that they were'nt removed until 1972 when he bought it back. Since the emblems were not shown in the pics of the car when it was new something didn't add up.
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 06:57 AM
Deep breaths here, this is too good of a thread to get the axe. Please.
Posted By: HPMike
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 11:11 AM
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Ed:
I am sure you are 100% correct in yours and your fathers recollection of what was(or wasn't), on the car when new. Just disregard all of the pinheads that think ALL of these cars HAD to be produced to the letter of the standard. They have NO clue. Often the case, especially in the early days, there were omissions, errors and other such quirks that make the point that there were no absolutes.
MB
Hey, name calling insn't called for here, I was not being derogatory in the least, I was simply asking questions because there were some things that were out of the norm, I didn't use the word "Never" or "Always" did I?
The way I read it he said that his father removed the emblems when it was new, then later read that they were'nt removed until 1972 when he bought it back. Since the emblems were not shown in the pics of the car when it was new something didn't add up.
Sorry that you took offense as my comments weren't directed at you or anyone in particular. It just seems as no one accepts anyones word on anything and cast doubt upon anything that isn't the "written word". Even when you show them indisputable proof- they try to poke holes in it. These same people will argue that the sky isn't blue it's more of an "azure" color.
I agree with the previous post. It's a great story and it's not necessary to muddy it up at this point. Carry on.....
MB
Posted By: old_racer
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 01:12 PM
Hi,
not to change the subject but I had a chance to work on the red one this summer, A local guy here now owns it, didn't seem that big of a deal to me but now after reading this post I've changed my mine.
russ
Posted By: old_racer
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 01:13 PM
hemi shot
Posted By: old_racer
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/18/10 01:14 PM
interior shot with dash plack you guy mentioned
Posted By: 72N96RR
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 01:49 AM
Great post...Ed I sure wish you could get a lead on this car..You have spoken many times in our converstaions of this car and I know how much its means to you..Good luck with this search..
Posted By: RH41H
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 05:26 PM
I am the original owner of the 1966 Belvedere II referenced by A. Greg Bull in a previous post. The car was ordered through Franklin Motors in Wyckoff, NJ, where my father was General Manager. It was the third of five Hemi cars sold by the dealership during the 1966 model year. The order was place on Tuesday, March 22, and the car arrived at the dealer on Thursday, April 7, only 16 days later! I took delivery on Tuesday, April 12 and it was my only vehicle during the next 22 months. I drove it 72,000 miles during that period. I was in the Army and stationed 180 miles from home, but returned home every weekend. When the 1967 GTX model appeared, I purchased a GTX speedo and installed it in my car. I removed the odometer assembly from the '66 120 mph speedo and installed it into the 150 mph GTX speedo assy to maintain the correct milage reading. In August,'67 I reached 148 mph on one occassion. I meticulously logged every penny of gas, parts,insurance to understand the cost per mile of its ownership. The vehicle averaged 12.2 mpg for the 72,000 miles and the cost of ownership was 8.3 cents per mile. This was based upon purchase price less what it was sold to Mr. Bull for in 1968 and included a rebore (.040 over) with # 6 cyl sleeved due to a broken ring at 52,000 miles in June 1967. I became the fifth owner of the car (again) in 1972. It now had 115,000 miles on the odometer. From 1972 until July 4, 1980, I drove the car another 70,000 miles. It, unnessessarily, received another engine rebuild when severe blowby began at 120,000 miles. Under hard accelleration, the oil fill cap would blow off the valve cover and be cradeled between the steering shaft and the frame. After obtaining all parts to do a rebuild, the dissaembly began. The cause was not engine wear, but the heat riser section of the intake manifold had cracked and the screw-in core plug in the bottom of the heat riser section was now laying in the lifter valley. Some of the exhaust was being pumped into the internals of the engine and blowing off the cap. The vehicle was stolen July 4, 1980. The engine was likley removed and the body left on a street in Paterson, NJ. After repeated tickets left on the car, I believe it was towed and scrapped. Two months after the theft I received a summons for ignoring the tickets. I told the local police to whom I originally reported the theft to to resolve the summons.
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 06:19 PM
What a way for the 'ol Plymouth to go..... probably did get scrapped after the fines were never paid. Great story and info.
Posted By: NANKET
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 07:09 PM
The VIN of this and every other 66&67 4door Hemi car is in the IBM Cards at Chrysler. Somehow if someone can get an opprotunity to look at all the IBM cards they are all in there. A search between March 22nd, and April 7th and the VIN to this 66 will appear. Could take a few days off of each end of that date range for paperwork travel and the car being delivered to dealer.
Deal is now that you tell them the VIN and prove ownership and they send the info to you. So to work it the other way would have to be somehow arranged.
Posted By: ChryCoGuy
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 08:32 PM
Interesting story! Thanks for sharing it with us!
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The vehicle was stolen July 4, 1980. The engine was likley removed and the body left on a street in Paterson, NJ. After repeated tickets left on the car, I believe it was towed and scrapped. Two months after the theft I received a summons for ignoring the tickets. I told the local police to whom I originally reported the theft to to resolve the summons.
Egads! So you reported the vehicle stolen, yet the police issued parking tickets to you after the theft was reported. Seems strange that they never checked to see if the presumed abandoned vehicle was on file or not... especially if it was sitting on the street without an engine!
Sounds like somebody in the police department dropped the ball there! 
Posted By: RH41H
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 09:15 PM
The car was reported stolen to the police of the town and in the county in which I lived. The parking tickets and summons were issued by the city in another county where the car had been dumped.
Posted By: ChryCoGuy
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 09:36 PM
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The car was reported stolen to the police of the town and in the county in which I lived. The parking tickets and summons were issued by the city in another county where the car had been dumped.
I get it. Thanks for clearing that up! Too bad it had to end up that way... 
Posted By: srt
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 10:43 PM
Do you happen to recall the gear ratio? I ask this because 148 seems to be a recurring number for top speed of hemi cars. I believe a 66 had 14" wheels. 68 and up with 3.23's and 15" wheels went 148.
Just curious.
Posted By: ChryCoGuy
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 11:02 PM
Maybe the top speed was limited by aero drag?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/19/10 11:13 PM
It would have had a 3:54 Dana 60 with 14 x 5.5 Steel wheels
Posted By: NANKET
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 03:14 AM
I've located a pic of the car from 1979- the way it appeared (and in the same parking lot no less...) when stolen on 7/4/1980
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Look at the tires in the picture, they are big and meaty, not stock size. Could be 15's. Look at the front bumper on the 67 wagon, from a 68-9 plymouth.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 03:34 AM
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Look at the tires in the picture, they are big and meaty, not stock size. Could be 15's. Look at the front bumper on the 67 wagon, from a 68-9 plymouth.
Those wheels were installed in 1976 (not sure of the rim/tire size): the car had 14x5.5 when new. The 148 was done sometime between 1966 and 1968 I believe.
And good catch on the bumper: another board memeber swapped off the wagon's original bumper a few months before that pic was taken.....
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 03:37 AM
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I am in the process of contacting Brian McCullough (3rd owner)- he is currently in the Los Angeles area.
Still trying to contact Brian. 
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 03:38 AM
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Look at the tires in the picture, they are big and meaty, not stock size. Could be 15's. Look at the front bumper on the 67 wagon, from a 68-9 plymouth.
Yep, could be anything, but when new it would have been originally equipped with 14 x 5.5 rims.
Since the thread is locked I am commenting on the below (last) post here:
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Yeah I guess the Hemi production figure's for the Hemi 4-door's have almost doubled since this thread started, lol.
Let's keep our feet on the ground here, in reallity the official number has not yet changed, it stands at 4 cars, 1 1967 4 door Hemi Plymouth and 3 1966 4 door Hemi Dodges. The most promising exception being the green 66 Hemi Belvedere II that "most likely" existed, but since there is no VIN evidence to solidify it as "undeniable", it technically does not count. I really hope that someday a VIN # surfaces and can prove the car was 100% authentic, even if it probably does not exist any longer.
As far as other cars that might have been built but are now long gone, we may never know unless one surfaces in the future, and with the popularity and recognition Hemi cars get, expecially a 4 door, that possibility is pretty unlikely. In the end, no matter which way you cut it, they are super rare and unusual cars.
Posted By: GOLDENCOMMANDO
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 04:06 AM
In the black and white picture it looks like the license plate reads NOK 284, couldn't the dmv run this number or have you tried this???
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 04:15 AM
NJ purges it's records after some time has passed (so I am told). 66Belv suggested the same thing in an e-mail to me earlier today.
Any NJDMV (NJMVC) people out there?
Posted By: RH41H
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 08:28 PM
The car had a 3.54:1 Dana 60 rear and 8.25 X 14 Dunlop Gold Seal tires at that time. This means the RPM was about 6800 at 148 mph. There may have been a little more speed left because, on another occassion, I had been to 115 mph in third gear which read 7000 on the Sun Tach. I got off the gas at the 148 mph because I was less than a mile away from the toll booth on the Garden State Parkway in Westwood, NJ. This event took place about 11 pm while setting a local record for a specific route from Nanuet, NY, to Ridgewood, NJ. With an elapsed time of 10 minutes and 35 seconds, I broke my previous record of 12 minutes flat set in the summer of 1965 in my red 1964 Fury four door sedan with a 426 wedge with a four speed. I sold this car when I replaced it with the four door Hemi. I was much younger when I did these things. When Chrysler stopped building REAL cars during the 1980's, I switched to Chevy's, but would enjoy having a '66 or '67 Hemi today. Relative to tires, during my second ownership of the car, 1972 to 1980, I ran 15 X 8 Mopar police rims with H60-15 Goodyear Polyglas tires and dog dish hub caps, but never exceeded 120 mph.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/20/10 09:11 PM
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 02:03 AM
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The VIN of this and every other 66&67 4door Hemi car is in the IBM Cards at Chrysler. Somehow if someone can get an opprotunity to look at all the IBM cards they are all in there. A search between March 22nd, and April 7th and the VIN to this 66 will appear. Could take a few days off of each end of that date range for paperwork travel and the car being delivered to dealer.
Deal is now that you tell them the VIN and prove ownership and they send the info to you. So to work it the other way would have to be somehow arranged.
I've often thought about this- but even if the VIN is determined, there's no means to prove ownership or the fact of it getting stolen: the police report is long gone (inquired to the local police 4 years ago).
Posted By: Jeremiah
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 02:58 AM
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The VIN of this and every other 66&67 4door Hemi car is in the IBM Cards at Chrysler. Somehow if someone can get an opprotunity to look at all the IBM cards they are all in there. A search between March 22nd, and April 7th and the VIN to this 66 will appear. Could take a few days off of each end of that date range for paperwork travel and the car being delivered to dealer.
Deal is now that you tell them the VIN and prove ownership and they send the info to you. So to work it the other way would have to be somehow arranged.
I've often thought about this- but even if the VIN is determined, there's no means to prove ownership or the fact of it getting stolen: the police report is long gone (inquired to the local police 4 years ago).
I take it the title is long gone? Where did the rest of the documentation go after the car was stolen?
Thanks to all that have shared information in this thread.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 03:51 AM
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I take it the title is long gone? Where did the rest of the documentation go after the car was stolen?
Thanks to all that have shared information in this thread.
I was 10 when the car was stolen- not sure where the title went. I recall the keys to the car remained around the household for at least 15 years after, and old registrations/insurance cards as well. Then one day the home office got an overdue cleaning and all was disposed of.....
Posted By: NANKET
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 03:59 AM
Now way for the IBM card to prove who owned it, just that they produced it. It would prove how many were built, all the options, and which dealer it was sent to. With that date range of this 66 Belvedere, it would be easier to find it only have to search about two weeks of build records. Has anyone ever sent in for an IBM card and had Chrysler tell you they couldn't find it? I have not heard of it happening yet.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 04:04 AM
But will they seach for one without proof of ownership, or proof it was stolen long ago?
Posted By: srt
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 05:46 AM
With the vin in hand (maybe insurance company help it could be found) a vin search could be done.
I've wondered why it's so difficult to find info on retired vin's. Wreckers paperwork with state dmv offices should be someplace?
Have you checked with the selling dealership (if they are around yet)?
Posted By: Bull1tt
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 06:22 AM
Around here, if an abandoned car, (which is what happenned to this Plymouth) is left on a street, it will be ticketed. Then after five days, towed to local towing/storage yard. If tickets and storage go unpaid, yard owner turns in paperwork to apply for a salvage certificate through DMV. Then this car can be legally parted out then junked. Once a salvage certificate has been issued, it can NEVER be legally titled/registered again.
I would say that the Plymouth went to the crusher, as nobody back then noticed the odd VIN on an old FOUR DOOR car! We got the story here straight from the last owner, car stolen and insurance claim paid, face it-she's went to junkyard/scrapyard once insurer paid for it. Same way it's done today. Odds of this car existing is impossible. Low probability of ever even knowing the VIN. A great story, but beating a dead horse...
Posted By: 66belvII
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 01:20 PM
In reference to #2)on EWJ post above #5742383 - I believe EWJ's father's friend's Hemi was a 1966 yellow 4 speed convertible w/ black top & interior. Don't know if it was a Belv. or Satellite. Remember seeing the car in Bergen county NJ. Don't know who the original owner was, but car was sold to Ricky Smith - believe he lived in River Edge.
Anyone know the whereabouts of that car?
Greg
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 03:09 PM
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In reference to #2)on EWJ post above #5742383 - I believe EWJ's father's friend's Hemi was a 1966 yellow 4 speed convertible w/ black top & interior. Don't know if it was a Belv. or Satellite. Remember seeing the car in Bergen county NJ. Don't know who the original owner was, but car was sold to Ricky Smith - believe he lived in River Edge.
Anyone know the whereabouts of that car?
Greg
Not to go too far off the 4 door Hemi topic- but here is the info on the Conv you mention according to RH21H:
"The Tom Godfrey car was delivered (Franklin Motors, Wyckoff) in late May, 1966. It was a Belvedere II convertible with the same equipment as my car (forest green metallic with citron gold interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker) except for the vinyl seats and did not have the wood grained steering wheel. I believe Godfrey still lives on Morris Avenue in Oradell, but there is no phone listing for him."
I've never heard of anything more on this car, but it was one of a handful (4??) 4 speed Belv II Hemi convs. Thanks for advising of the subsequent owner.
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/21/10 03:09 PM
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With the vin in hand (maybe insurance company help it could be found) a vin search could be done.
I've wondered why it's so difficult to find info on retired vin's. Wreckers paperwork with state dmv offices should be someplace?
Have you checked with the selling dealership (if they are around yet)?
Franklin Motors became Wyckoff Motors and has since closed: place is cleaned out....
Posted By: srt
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 01/22/10 01:51 AM
Last thought would be to check with the municipality to see if they have records from the day on who bailed out cars. If it was sold, likely it went cheap to a local yard, as who'd want a 4 dr 60's mopar in the 80's?
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 02/01/10 11:01 AM
I was reading an older thread on another forum and came across this interesting info!
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I sold for two dealerships in Milwaukee in 1964-1967. They Dodge City, which was on the corner of 35th and Wi Ave., and North Ave Chrysler Ply, at 29th and North Ave. Dodge City is long gone, North Ave Chrysler Ply is now known as Emil Ewald Chrysler Ply. Some years ago i tried to see if they had any records of prior year sales as in HEMI car, and was told all gone decades ago! And with loads of foresight all of my sales records which i kept, for each and every car i sold i had given them to a friend of mine in the business when i quit selling! Later i found out he had passed away and the stuff was all trashed! As in Aw Sh*t! I can tell you that we sold every Dodge & Plymouth screw up car that they produced. Cars that were ordered w/HEMI's, and delivered w/383, and visa/versa. As in HEMI 4 Doors both Dodge & Plymouth B bodies, including a Belvedere 1 Wagon which Galen says never happened. But thats what he gets paid for! We sold lots of 2dr post cars in 66 of both Dodge and Ply. When i said all cars produced i meant delivered to the Milwaukee zone!!
I regard to your question about four door HEMI cars i can remember 2 Dodges we had, one being a 440 Coronet 4 dr Auto, Powder Blue color, The other a red stripo 4 dr Red Auto. I Drove the 440 as a Demo for about 3 weeks and sold it. You know this taking it's toll of my memory as i'm into the geezer age (70).
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=1562
Posted By: EWJ
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 02/06/10 01:54 AM
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I was reading an older thread on another forum and came across this interesting info!
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I sold for two dealerships in Milwaukee in 1964-1967. They Dodge City, which was on the corner of 35th and Wi Ave., and North Ave Chrysler Ply, at 29th and North Ave. Dodge City is long gone, North Ave Chrysler Ply is now known as Emil Ewald Chrysler Ply. Some years ago i tried to see if they had any records of prior year sales as in HEMI car, and was told all gone decades ago! And with loads of foresight all of my sales records which i kept, for each and every car i sold i had given them to a friend of mine in the business when i quit selling! Later i found out he had passed away and the stuff was all trashed! As in Aw Sh*t! I can tell you that we sold every Dodge & Plymouth screw up car that they produced. Cars that were ordered w/HEMI's, and delivered w/383, and visa/versa. As in HEMI 4 Doors both Dodge & Plymouth B bodies, including a Belvedere 1 Wagon which Galen says never happened. But thats what he gets paid for! We sold lots of 2dr post cars in 66 of both Dodge and Ply. When i said all cars produced i meant delivered to the Milwaukee zone!!
I regard to your question about four door HEMI cars i can remember 2 Dodges we had, one being a 440 Coronet 4 dr Auto, Powder Blue color, The other a red stripo 4 dr Red Auto. I Drove the 440 as a Demo for about 3 weeks and sold it. You know this taking it's toll of my memory as i'm into the geezer age (70).
http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=1562
Thanks for this info! Very cool!
Posted By: Race&Resto
Re: 66-67 Dodge & Plymouth, 4-door Hemi cars. - 02/07/10 01:00 PM
Yeah I guess the Hemi production figure's for the Hemi 4-door's have almost doubled since this thread started, lol. And I'm sure that there was probably a few more of these things that were actually built that nobody even knows about that are now long gone. So everyone knows now to "never say never" when it comes to any Chrysler built odd-ball products!
You know you guys should all get together and pool you're information and contact Mopar Action to do a feature story, along with all of the photo's you've got on that green 66 Hemi Belvedere 4-door since they're close and would be familiar with that area. Hell maybe it will jog someone's memory who reads it, and they might remember something about the car, or a street-race, or some other information about it, it's worth a shot! I can see the title in Mopar Action's magazine now, "Terror on the Turn-Pike".
Thank you guys for that 