Posted By: TonyS451
Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/29/05 03:33 PM
First, does anyone have any track/power results in going from one to the other?? Second, what is the height difference between the two?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Questions going from M1 to Victor...
Posted By: Dartman928
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/29/05 03:38 PM
Tony the wagon is fast enough 
Be careful of the racing gremlins next thing you know you will be putting a cage in it and putting some 15" wide tires under it
Be careful of the racing gremlins next thing you know you will be putting a cage in it and putting some 15" wide tires under it
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/29/05 10:51 PM
When the 440 Victor first came out, I did a same day, back to back test changing nothing but the manifold. I had a single plane M-1 with a 1" spacer and swapped it for the Victor with no spacer. I drop almost .200 in et and pick up almost 2 mph. Every car will be different though.
Posted By: mopar65
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 03:49 AM
i am going to be trying a 440 victor againts my m1-4500 intake.that is if i can get a good one from summit.the frist one i got had some casting flaws. on the out side that i did not care for.tonys451 you have a stroker low deck though right? so i do not know if my 440 shoot out will work for you.allso there was a post awhile back about porting the 440 victor for more power.can some body tell me were they need ported. and does anybody have any pixs.tony sorry if i hijacked your post. and good luck on your car.mopar65 
Posted By: TonyS451
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 05:24 AM
Rob - I'm trying, but whats a little old intake gonna do anyhow??? 
Greg - Do you recall the height difference between the two? I would be looking the 383/400 intake. BTW, 2 tenths and 2 mph is a pretty awesome improvement!
Mopar65 - I remember reading about Victor intake mods as well... It's been a while though. Good luck with your swap and let us know how it works for you.
Greg - Do you recall the height difference between the two? I would be looking the 383/400 intake. BTW, 2 tenths and 2 mph is a pretty awesome improvement!
Mopar65 - I remember reading about Victor intake mods as well... It's been a while though. Good luck with your swap and let us know how it works for you.
Posted By: joedust451
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 05:57 AM
Quote:
I drop almost .200 in et and pick up almost 2 mph.
Greg, was that 2 tenths or 2 haundredths?
Posted By: GomangoCuda
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 06:04 AM
Quote:
there was a post awhile back about porting the 440 victor for more power.can some body tell me were they need ported.
If you look down in the plenum there is a bulge in all four corners. They are grinding those out and blending that part of the plenum into the roof of the runners. There were some good pics posted here a few months ago. Maybe that person will repost them. If they don't show up soon I'll find them and put them up.
Posted By: JIM500
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 10:21 AM
I am going to be running a victor on a 500 with a roller and eddys.. I am not trying to steal the thread but I sure would like to see those pics too!! Thanks, Jim
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 01:35 PM
.200 is two tenths.
Posted By: joedust451
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 04:25 PM
2 tenths and almost 2 mph i think it would be worth switching.
Posted By: RemCharger
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 06/30/05 04:37 PM
I tried doing a search on that post and couldn't find it. but yea it's pretty simple just blend the wings out of the corners. Mine was a pretty gross casting too.
Posted By: GomangoCuda
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 05:04 AM
I found pics from 2 different threads, about 10 months apart. I don't know who posted these but they almost look like they could be pics of the same intake.
Feb 2004 - Before.
Feb 2004 - After.
Dec 2004 - Before.
Dec 2004 - After.
Feb 2004 - Before.
Feb 2004 - After.
Dec 2004 - Before.
Dec 2004 - After.
Posted By: jamesc
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 05:28 AM
it would be nice to know what if any difference the clean up made, sometimes what you think should work doesn't.
Posted By: mopar65
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 07:04 AM
gomangocuda thanks for the pixs. those are what i need to see.thanks. 
i found a moparts member to port the victor for me.but he can not do it untill the end of july. so i might throw the victor on. out of the box and see how it does.allso i bought 2 inch moroso carburetor adapter. so i can run my dominator on the victor.on the adapter the inside is as cast. should i smooth the inside or leave it like it is?
i plan on going to the track in about two weeks.
jamesc if i remember right on the last post.it was said after they ported the victor intake. it was worth 10-15 horsepower.but i am probly wrong though.mopoar65
i found a moparts member to port the victor for me.but he can not do it untill the end of july. so i might throw the victor on. out of the box and see how it does.allso i bought 2 inch moroso carburetor adapter. so i can run my dominator on the victor.on the adapter the inside is as cast. should i smooth the inside or leave it like it is?i plan on going to the track in about two weeks.
jamesc if i remember right on the last post.it was said after they ported the victor intake. it was worth 10-15 horsepower.but i am probly wrong though.mopoar65
Posted By: 440Jim
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 11:52 AM
Quote:The height of the MP M1 low deck intake was in the Tech Archives the last time I looked, and Edelbrock has the height of all their manifolds in their catalog/website.
Second, what is the height difference between the two?
BB Intakes Pic Album (Tech Archive)
Edelbrock BB Chrysler Intakes
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 04:14 PM
This is my Victor with Dominator adapter. The black-lined areas will be reduced.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 04:15 PM
Different Angle
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 06:40 PM
Quote:
This is my Victor with Dominator adapter. The black-lined areas will be reduced.
Bob, what type of gain do you expect to see going to the victor with your combo?
Posted By: TonyS451
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 08:04 PM
Thanks everyone for the input, and thanks 440Jim for the measurements. I measured the top of my aircleaner last night and found just over 1/2" clearance with a play-dough test. According to the dimensions of both intakes, there is a height difference of 1 1/8". I'm running a drop base aircleaner and short 2 1/2" element as it is, so looks like I'm sticking with my M1 for now. 
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/01/05 09:35 PM
Your car would look great with a SS scoop on it!
The only reason the scoop is on my car is so the manifold fits.
The only reason the scoop is on my car is so the manifold fits.
Posted By: TonyS451
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/02/05 02:29 PM
Greg - I may have to work my intake swap around the long awaited trip to the body shop! Your car looks awesome! Love the low profile scoop...nicely done.
Posted By: cudadon
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/02/05 05:10 PM
Tony, I switched and the Victor was I think 5/8 to 3/4" taller. I don't think it was an inch. I had to redo the foam seal on my air pan, but I don't think it was that much. The Victor is taller and straighter runners, I have had a hard time getting good idle quality like I had on the M1. Maybe my engine is too mild for what is probably better suited to higher rpms (max HP @ 6600) .600 flat tappet, stg. 6 mild port, 11.4 comp. Anybody else have idle trouble with the Victor? I can't give you performance change cause I also backhalved the car over winter.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/02/05 07:11 PM
My car idles just fine once it's warmed up. I spent a good amount of time tuning the carb, including chassis dyno time.
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you can find engine specs here:Bigblockscamp.com
Posted By: cudadon
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/03/05 02:32 PM
Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don
Posted By: 70rtshaker
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/03/05 03:43 PM
Wouldnt an Edelbrock Performer RPM be better for that heavy car?
Posted By: 71TA
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 03:19 PM
Quote:
Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don
My (470") with Victor chugs a bit until warmmed up. After hot it runs great.
Posted By: BradH
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 07:09 PM
Quote:
it would be nice to know what if any difference the clean up made...
Those were my intakes (I had both an unmodified Victor and the one on which I did the plenum mods) and the difference when dyno tested on Dwayne Porter's dyno was approx. 10 HP in favor of the modified piece.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 08:38 PM
Did a back to back test last fall between M1 Dominator and Victor with 4150 base and an adapter. Did two baselines then made the switch.
Car was ( at that time) 71 Cuda,440,3100# and saw approx .070 difference ( better with Victor). I cant say that the Victor or the adapter made the difference. Both these intakes were bone stock untouched. I did think the Victor ran smoother however, but didnt equate to any giant ET. I suspect the extra velocity and plenum area made the biggest difference.
Car was ( at that time) 71 Cuda,440,3100# and saw approx .070 difference ( better with Victor). I cant say that the Victor or the adapter made the difference. Both these intakes were bone stock untouched. I did think the Victor ran smoother however, but didnt equate to any giant ET. I suspect the extra velocity and plenum area made the biggest difference.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 09:27 PM
Quote:
Gregg, mine gets better when it warms also. Until it warms what does yours do? What carb and tuning did you do? Thanks, Don
When it's cold, it acts like a cold engine with no choke, no big deal. I had to re-jet, reduce the main air bleed size, reduce the idle feed restriction size, and open the power valve channel restrictions. Doing any of this without testing the A/F ratio is like shooting in the dark.
Posted By: 340king
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 11:04 PM
Typically, the Edelbrock intakes are very conservatively ported out of the box. They leave plenty of meat in the port to do your matching with. As such, they do not run steller times out of the box and pick up pretty good with a port match. I assumed that you did yours without any port matching. That could account for the smaller than anticipated gain.
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines
Re: Questions going from M1 to Victor... - 07/22/05 11:19 PM
Yes I realize that. Thats why I mentioned they were stock untouched. This way it was a true unbiased comparison. I also believe that I could have made a difference with a port match, but I was only comparing them in their "as is" states.
We knew we'd be changing engines in that car, but I will do a port match on it in the next car and document the change.
We knew we'd be changing engines in that car, but I will do a port match on it in the next car and document the change.