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engine painting

Posted By: Anonymous

engine painting - 01/21/07 02:07 PM

i know this is a subject that has been covered numerous times, but i've never found a step by step explanation of how to get "professional results". all the engines i've painted in the past were done with a rattle can, but this time i want to do it with long term good looks in mind. this car will be driven regularly, but will be as pampered as is possible while enjoying it. take me step by step from a bare hot tanked block to the shining result....be gentle, i'm a virgin!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/21/07 02:36 PM

Por-15.
http://www.por15.com/BEngine-Enamels-B?sc=2&category=1
They have directions with their product.
Follow them!
I stripped my engine, wire wheeled (Various size and types needed) Cleaned it with acitone. Masked. Applied their base coating. There is a time you must follow between base and color coat. Sprayed their color top coat. Let dry for a couple of weeks. By the way, it NEVER peeled, bubbled or chipped, especially around the exhaust ports. Great product if done as directed.
I used a weber paint srayer from Home Depot.
Worked. But you can brush it on too, I just wanted a smoother more finished look.
Posted By: Neil

Re: engine painting - 01/21/07 05:03 PM

http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/21/07 11:53 PM

thanks for the info guys.....i can do this!
Posted By: 69rrvert

Re: engine painting - 01/22/07 02:15 AM

I soaked mine down with oven cleaner and let it sit overnight. Useda power washer to wash it off and then went over everything with a wire wheel. Sprayed everything down with brake cleaner and primed it used a good quality self etching primer. I use Dupont Imron paint to paint the engine. I also blocked off the heat crossover in the intake so it would not burn the paint. That was almost a year ago and it still looks like new today. Thanks - 69rrvert




10 Year old Dupont Imron also in the red Charger:
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/22/07 08:54 PM

Quote:

I soaked mine down with oven cleaner and let it sit overnight. Useda power washer to wash it off and then went over everything with a wire wheel. Sprayed everything down with brake cleaner and primed it used a good quality self etching primer. I use Dupont Imron paint to paint the engine. I also blocked off the heat crossover in the intake so it would not burn the paint. That was almost a year ago and it still looks like new today. Thanks - 69rrvert so does this car get driven a good bit? i'm just wondering what kind of running hours you have on the engine...and by the way, how exactly would a man go about blocking off the crossover safely?



10 Year old Dupont Imron also in the red Charger:


Posted By: JohnRR

Re: engine painting - 01/22/07 09:39 PM

Quote:

and by the way, how exactly would a man go about blocking off the crossover safely?






by purchasing a valley tray with the passages blocked off .
Posted By: Challenger

Re: engine painting - 01/23/07 12:17 AM

What orange is that? Cause the paint that I have from Mopar (Street Hemi orange and Race Hemi orange) isnt that bright. I have a 440 that I want to paint but what brand, kind of orange should it be? THANKS!
Posted By: 72blubird

Re: engine painting - 01/23/07 03:13 AM

69rrvert what did you use on your exhaust manifolds.

Great job by the way on the engine.
Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: engine painting - 01/23/07 07:08 PM

i used brake-klean and wire brush to clean it..


then it got sprayed with epoxy primer


then it got sprayed with a single stage high solids urathane.


from this mess..





to this..




to primer




to paint..




aaahh. much better..

Posted By: Devil

Re: engine painting - 01/23/07 09:29 PM

I didn't do a base/paint. I did a spray can one, and it came out great though. I used the plasti-cote Hemi orange, and I believe it looks great. I cleaned that thing 7 ways from Sunday. First engine degreaser, then mineral spirits, then brake clean. Then two or three coats of Hemi Orange.



Ryan
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/24/07 04:13 AM

i have always built my own engines and painted them with rattle can paint, and there's no doubt you get what you pay for with that stuff just like anything else. the higher end spray bombs definitely cover better, look better and last longer, but still not good enough. i want something with the durability of the original, and the POR 15 engine kit is looking pretty good to me at this point. i used to just thrash my cars like they were terrorists, but this time i'm gonna try to be cool and treat one with some respect, and i want it to make me proud when i open the hood instead of only when i gouge the pedal!
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: engine painting - 01/24/07 02:19 PM

ok - this is THE best way i have found to do it... it lasted thru a fire ( yes ) and any solvents will not touch it

you can even drop a wrench on it and it will not chip - i dented the valley pan and the paint didnt budge...

CLEAN with starting fluid to remove all leftover oils

a paint kit from Unusual automotive solutions works great for covering all the holes... ( under 20 bux)



NEXT - use 2 coats of epoxy primer.... anyone who tells you etching primer is outdated... use them side by side and you will se a difference... NO DOUBT






NEXT - 2 coats of U-TECH 3.8 hi solids polyurethane....

heres some features... its for fleet trucks...




Product Features:

- Hiding Power
- Very Flexible
- High Gloss
- Easy-To-Spray
- Fast Cure
- Long Term Durability

heres the web page
http://www.sikkens.net/default.asp?sid=65395&pid=452

2 coats of that in hemi orange and you'll never have to mess with painting your motor again... OR worring if its gonna peel...



you can try the others...BUT i just did my last motor with bill hirsch paint... it lifted when gas hit it... the 3.8 will NOT MOVE!

i did 3 motors like this in the last couple years... and it has really surprised me..

take my word for it... this is the best way to do it... my cuda had an electrical fire and it just cleaned off with brake cleaner, and i scraped the melted plastic off the block and the paint stayed... i dont know how else to tell you.




it was FINE after this....^^^^^^
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/25/07 01:16 AM

that's a heckuva testimony DJV....it sold me! i want ultimate durability because of my interests being more in driving and less in detailing, but i want it to look nice in spite of my slackness. i'm gonna price this stuff and see if i need another mortgage to paint my engine....thanks!
Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: engine painting - 01/25/07 08:14 PM

Quote:

that's a heckuva testimony DJV....it sold me! i want ultimate durability because of my interests being more in driving and less in detailing, but i want it to look nice in spite of my slackness. i'm gonna price this stuff and see if i need another mortgage to paint my engine....thanks!




it is definatley tough... djv is the one that painted my motor... i spilled gas on it quite a few time when messing with jetting and it didn't touch the paint. anti freeze also... it will get dirty and some oil on it from driving and i wash it with car soap and a sponge and it come up like the day it was sprayed... that paint is some good stuff... i don't remember it being real expensive either... what color are you doing it?
Posted By: 383man

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 01:40 AM

Wow you guys have some great looking engines. Nothing like lifting the hood and feeling good about it. Mine are just rattle can paint jobs but I try to get a few coats on and keep it looking nice. But I like some of the ideas you all have done. I may go a little further the next time and use some exspensive paint. Ron

Posted By: AdamR

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 02:24 AM

I used the POR15 kit.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 03:39 AM

i want to get as close as possible to the factory orange........i would hope that somebody at the paint store could help me out with the right code to get the right color?????? i hadn't thought a whole lot about that, but i gues i'd better figure that out now huh?......EV2????
Posted By: Neil

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 04:43 AM

EV2 is the paint for the outside of the car. It's not the same shade as hemi orange engine paint + EV2 has metallic in it to boot.

I painted my 400 pickup engine with PPG single stage. The paint store did not have the paint code for the gm orange paint (or any other engine paint for that matter). They did offer to mix up a batch of whatever I wanted if I provided a sample to go off of. I simply bought a can of Duplicolor engine enamel for them to use as a reference. Talk to your paint supplier and see if they can do the same thing.
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 12:34 PM

i have the paint code at home from my can... its the engine color, and matches way better then the mopar rattle can stuff, but i hear the resto stuff is closer looking


as far as pprice for the setup i used, starting from scratch i spent about 100 bux but was able to do 3 engines with the paint and still had epoy primer leftover for a 4th....

2 quarts of expoy primer ( 1:1 )
1 PINT of u-tech 3.8
1 quart of activator
somewhere in the range of 100 bux IIRC....

and i got the paint code from the tech archives here!
Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 12:41 PM

if your looking for street hemi orange this is what we used... except for how shinny it is the color looks darn close to the original paint we compared it to...

this is the code we used.

dupont code 5067U



gotta watch some of the street hemi paints like the mopar performance are really pale compared to the original stuff...

look at my valve covers and intake thats mopar spray paint... its way off.



Posted By: plymouthfan

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 02:40 PM

I really REALLY need to paint my engine.
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 03:45 PM

if your pullin it out... lemme know!
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 04:01 PM

I can appreciate the quality and durability of what some of you have done but I used plastikote engine enamel for the following reasons;

- most of these high quality spray booth type jobs look much different (better, but different) than factory. Generally way smoother and shinier.

- The plastikote seems like a very good color match. Some of the spraybooth jobs look way off.

- I like to putter around restoring little pces here and there. With the spray bombs, I can paint an oil pan or the valve covers and paint the rest or any other pces later.

- While the plasticote could scratch or get damaged by gasoline or solvents, it's also very easy to simply touch up again.

- far more convenient; no loading up the engine and taking it to the body shop and back.

- If I make changes (water pump, T-stat housing, valve covers or whatever) it's very easy to spray bomb and install. Much less hassle.

- I've used Plasticote engine enamel on every engine I've done in the last 20years and have been pleased with the product. In fact, I don't ever recall having any of it peel off or get damaged from gasoline.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that this is the way to go, but rather explain why I (and perhaps some others) chose to go this route.


Dave
Posted By: abodyjoe

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 04:54 PM

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- far more convenient; no loading up the engine and taking it to the body shop and back.





who is taking them to a body shop?? djv did mine in his garage... i had to replace the water pump and djv just sprayed it for me. no big deal... took maybe 30 to 40 minutes to set up spray and clean up... not a big deal...
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 06:39 PM

what he said...

mostly i either do them outside...

or if its too cold or dark out i put plastic up...

and get my dad to clean his motor up with wax and grease remover...lol

Posted By: DPelletier

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 07:01 PM

Quote:

Quote:

- far more convenient; no loading up the engine and taking it to the body shop and back.





who is taking them to a body shop?? djv did mine in his garage... i had to replace the water pump and djv just sprayed it for me. no big deal... took maybe 30 to 40 minutes to set up spray and clean up... not a big deal...



Those were MY reasons. *I* would have to take it to the bodyshop; no compressor, no spray gun, and no time and/or desire to set up a makeshift booth.

Again, I didn't post to , I just wanted to provide my rationale for going the other route. I figured it may help people with thier decision making process to weigh the pros and cons.

It's all good.

Dave
Posted By: jrwoodjoe

Re: engine painting - 01/26/07 07:07 PM

Thanks for your post Dave, I knew where you were coming from. DJV and ABodyJoe's method is great and the finished product is wonderful...but not everyone has the things, tools, space etc. necessary to do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/27/07 02:55 AM

as i said before, i have been building and painting my own engines since 1983 (was i ever really 17?) and i have only ever had one engine paint job that really really disappointed me, and it was with mopar brand engine orange that i bought from year one (no reflection on year one). that stuff sucked liked a hoover! it didn't cover well, the color was inconsistent from can to can, and it didn't hold up to any of the chemicals that the paint manufacturer knew #@$% well it was gonna be subjected to from the word go! i just wanted to try to find something more durable this time around. it wasn't a big deal back in my street romping days when i blew the head gaskets outta my 340 twice a year, but i'm too old for that crap nowadays. i'm hoping this engine build will last for several years to come before i have to turn bolts on it again....and by the way, i do have what's necessary to do the job without spray bombs, so i'm gonna give it whirl!
Posted By: moparmojo

Re: engine painting - 01/28/07 05:41 AM

good info.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: engine painting - 01/28/07 02:26 PM

this may be considered a dumb question, but what is called "street hemi orange" is the same color that is on the 440 isn't it? i'm no show judge or color expert, but all the stock orange engines i've seen appear to be the same color to me....am i right?
Posted By: Neil

Re: engine painting - 01/28/07 07:39 PM

Yup, if your 440 is orange then street hemi orange is the color you want.
Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: engine painting - 01/29/07 12:37 PM

possible tech archive material???

since this comes up every few months!
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