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2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics!

Posted By: Forwardlook

2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 05:56 PM

I have been a bit lazy to start this thread as it is quite a bit of work but I got finally about 1000 photos uploaded...that's like halfway lol. Might be too much for some to go through but I wanted to share as much as possible of the cool stuff I got to see this summer. Still, there is a lot of photos I had to leave out too.

I also want to give everybody who made the trip a great experience a big thank you, especially RhinoDart and his wife who kindly offered a place to stay while in Chicago. The stay actually got to be longer than planned as we didn't have the chance to pick up my New Yorker from Kansas according to the original schedule. But it was all good.

Bear with me, this thread will take days or even weeks to complete. Here's a list of the events I will post pics of;

Chryslers at Carlisle, PA
MoPar Hall of Fame, Harrisburg, PA
Bosak Chrysler Dodge Jeep Show, Merrillville, IN
Belvidere MoPar Happening, IL
Meltdown Drags, Byron, IL
Buick Gallery and Research Center, Flint, MI
The Sloan Museum, Flint, MI
Cruise/shows in Chelsea and Jackson, MI
MoPars at the Red Barns and Gilmore Car Museum, Hickory Corners, MI
R.E. Olds Museum, Lansing, MI
Michigan Historical Museum, Lansing, MI
North Oakland MoPar Club swap & meet at Packard Proving Grounds, Shelby Twp, MI
Concours d'Elegance of America at St Johns, Plymouth, MI
GM Heritage Center, Sterling Heights, MI
Dodge Viper plant tour, Detroit, MI (sorry, to me it is always a Dodge)
MoPar Nationals, Hebron, OH
Back to the Bricks, Flint, MI
Woodward Dream Cruise, Detroit, MI

There are a few other treats as well. There was a few additional events I planned to see but maybe next year. I did pretty well considering that I was low bucking the whole thing. It really helps when you can share room and fuel costs with someone while on the road too as I usually travel alone. I really need to get to see more stuff in Detroit, time simply ran out for several reasons. But all in all, it was a great trip! Hope you enjoy the pics!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 06:23 PM

Jim picked me up at the Chicago O'Hare and then we only had to load up before heading towards the Chryslers at Carlisle show which I hadn't seen before. Here we are picking up some valuables at the RhinoDart HQ. As odd as it may seem, I didn't see any broken Dodge truck transmissions...



Southbound towards the Windy City! Only a few more miles to Carlisle, lol. But I am again in America and even all the foreign cars in Chicago will not bring my spirits down!



Oh yeah, a few snores later and we are in the middle of the action! But how on earth do you guys cope with the humid heat??? Dang...







Original 400 truck...mmmm



Vehicles were still getting parked in the building, nice to have some closed hoods...

















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 06:38 PM

Meanwhile outside...when did you see a KaryVan this nice????





If I would have deep pockets I would have bought most of this stuff....





I actually have one of these in smaller table lamp version...





Dudes are cool;





Mmmm...dog dishes on a black 68 Charger...very sharp looking car!



Not too many Hot Rods with Long Rams...



Goodies wherever you go;







Only a bit over 600 miles on this one...



One of the coolest things at Carlisle;

Posted By: billyfury

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 06:46 PM

I'm looking forward to the thread Hans! Yea, for closed hood pics, I'm with you on that one!

billyfury 70-71 Fury collector
www.sportfurygt.com
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 06:53 PM

1960 Plymouth Fury with the Golden Commando engine;









More rare than a Max Wedge? What a beautiful car!















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 07:11 PM

Quote:

I'm looking forward to the thread Hans! Yea, for closed hood pics, I'm with you on that one!

billyfury 70-71 Fury collector
www.sportfurygt.com




Thanks Billy, next time out I will come to see you again! Dang, to see all the cool stuff it seems that I have to live forever and print more money than the Federal Reserve....
Posted By: Forwardlook

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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 07:33 PM

The survivor tent isn't the best place to take pics...we'll come back for more later...











This Canadian hauler was one of my Carlisle favorites!





The Petty folks travel in style;





This tent seemed to have so much good stuff for a reasonable price that a lot ended up in inside trades. But if you know these guys they might throw you adult beverages free of charge and even a few insults with the deal lol.










Here's some friendly looking fellows? Maybe they want to sell you something?

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 07:50 PM

I need more stuff....


















I wanted this in the worst way....



Not to mention this...







Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 07:53 PM

"Maybe" a few insults?? I think an insult is a guarantee.

Nice pics so far Hans. I really like looking at stuff that happens in my own country since I'm too busy to go out and see it for myself.
Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 07:55 PM

Hans,all those pics are great
Keep them coming
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 08:05 PM

A pretty good selection of very nice Forward Look cars was present;

















































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 08:42 PM

Thanks Eric and Bob! Someone here once said that I need to go out more so I did at least for a while...

This one is for jsmart;
























This 73 Newport was gorgeous, shag carpet and all;





















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Posted By: bigdad

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 09:38 PM

Awesome pics

Thanks for posting and I hope you have more !!


Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 09:48 PM

I was really looking forward to the Max Wedge display and I wasn't disappointed! Even the dealership building in itself is so cool...

























Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 10:03 PM

Thanks bigdad, no worries, we haven't even touched the surface yet!





























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I had the hots for this one...





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I think there was a familiar famous face driving this one...











A few from the survivor tent...























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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 11:10 PM

The Mopar Hall of Fame event was in the evening at the Camp Hill Radisson. I thought that it might be pretty cool but I had no idea how cool! Totally mind blowing! This years inductees were the following;

The Golden Commandos Club
Buddy Baker
Roger Lindamood
Bud Faubel
Arlen Vanke
Don Garlits
Bill "Maverick" Golden
William M. Brownlie (father of the first three generations of Chargers and designer of many top of the line models)
Christine - movie car
And a special Lifetime Achievement Award wet to
Tom Hoover

Some of the speeches were really mind blowing and it seems that even if these people are almost like Gods to the average Mopar enthusiast they are really humble people who really appreciate being honored in this way. Truly one of the best evenings of my life. There is a dvd available from this event and I would urge anyone interested in Chrysler history to buy it.

http://moparhalloffame.com/

Arnie Cunningham seemed to be in a hurry to the event...yes, that is one of the real movie cars.





























Bud Faubel is a true showman;



Tom Hoover was recovering from some health issues, glad he is doing better. I wish everything he has seen and done at Chrysler could come out as a book...



Get the dvd!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 11:32 PM















Some of the "Christine" actors were present and for a fee you could have your picture taken with the movie car...hmmmmm..







Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here but still a few from the survivor tent...and had to take a last look at the Max Wedges..and get an autographed poster from Mr Lindmood...

















It was a good thing to go back as I noticed this big folder about one of my favorite cars, familiar from magazines so many years ago;













These are the guys to talk to about manual transmission needs;







Jim found me a super deal on C-body Road Wheels. Time to load up and head towards new adventures!

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/03/13 11:56 PM

It's always nice to meet folks on the road who know what they are talking about;





Now, that ugly french thing moves along fine while on an American truck but by itself...not so much.





Somebody waits for some paint to appear...



You know you are in a civilized country when there is a pump for race gas;



Love the covered bridges;



Here's a hauler for someone;



Helped Jim to install a rebuilt TF in a customer car;



Believe it or not, that is original paint! 383 with Edelbrock heads, very nice ride!



Ultimate A-body for the A-body guru;



Another Dart under restoration;





Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 12:36 AM

Bosak Dodge Chrysler Jeep in Merrillville, IN (bosakmotor.com) had a car show which was perfect as we were going to pick up a car to transport it for the coming Belvidere Mopar Happening. But I had some suggestions for stops on the way. I don't know about you guys but I have always wondered if the building where Sun tachs were designed and built is still standing? The address is clearly printed on the tachs, 6323 Avondale, Chicago. Turns out that the building is fine and to prove how small the world is Jim has actually worked in the very same building after Sun moved out. Sun was bought by Snap-On in the early 90:s and the rights to manufacture the vintage style tachs were sold to Sunpro/Actron. Here's how the facility looks today;









Another interesting stop would be the former Nichels Engineering building in Indiana. Here's a good read of the history of the man and the company;

http://www.legendsofnascar.com/Ray_Nichels.htm

Serious history has been made on this site;





That would be me holding a photo (sorry about the glare) of the 99 Dow Chemicals Dodge Daytona driven by Charlie Glotzbach and built by Nichels Engineering;



Back in the day;



Posted By: Devil

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 04:35 AM

I drive past here every single day on my way to and from work. I had no idea.



Ryan
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 05:15 AM

Yep, I worked there as an instructor in 1986 when it was a school called The Center for Robotics Technology. Unfortunately they were not prepared very well and I went on to head-up the Robotics/Automated Manufacturing school at Triton College. Man, that seems like another lifetime ago, I wish I would have kept working in that field but most of it went overseas by the early 90's.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 06:23 PM

Yeah, sometimes cool history is just in front of us and we have no idea! That is why I really enjoy driving around with some automotive/architectural history buff to tell me about all the interesting things I'd miss otherwise. No matter how much you research nothing beats having a local guru showing you around.

Well, to the Bosak show. There was a bunch of old and new MoPar vehicles around and also some tasty treats were offered! Much appreciated!























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This beast we took to the Belvidere show...











Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 06:48 PM

Some reloading before hitting the road towards the Belvidere Mopar Happening!



A pleasant drive through the northern Illinois farmlands;



Greeting us at the gate were two Belvidere police cars, the Dart was the first of its kind, donated to the Belvidere PD by Chrysler;







This 72 Demon created quite a bit of excitement in some circles;







I seemed to be the only guy excited about this 67 New Yorker;





Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 07:04 PM

I really wanted to see the Meltdown Drags at the close by Byron track and John (slax69gts) and his son offered me a ride! Thanks guys! This event is only for old style cars, no billet or modern stuff and the cut off year is 1973 if I remember correctly. Not a great number of Mopars but still a super day with an insane amount of neat old stuff! And there would be plenty of time for Mopar stuff in the evening and on Sunday!

The ride there is quite scenic and as a bonus we passed the Chrysler Belvidere plant!

























Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 07:21 PM

Here's me trying to use the new video camera. Some starting line footage;

http://youtu.be/C2-vJUAa6ho































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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 08:25 PM

After the fun and nostalgic mayhem at the drags we got back to the Belvidere show just in time for the dealer cruise!

















First stop was Jack Wolf Dodge Chrysler Jeep;



















Runnin' on fumes...I got worried about Jim a bit here because he decided to wash the Ute? What's up with that?

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 08:42 PM

The other dealer stop was Anderson Dodge Chrysler Jeep;























These guys may look harmless but they mean business!

http://youtu.be/1VKIYaXX1Io
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 10:59 PM

The evening was still young and since the Poplar Grove Wheels and Wings Museum hosted a show with farm tractors as the main attraction we decided to check it out. Probably the most impressive thing was the Waukesha Hangar that was saved from demolition and moved to the site from Wisconsin. Here's some details;

http://www.poplargrovewingsandwheels.com...mp;Type=B_BASIC

Sadly that building was closed...but it is a beauty;



This is the guy in front of the museum;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elrey_Borge_Jeppesen







Very interesting prefabricated 1930:s automotive service building;











Some ice cream and back to the show field for some bench racing...

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/04/13 11:31 PM

I liked this...wasn't expensive either...





Anybody know this guy? He had some items I might be interested in...





Mr Norm was once again satisfying the needs of the buying public;









Here's so much class that the Benz people of today will never be even able to understand;









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Posted By: 1970A13

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 01:11 AM

Hans,great pics,i thought the Finland gov. took the pics from you,i see you have a pic of my kit car it has 1847 miles on it now and time to put it away for the year.Hope to see you at the muscle car show at the end of the month!
Posted By: bigdad

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 01:31 AM

Great pics

I know where there is one of these

Its pretty nice ( non-running)

Posted By: Ruppman

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 02:47 AM

Great pics Hans, real nice meeting you at Belvedere. Hope you can get over here again soon!

Mark
Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 03:22 AM

Maybe Roy will see this thread and feel guilty for buying the ugly, brown GSS and sell that pile to me.

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 06:45 AM










Got a few good deals at the swap in addition to the usual inside trading;




King size hand made ice cream....mmmmmm



Show is over, time to load up and drive towards Chicago;



Cool to see an old style dealer sign...





The Dart had experienced some carb trouble so we picked it up too;

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 06:52 AM

Thanks for the kind words guys, was nice meeting you too! Maybe I should put more descriptions with the pics? But I have to admit that I fell asleep while posting so the alert level was going down fast
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 07:41 PM

Volo Auto Museum ( www.volocars.com )has also a huge antique mall where people can leave their stuff for sale. I was sure that there would be something interesting.



The place is huge, there is stuff in several buildings and one of them has four floors.



Want to do a 1950:s kitchen with mint appliances? You'll find that here;



Once I saw this 1947 Sun Tester complete with a cart and the instruction manual I had to contact my friend in Finland who is building a traditional Hot Rod with vintage speed parts. Yup, it is on its way over now.



Once again to Bosak, we had to return the Challenger.



This guy was cruisin in style. I didn't see a gearshift extension but it was probably there as the fellow had taken the Peterbilt position inside the cab.







Utility beds don't exist in Europe so I always get a kick out of them...doesn't hurt to have a nice chassie either...





A black fellow cruised in with this conversion van. It was insanely clean, even the salespeople came out to look. Vogues too.





Here's what the Packard plant in Detroit should be. The Stutz Business Center in Indianapolis. Stunning. I have to get to see this one up close one day... http://www.thestutz.com/





We moved Jim's ramp truck from the dealer to a diesel shop.



Cool Harley-Davidson dealership looked like a riverboat;







We picked up this 426 Wedge car for a transport to the new owner. Very neat project!





Got to meet AeroMonte and he kindly showed us some of the cool stuff he has;





I could use quite a few parts from this car for my Nebraska State Patrol Fury but it is really too clean to part out...



Passing St Louis and the Gateway Arch designed by a Finn, Eero Saarinen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eero_Saarinen




Another thing related to Finland was this Futuro house beside the road. They have become a bit of a cult item in some circles.

http://www.futurohouse.net/photos.htm

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/05/13 08:24 PM

I needed to be in Detroit the coming weekend and since Jim had things to attend it worked perfectly. We still hadn't picked up my NY from Kansas so I dropped Jim off in downtown Chicago and continued towards Flint in the V10 truck. Thanks man!



This one was a bit far from home...



BigBlockHead from Finland studies at Kettering in Flint so I took him to the weekend activities in lower Michigan and he showed me the local stuff in Flint. Good deal. No furrin cars for us. He drives a Cadillac but wants a C-body...



BBH does some volunteer work at the Buick Gallery and Research Center so that was our first stop.

http://www.sloanlongway.org/buick-gallery



During my visit they had a Corvette display going.



There was some neat old signs displayed;







It doesn't hurt to be able to go to the storage area. The best stuff was definitely here;

OK. just got the word from BigBlockHead that for some reason or another I can't post any pics of the stuff in storage. I'll delete these. Sorry guys!

Yup, that is the 1951 Buick XP-300 concept!










This Wildcat had been donated to the museum;



Some restoration work is also performed on premises;

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 07:27 PM

The Buick Gallery is under the wings of the Sloan Museum which is next door. A lot of cool stuff to see here.



But we didn't go in that way, a lot of stuff to see down below too. Jacob was the friendly tour guide, thank you Sir!;

Sorry, pics removed.













Somebody had contacted the museum regarding restoring a similar travel trailer and the museum was going to send some paint chips to help out.



The Flint sit down strike did start the UAW stronghold of the automotive industry;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_Sit-Down_Strike



No 1904 Buicks are known to have survived but the museum had this reconstruction made using an original 1904 Buick engine;



An interesting variety of Packards were on display;





In another part of Flint GM had just bought what is considered to be the first GM factory. It is in nice shape but no definite plans about the usage were yet set. The barriers were put in place after the deal.











Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 08:10 PM

OK, enough of the GM stuff! We were supposed to meet three merry men in a Charger and a Super Coupe at the Chelsea, MI car show. Pretty good turnout for a small town and a really pleasant atmosphere. But sigh, I didn't get to the Chrysler Proving Grounds this time either!? Gotta focus, focus...











If I would have to name one favorite none Mopar it could very well be a 1963 Pontiac Catalina Ventura Super Duty.







The local funeral home had some pretty cool stuff and opened the doors for anyone to come in;



















Let's roll forward to Jackson, MI which also had a similar event but on a larger scale. Taking the scenic route of course;

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 08:23 PM

This place was packed!



























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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 08:42 PM

After catching some Z:s in Kalamazoo it was time to head towards the Gilmore Car Museum and Mopars at the Red Barns! This bad boy was parked at a burger joint;



This is going to be good;



The Gilmore is a big place. This building was replicating a Ford dealership and was full of 30:s Fords;



On the other side was a Franklin dealership modeled after one in Los Angeles;



But we'll go in later! It was on the brink of raining and the smart move would be to leave most of the inside exhibits for last. And who knows, somebody might have something cheap at the swap;



New buildings are coming up, this place has a lot of style!













This barn featured Cadillacs;







Beautiful Shell station;











Posted By: BulletBob

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 08:44 PM

Hans you are the man This is better than any men's magazine

Real Auto erotica!
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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 08:58 PM

Quote:

Hans you are the man This is better than any men's magazine

Real Auto erotica!




LOL, thanks Bob!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 09:13 PM









Hmmm, mid-70:s dealer displays can't be in Hemi territory yet price-wise? "Hi, how much are you asking for these? - 20 bucks. - Each? - No, for the set. - Ummm, OK, I'll take them!"














Posted By: bigdad

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 09:34 PM

This has been my favorite summer vacation story in years !!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 10:20 PM

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This has been my favorite summer vacation story in years !!




Thank you Sir! A lot more to come, we are not even close to half way.

My taste in cars might not be the mainstream, thus a lot of C-bodys, trucks etc. I like the odd stuff. And I like the performance cars from the big three in the 1957-64 era. I hope that doesn't make the thread less interesting...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 10:36 PM





Nice re-creation of the Tucker sales office;



This Ford barn seemed to have been lighted by Lucas, the prince of darkness...



Or maybe it was just my cheap lens? The displays were very nice once again and the buildings are a sight to see themselves.



Pierce-Arrow building;



This was probably my favorite building, amazing;













The attic;



Looking down at the swap;



And the building from the outside;



Hurst detail;





Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 10:51 PM

Let's take a look inside the Ford dealership building;





The parts counter was really cool, packed with vintage stuff;





Then across the street to the Franklin dealership;





Checkers were manufactured just a few miles from here, in Kalamazoo;





















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 11:33 PM

A bit hidden in this large building was a fantastic display of traditional Hot Rods and Customs along with huge paintings and enlarged magazine covers. Quite a treat!















































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/06/13 11:51 PM

For the Beach Boys fans at least this one should be familiar;



















The most distant wing in the Franklin building had a Hudson display;

















This was a popular photo stop;



We left fairly early to have a chance to grab a bite on the way to Detroit and the Telegraph Cruise...but it got wet on the way...

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/07/13 12:14 AM

I had a bad feeling about the evening even if the rain seemed to have stopped.



In addition to this lonely warrior we saw maybe a dozen cruisers on Telegraph.







We drove through downtown and checked out Woodward but it was dead as well. No worries, Sunday would be a busy day anyway...





Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/07/13 03:47 AM

I sure hope your USA vacation threads end up in the best of category. Love your pics and your knowledge of the automotive history.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/07/13 01:00 PM

Thanks Eric, I try my best although I have probably forgotten a lot more than I know....

On Sunday the North Oakland Mopar Muscle Club had a swap and show at the Packard Proving Grounds. It was again a pleasure to meet GetAwayDriver and HemiViper588 who have a great insight in Chrysler matters and the car scene in Detroit! A few interesting goodies at the swap and the Proving Grounds is a great setting for a car show!

http://www.440sixpack.com/

















































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/07/13 02:34 PM

Got the Mopar show pretty well covered and the next thing to see was the Concours d'Elegance of America at St John's in Plymouth, MI.

http://www.concoursusa.org/

Another beautiful setting in the park at The Inn at St John's. This hotel and conference center used to be a monastery and it is a sight on its own.





Reliable Carriers had more than a dozen rigs on site and they had parked this at a primo spot by the entrance;





If it don't go, chrome it? It was pretty neat actually...









The main thing why I wanted to see this event was the fact that they had about a dozen old NASCAR racers on display;

































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 10:12 AM

Just go towards the sound...drool!






































Hmmmmmmm

Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 01:25 PM

I am pretty sure I have a picture of the Charger stock car from the mid 70's when it was tan.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 01:34 PM



"Big Tank" Vette









Very nice display of Dana, Nickey, Baldwin-Motion, Royal etc supercars;

























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Chrysler had set up a nice display;















We checked out the beautiful building after the show and had burgers on the second floor. Very reasonably priced and nice views from the balcony.









Oh yeah, I-696 where legends were made!



This is GM Flint Assembly where Chevy and GMC trucks are made;









A few more photos from Flint too;





I wish I could see some photos of this place back in the day. I thought that they are in the garden sculpture business but it seems to be an eatery, claimed to be quite good too by those in the know;

http://www.hoffmansdecodeli.com/





Charles W Nash house just around the corner from the factory shown earlier;



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Williams_Nash







Truck frames on the train;

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 03:53 PM

Flint is struggling as there used to be about 80,000 people working for GM in the late 70:s, today only 10% of those jobs are left.















While looking at Flint we stumbled upon a small local cruise;











But almost wherever you go in Michigan the auto industry is still always present;











Hold on! What's that?



Somebody should definitely save this poor thing. The For Sale sign seemed to have been there for a very long time...







































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 07:57 PM

After a long weekend in Michigan it was time to head out west again. Places to go, people to meet!



But Lansing was on the way. I had time for a couple of quick visits.



























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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 08:15 PM

The R.E. Olds Museum is a must when in Lansing;









Ironically when the Olds Freeway was built the Olds Mansion had to be demolished. This fireplace was one of the things saved from the building;





Assembly line fresh 5.7 Diesel...uhhh, uploaded the wrong pic. This is a 307...still cool















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 08:38 PM

Another item added on the "bucket list";

http://mwlofts.com/residential/motorwheel/history.php













GM workers had made this "Body by Fisher" wagon;





This beautiful stained glass wall had been in the Oldsmobile executive offices;





This looked familiar...















A replica of the Hurst Hairy Olds;







Oldsmobile should have put this "Darth Vader edition" Cutlass in production;







Olds Tower

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_E._Olds

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/08/13 09:23 PM

There was only a bit over an hour to check out the Michigan Historical Museum in Lansing but the nice dude at the ticket counter got me in for half price Up we go to start with the 20th Century, the rest can follow if time permits...







The first thing to greet you on the third floor exhibition is a recreation of the body drop at the Ford Highland Park plant. I liked in particular the map showing the different operations. I asked if the windows were from the plant and the guy said that it has been torn down a long time ago. I said no, they shortened it a bit because some bright mind thought it was ugly and a strip mall was built in the other end. Oh, I had no idea said the fellow...















A glimpse downstairs;



They had built homes from different time periods to show typical American living;





This exhibition was the Arsenal of Democracy describing how American manufacturing won WWII;

















http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight


Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/09/13 01:04 PM



Gotta love that mid-century stuff;

























I did go through the earlier Michigan history as well, the lumber barons etc but I guess there is too much of non-Mopar stuff already so we will move in to the Chicago area...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/09/13 02:13 PM

Back to a known hoarder...this loaded 1969 Dodge Dart was really unusua;



Sure hope this one will brought back, would be a gorgeous car;



Unfortunately this fastback is beyond saving but no parts will be thrown away, some are actually on the latest Hemi Under Glass;



I'm a big Sweptline fan...





It seems to be difficult to find any Made in USA 215-235/75 x 15 whitewalls these days so I bought a set of used 255/70 x 15 Dunlop Elites from Jim. Rather classy looking tire but a bit wide for the New Yorker.



Now, here's a hauler to have...sadly the current owner cut off some of the upper parts. I wonder who had this rig back in the day? It had to be someone famous?



The last MrNorm dragster, sadly out in he elements;





The latest Hemi Under Glass under construction;



And another;



I love the small towns, this is Harvard, IL,







Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/09/13 02:49 PM

Finally on our way towards Kansas City (and a few other places) we stopped by the huge classic car dealer in Staunton, IL, Country Classic Cars;

http://www.countryclassiccars.com/



This place is huge, several large buildings house hundreds of old cars and there is even more outside. A lot of the inventory seems to be priced around $10K.







Don't get any ideas now Jim...



You don't stumble on a 1960 Plymouth Fury 2dHT too often. This was a big block car too;





On Route 66 we found The Rabbit Ranch. In addition to live rabbits and german ones stuck in the ground you can find some trucking and Route 66 history as well;

http://www.henrysroute66.com/











With a heavy heart we drove by what used to be the Chrysler St Louis plant;







Thunder and Lightning followed the Rhinehart family get together in Missouri Nice meeting you all!



In rural Kansas a tow/wrecking yard had an auction recently. It seems that a few people made some excellent deals;





With some creativity the buyer of this 1970 Chrysler was located. Red with a white vinyl top and interior, quite a combo! We will see if something comes out of it...







About halfway there, have to upload another 1000 photos on Photobucket, stay tuned!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/09/13 08:03 PM

In a small town in the Midwest we had the pleasure of meeting Bob, a collector of fine machinery on a larger scale. He is also a very nice guy and spent a good chunk of his day to show his collection. Thank you again Bob, it was a blast!

Years and years ago when it had never been done I always hoped that someone would restore a Hemi Dart in as delivered condition. It is still a major trip to see one of these in primer although I highly appreciate the cars with back in the day paintjobs.













Sometimes the world feels so small. This gorgeous SS454 was sold by Reedman as was my 1967 Dodge D200 Custom Camper Special crew longbed.











That was just a storage building...let's see the main collection!

































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There was a even a few cars from the GM collection that were auctioned recently including a narrow-bodied Vette and other interesting one-offs.













Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/09/13 10:39 PM

Usually you need a baseball bat or a broken transmission to make Jim stop but amazingly enough he did without all that now. I thought I saw something interesting, actually too interesting to be true in a store window. We went around the block to see what used to be the local Ford Dealer, The McClure Motor Company;

http://genealogytrails.com/kan/butler/eightymcclure-john.html







Today the place houses "Hot Rods and Bail Bonds" and to say that the inventory is interesting is an understatement. Unfortunately there was no one on the premises so we just had to look through the windows. The building seemed to have a full basement with a car ramp so who knows what can be found downstairs;















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 12:46 AM

It was getting late and we were supposed to pick up my 1973 Chrysler New Yorker just south of Kansas City.



Lance, the guy selling the car, is a super nice guy and had no worries in waiting a few months to complete the transaction. He even installed a few new parts for me. Also a big thanks to BulletBob who took his time to check out the car for me. I didn't doubt Lance but it is always good to hear another opinion especially when you are on the other side of the world. Lance had a few interesting Imperials and a Town & Country that I enjoyed looking at;







I had never seen hail damage up close and all I can say is wow. I knew that the dents can be pretty big but I never realized how badly beaten even the sides can be. The windshield has already been replaced...



Thanks again man, the car looks mighty sharp with the "new" shoes!



Class of 73;





After a well slept night (?) we were ready to continue towards Indy where we'd leave the NY and the Demon to wait for the Mopar Nationals the coming weekend.



No, it's not "that" Lynch Road;









Almost on the way we picked up Jim's ramp truck. Luckily the diesel shop seemed to be a stand-up business that had fixed what the dealer had messed up, for a very reasonable amount too.



Just use something to keep that headliner from sagging. OK...





Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 01:02 AM

Back in Chicago I thought I'd take the opportunity to check out the Volo Museum complex;









































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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 02:22 AM

Loading up some necessary items in the trailer and we are off to the Mopar Nationals!



Stopped by MrNorm to help him out as well;



And at Bosak to pick up a Charger for the Nats;









All set! Now the New Yorker and the Demon from Indy;



The Finer Details shop was very busy...and so was Jim, didn't have the chance to get photos of some beautiful completed cars in the back lol;









All seemed to go fairly well except for the fact that after sitting a few days the New Yorker wasn't running right...and the gas tank (new) leaked a lot at the filler tube. But things went downhill from there. I was cursing the fact that there seemed to be a traffic jam on the Interstate in Indy but it in a few seconds I realized that it might be worse. It was a one truck and trailer traffic jam in front of me and we stood behind a hill in the middle lane during rush hour. Definitely not too safe. This sight in your rear view mirror isn't usually good but the Indiana Highway Patrol took us very professionally to a safer spot on the shoulder.



We got the truck and trailer towed away from the freeway for a sum I usually buy cars on. Luckily the New Yorker ran well enough that we could head toward the Nats and make a backup plan, I wonder what this complex was originally? Looks very Albert Kahn - like;




Jim got to loan a truck from Ken and we were headed straight back to Indy. Not too much time if we want to deliver the Charger and MrNorms stuff in the morning;



No worries, it all worked out;









I like what they did to the new Charger but I am still more of a truck person. That crew dually is an amazing vehicle;



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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 02:40 AM













That is one rare air cleaner....no, I mean the one to the left...































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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 12:38 PM

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It's not just a coupe, it's a Super Coupe!































This car was one of the absolute Nats highlights for me. It is just perfect on so many levels











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One more Mopar Nats behind and before heading to Detroit it was wrenching time at Granberg Chrysler-Plymouth. After arriving to the Hampton Inn the NY had quit running altogether. Armed with a couple of swap meet Thermoquads, new plugs and plug wires, cap and rotor we hoped to get the car to run enough to get to Detroit. At this point I sure wished that I would have taken my rebuilt 73 440 TQ with me from Finland but considering the hassles with flying today and the fragile part I chose not to take it...
We got the car to run although not all that well. The leaking filler neck was repaired temporarily by turning the damaged filler neck seal.

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 02:53 PM

There were a couple of cars trailered as well due to some minor issues;



This is one sharp looking ride;









Jim's truck was lacking power and the NY barely ran so we decided to caravan together as long as possible just in case. So, instead of me heading straight to Detroit we headed towards the beautiful eastern Ohio Amish country where Jim was supposed to pick up a truck bed for a customer. This sight made me somewhat look for Lt Dan though











Dundee Automotive in Dundee, OH is a pick-up truck parts specialist;











Ford Woodhaven Stamping Plant;



Yup, that is the Motor City;



The Russell Trade Center, former Murray Auto Body which also manufactured airplane wings for the B17 Flying Fortresses. It was here that the 2014 Corvette was unveiled.

http://www.russellindustrialcenter.com/



The heavy Michigan multi-axle trucks always impress a man in the trade;



With some creative driving I got safely to my friend Kurt in Detroit. He lives only a couple of miles from Woodward so I could easily walk there before getting the TQ rebuilt. Luckily I had another good friend who has raced TQ:s back in the day and I had already found a rebuild kit. The weather had been a bit unstable for awhile which took sometimes a toll on the activities on Woodward. But it will just get better every day from here...



This particular evening was really quiet but I did see this street freak at Sam's Shell. Ahh, the 70:s...;





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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 03:48 PM

This 1963 Pontiac Catalina was stunning in black...to me the automotive years between 1957-64 were the best. The big three had some great designs and really powerful engine options. Plastic hadn't made it's appearance on a large scale either...















Woodward has it all;













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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 03:58 PM





The mighty Cammer;

























1962 Royal Bobcat Catalina;







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He built it himself









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Nothing better than American vehicles parked in the driveway in Detroit. Kris came for some late night carb workout and we got to use Kurt's cozy and well equipped garage for that. Thanks again guys!





One of the best spots to look at cars is at Sam's Shell;



Finally got my own wheels on Woodward!





Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 05:09 PM

Wednesday evening and the Moparts meet at the Donut Cutter;

























I feel small, I'm surrounded by the Detroit mob...





























Although the concept is familiar and all the promotional discs never fail to impress me. They look totally surreal.



Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 05:41 PM

Back on the road, I am so worried about missing cool stuff that I'd like to be in a dozen places at once...



This might be a bit of a boring video but for those who have never been at Woodward and don't realize how wide spread this event is it might give a clue. In this 9 part video I drive from 13 Mile Road (yes, there are activities several miles south from there too) all the way to Pontiac and then back to Bloomfield Hills staying on Woodward the whole time. Even if the Friday was a bit slow there were still thousands of old cars everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQRvg7vYDw













































Got bling?

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Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 06:26 PM

I evaded ALL Donut Cutter pictures! Yes!
I see a purple Jerry in a few though.

Thanks for the pictures (I haven't responded until now but I am looking at them all!)
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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 06:49 PM

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I evaded ALL Donut Cutter pictures! Yes!
I see a purple Jerry in a few though.

Thanks for the pictures (I haven't responded until now but I am looking at them all!)




So you were there? Sorry, I had no idea as I didn't see the famous Hemi killin' Duster. Glad you liked the photos, quite a few Detroit ones coming up still...
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I usually walk more than 10 miles every day when on Woodward to see as much as possble...but it is worth it!

Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 07:49 PM

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I evaded ALL Donut Cutter pictures! Yes!
I see a purple Jerry in a few though.

Thanks for the pictures (I haven't responded until now but I am looking at them all!)




So you were there? Sorry, I had no idea as I didn't see the famous Hemi killin' Duster. Glad you liked the photos, quite a few Detroit ones coming up still...




I drove my not-so-famous non-Hemi killin' Dart, so I was a bit incognito. Plus I think I came later that evening (not sure how long you stayed.)
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 08:05 PM

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I evaded ALL Donut Cutter pictures! Yes!
I see a purple Jerry in a few though.

Thanks for the pictures (I haven't responded until now but I am looking at them all!)




So you were there? Sorry, I had no idea as I didn't see the famous Hemi killin' Duster. Glad you liked the photos, quite a few Detroit ones coming up still...




I drove my not-so-famous non-Hemi killin' Dart, so I was a bit incognito. Plus I think I came later that evening (not sure how long you stayed.)




Yeah, I probably left earlier but

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Posted By: GetAwayDriver

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 08:34 PM

Hans this is the best Moparts thread since... Uh, the last time you came to Detroit! You pretty much photographed everything I would have at every stop. Carry on...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 08:42 PM

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Hans this is the best Moparts thread since... Uh, the last time you came to Detroit! You pretty much photographed everything I would have at every stop. Carry on...




Much obliged Sir! I'm just trying to do something useful while waiting for your book...

Next year there will be even more Detroit, I promise! But here's a small tour for those who think that Detroit is just ruins and misery like the media portrays. Just wait a moment...
Posted By: DynoDave

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/10/13 10:39 PM

What a fantastic trip, and thread. Thank you for sharing all these wonderful pictures.

As a late B-body fan, I sure HOPE this body has a happy future.


Quote:

The last MrNorm dragster, sadly out in he elements;








Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/11/13 09:08 PM

Thanks Dave and I hear you, I sure hope that the Charger body will one day be back in its former glory! Maybe even as a complete race car.

Next up is a little sight seeing of Detroit. I am lucky to know Kris who is really, really knowledgeable about Detroit architecture, past and current ongoings as well as interesting Mopars. So, we'll hop in the Wrangler for a quick (considering how much there is to see) tour. I've always liked the looks of the Wrangler but have had a bit of a hard time with the interior and the dash in particular. With the new one I am really impressed though, the Jeep folks have done a beautiful job on it and the 300 horse V6 and the 6-speed manual move it with ease. These are starting around $23K which is quite a good deal in my eyes. Speaking of American cars in Europe the cheapest Wrangler in Sweden is the Sahara at $45K and in Finland the Sport diesel (yuk) at $75K. No gas engines in Finland as they'd probably be even more expensive due to the mean greenies insane taxes. A great little vehicle it is but luxury for us Europeans.




I had been taking some video footage of the beautiful eastern suburb of Grosse Pointe and didn't take still photos before we got to Belle Isle. Belle Isle is quite a sight to see, a really beautiful place and the weather treated us well too. Here's some video footage driving along the shoreline, disregard my geeky voice lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIDueFE3NZY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_Isle_Park

A view towards downtown Detroit and the GM headquarters;





Canada is to the left and the Ambassador Bridge connects Detroit to Windsor. Uh oh, that place would have a lot of interesting stuff too...













The Detroit Yacht Club is the largest in the US and very rich in history considering that such names as Gar Wood had a presence here in the 1920:s

http://www.dyc.com/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=263723&vnf=1









The Detroit Boat Club is another fantastic structure on Belle Isle, seen here from the elegant MacArthur Bridge which connects Belle Isle to Detroit;

http://www.detroiturbex.com/content/parksandrec/boatclub/index.html



Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 12:11 AM

Hate to interrupt. Any pictures of the grey Demon at the Nats that was on the other side of the shorty, orange Dodge Van??

Still a cool thread. Keep the pics coming.
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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 09:59 AM

what a great vacation you had,,thanks for the pics,,been over 20 years since ive been to the red barn dont remember seeing all the things you posted there,,, how did you like wood ward ?? what a zooooo tell jim,,i said hey,,,

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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 05:21 PM

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Hate to interrupt. Any pictures of the grey Demon at the Nats that was on the other side of the shorty, orange Dodge Van??

Still a cool thread. Keep the pics coming.




Good eye there! Sorry, went through my pics and don't have one of the Demon...maybe someone else can step up and post some?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 05:29 PM

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what a great vacation you had,,thanks for the pics,,been over 20 years since ive been to the red barn dont remember seeing all the things you posted there,,, how did you like wood ward ?? what a zooooo tell jim,,i said hey,,,




Thanks for looking, still some coming up! It seems that The Gilmore Museum is adding buildings at a steady pace. It is a huge complex already, happy to see a car museum doing well!

Woodward is great but I wish all the minivans etc would have the decency to stay away. The daily drivers are really the problem, they clog the traffic especially on Saturday. But I love Woodward, will be there every year if I can afford it.
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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 05:49 PM

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I evaded ALL Donut Cutter pictures! Yes!
I see a purple Jerry in a few though.

Thanks for the pictures (I haven't responded until now but I am looking at them all!)




So you were there? Sorry, I had no idea as I didn't see the famous Hemi killin' Duster. Glad you liked the photos, quite a few Detroit ones coming up still...





Evade???

Not quite...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 06:19 PM

Coming over the bridge from Belle Isle we see one of the many old industrial buildings that have ben converted to lofts. Detroit has so many cool old industrial buildings just sitting empty, even the old Chrysler dealer on Cass...and they are cheap. But how to afford the property taxes not to mention deal with the security issues...



The Eastside Historic Cemetery District consists of three separate cemeteries which all date back to the mid 19th century. We took a drive through Elmwood, such a beautiful and peaceful place. I'll post a video link later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastside_Historic_Cemetery_District

Mount Elliott front gate;



Entering Elmwood Cemetery;



A major part of the riverfront has been completely redone recently, Windsor in the background;



Looking towards downtown and the Renaissance Center;



The Eastern Market seems to be doing well, a lot of small businesses opening up in the neighborhood.



This handsome brick building is home to the Detroit Mercantile Company which specializes in Made in Detroit, Michigan and USA goods. A lot of vintage stuff everywhere too and it is all for sale. Finally a place that has Made in USA t-shirts...bought a pocket Constitution and a few other things as well;













After grabbing a bite downtown we wanted to check out some of the skyscrapers while there;





One of the most impressive is the Art Deco Guardian Building, also called Cathedral of Finance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Building















The phone rang and Steve, who wanted to see Detroit also but only had one hour to do it, joined us with Dave. Well, actually, we joined them as the Jeep would have been a bit small. But that was fine, I got to ride in slightly tweaked Charger R/T that sounded good. Since time was in short supply we headed towards the New Center area to check out the old GM HQ and the Fisher Building.












Shinola makes watches and bikes right in Detroit. Check them out!

www.shinola.com



Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 06:50 PM

OK, let's hurry up fellas!



Again one thing I hadn't noticed earlier. Across the street from the Fisher Building are the Albert Kahn offices! Albert Kahn seems to have designed half of the industrial buildings and many others in Detroit;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Kahn_(architect)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Center_Building





The Kahn Building, Fisher Building and Cadillac Place (former GM HQ) are connected by underground walkways.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_Building

























Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 07:12 PM

Next the old General Motors Headquarters;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Place

















Just to give an idea what kind of history a few blocks in Detroit can have;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Amsterdam_Historic_District

I sure wish that the Cass Motor Sales, old Chrysler dealer, building will have some automotive use in the future. What a dream pad for someone with deep pockets...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Motor_Sales

From the back;







Back in downtown we hop in the Jeep and continue west,



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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 07:31 PM

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Now, THERE'S three dudes you better keep a close eye on...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 07:47 PM

Any of you Detroit folks know what this was back in the day?





Next stop was pretty exciting as I thought that the old DeSoto/Imperial plant on Warren had been demolished. That was false news, the McGraw Glass plant had been on the same site but the actual car plant is still there. In this very building Chrysler also manufactured parts for the B26:s, B29:s and the Curtiss Helldivers;

http://www.allpar.com/corporate/factories/desoto-warren.html



I wanted to break in. I am sure that somewhere in that huge structure is still something cool from the Chrysler days;





The old Highland Park main gate...in a few years nothing will be left of the old Chrysler HQ as the site is almost fully developed. I wish someone would rescue that dyno floor...



The Ford Highland Park complex...





http://www.crowdrise.com/5aday

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 07:52 PM

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Now, THERE'S three dudes you better keep a close eye on...




Huh? Tis Di-trite. Gotta keep a close eye even on those who are not present.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/12/13 08:23 PM

It was getting dark and we had barely time to see the beautiful houses in the Boston-Edison district;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Edison_Historic_District







James Couzens house, a major shareholder of Ford Motor Company and later a US Senator and also the Mayor of Detroit;











Thanks again for the fantastic tour Kris! I should have some video footage of these too, will post links later...
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 02:54 PM


Don't let the Can you spot dustergirl340 thread get you down Hans. I for one am thoroughly enjoying seeing your pics.

Please, PLEASE don't take this as a complaint, maybe links to an album or blog would have been better (easier)? I've got a good internet connection, and it still takes awhile for all the pics to download. I can imagine members like DocFlappergas that are using dial up are still waiting for page one to load.

OK, back to the pics.


Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:32 PM

Yes, please keep posting! There are those of us that appreciate it very much. Like GetAwayDriver said, you took pictures of everything I would have, it's almost uncanny.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:37 PM

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Don't let the Can you spot dustergirl340 thread get you down Hans. I for one am thoroughly enjoying seeing your pics.

Please, PLEASE don't take this as a complaint, maybe links to an album or blog would have been better (easier)? I've got a good internet connection, and it still takes awhile for all the pics to download. I can imagine members like DocFlappergas that are using dial up are still waiting for page one to load.

OK, back to the pics.







Hey John, glad you like the pics. No worries about me getting discouraged. I just find some things surprising as this is a site dedicated to Chrysler cars. I also know that there aren't that many people who'd do this stuff like I do. I mean I'm obsessed with it (in a good way lol). A good friend from New Zealand said to me once that "I instantly knew that you are one of us, there are not many like us in this world. You have that look in your eyes when you talk about this stuff". Being in the "hobby" for over 30 years I kinda knew what he was talking about but it has really sunken in more deeply as years have passed. I don't know many people who'd put up with car stuff for five straight weeks. I just can't get enough of it.

Interesting point regarding the photos. I have a mini laptop and it starts to get slow when all the photos load, that is why I have tried to link fewer photos per post. Comments are helpful as they help to "turn the page". But me doing this the hard way is because I know that many people are too lazy to keep clicking on thumbnails in an album. The photos might take awhile to load but I enjoy being able to look at them without any effort. Links are also easy to post this way for those who want to go more in depth about stuff. I try to insert a lot of links because even if one is interested very few people would go through the trouble of googling stuff for more info.

Glad for the input, didn't think of it the way you said. I guess the good DrFlIpPeRgLaSs has to upgrade the dial-up

Let's head to the Viper plant soon...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:43 PM

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Yes, please keep posting! There are those of us that appreciate it very much. Like GetAwayDriver said, you took pictures of everything I would have, it's almost uncanny.




LOL, I'm sure there's a lot of folks wondering what the heck this guy's doing. He flies in from the other side of the world and takes pics of vans, c-bodys, and 81 New Yorker's.

Congrats for your good taste
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:43 PM

COOL! I have been waiting to see the Wiper plant...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:47 PM

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COOL! I have been waiting to see the Wiper plant...






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Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 03:49 PM

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Yes, please keep posting! There are those of us that appreciate it very much. Like GetAwayDriver said, you took pictures of everything I would have, it's almost uncanny.




LOL, I'm sure there's a lot of folks wondering what the heck this guy's doing. He flies in from the other side of the world and takes pics of vans, c-bodys, and 81 New Yorker's.

Congrats for your good taste




LOL, yeah, sometimes I get a little tired of the "popular" Mopars, they all kinda start looking the same (which is one reason we're building a '65 Dart. NO love for them. )

Heck, I drove through Detroit last summer and saw a mint K-car and got excited.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 04:01 PM

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Yes, please keep posting! There are those of us that appreciate it very much. Like GetAwayDriver said, you took pictures of everything I would have, it's almost uncanny.




LOL, I'm sure there's a lot of folks wondering what the heck this guy's doing. He flies in from the other side of the world and takes pics of vans, c-bodys, and 81 New Yorker's.

Congrats for your good taste




LOL, yeah, sometimes I get a little tired of the "popular" Mopars, they all kinda start looking the same (which is one reason we're building a '65 Dart. NO love for them. )

Heck, I drove through Detroit last summer and saw a mint K-car and got excited.




Don't say that about '65 Darts. My first car was a 65 Dart and I still have it. Fours doors too and the mighty 170 cid Slant. Used to have chromed Clifford headers, totally killed low end torque (what torque?). Then I got crazy with the Ed Hamburger catalog (around 1984)and wanted a 360, auto and a 8 3/4" SG. Darn car is still in pieces though. And one of the most obsessed restorations in the world is done on a 1965 Dart Charger in Sweden. I think Ulf will bring it to the US next year;

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=102646
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 04:11 PM

The 65 Dart is the best of the narrow bodies IMHO! Btw, I met someone who knows you at SEMA, Olli Manninen from Finland! Talked with him for a while, it seems that you guys over der are all Mopar nuts... I want one of those Finnish Mopar t-shirts!
Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 04:17 PM

I believe the FIRST car to run the Mr. Norm's "Hi-Performance King" lettering was a 63 Dart with Lakes pipes on it and it ran at the inside drag races in 63. Don't diss the Darts!

Keep the pictures of the trucks, K-cars and C-bodies coming.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 08:01 PM

That's cool Jim! Finland has always been a MoPar country, back in the day Chrysler outsold GM and Ford, I guess that heritage still shows!

Eric, spotted a clean Omni in Detroit and that was a bit exciting, I am getting worried about myself
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 08:56 PM

Another busy day ahead! I had been talking about a visit to the Viper plant with GetAwayDriver since my last stay in Detroit and he made it happen! There was a possibility for three people to come on the tour and Kurt who generously let me stay at his place while in Detroit appreciated the chance to join the fun! The third guy was BigBlockHead who drove down from Flint.



Driving past GM Powertrain and Chrysler Warren Stamping;





Mount Elliott Tool & Die on the way...



And in we go!



The building is an old Champion Spark Plug factory and reminds quite a bit of some structures Yamasaki did for Chrysler;

http://www.allpar.com/cars/viper/conner-avenue.html

http://www.drivesrt.com/2014/srt-viper/







We got a nice presentation before entering the action;





I was amazed about the cleanliness of the truck factory and this place didn't exactly let us down in that respect;



A display of different milestone Vipers were placed right on the factory floor;







Checking key measurements, punched hole locations etc. CAAP receives various subassemblies ready to install, the engine being the exception. It is assembled in house on its own assembly line.





Engines ready to go;



Moparts members GetAwayDriver, BigBlockHead and Forwardlook. Maybe this day will be shared with future generations and the story teller is a hero...





Imported from Detroit!



Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 08:57 PM


"Eric, spotted a clean Omni in Detroit and that was a bit exciting, I am getting worried about myself "

Since I've owned my '93 Caravan, I find myself doing the same thing with older Caravans and Voyagers.

Is there a treatment?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 09:02 PM

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"Eric, spotted a clean Omni in Detroit and that was a bit exciting, I am getting worried about myself "

Since I've owned my '93 Caravan, I find myself doing the same thing with older Caravans and Voyagers.

Is there a treatment?




Define older? I have never owned anything as new as 93 lol. Seriously though, there is no treatment and it will only go downhill...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 09:24 PM

There are no robots at this plant, everything is done by hand with much more attention to detail than on a normal assembly line. There are no repair stations either as all problems are corrected already in the assembly areas. In a process normally performed only on race cars, an alignment machine sets caster and camber at normal ride height, and then at jounce and at rebound (upward and downward travel of suspension).
































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 09:46 PM

High pressure water test area;



Quality control, some lucky fellows actually do this for a living;







Everything is super clean and neatly organized here;



Going back we pass the engine assembly line;









Thanks again for a fantastic tour! Memories for life!



Some Viper owners got a tour just behind us, quite an impressive row on the front lawn;





Posted By: GetAwayDriver

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/13/13 11:45 PM

Can't believe I'm the first to post at the end of the Viper tour!

Posted By: idrivevintage

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 03:32 AM

Forwardlook, as always your posts and pictures are awesome

Really enjoyed seeing inside the Viper Plant!

Looks like you guys had a great time, thanks for sharing it.




Whos 72' New Yorker is that?
Posted By: sixty7gtx

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 03:39 AM

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Forwardlook, as always your posts and pictures are awesome

Really enjoyed seeing inside the Viper Plant!

Looks like you guys had a great time, thanks for sharing it.




Whos 72' New Yorker is that?


Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 03:44 AM

That is the 73 that me and Hans picked-up in Kansas for him to drive around the country!
Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 05:05 PM

Very cool to get inside the Viper plant. Every time I read your post I think why the heck am I not going to these places on my own? Time? Money? The heck with it all. I need to get out more.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 05:53 PM

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Can't believe I'm the first to post at the end of the Viper tour!






So, in the morning you choose a nice Viper to park beside your desk and then start to enjoy the view?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/14/13 06:13 PM

Thanks for looking guys! I'm usually not the guy to quote New York Times but they did a good video of the Viper assembly process;

http://www.nytimes.com/video/magazine/100000001993296/manufacturing-a-viper.html

Yeah, the New Yorker is a 73. I prefer the front end of the 72:s but since I'm poor I have to get these things cheap The 73 front end is growing on me and one of the things I liked about this car is the fact that it is triple green And it has a flawless interior...here's a short clip;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kzg-bAoiZM

Eric, I always wonder why you guys in the US don't go out more, lol. There is so much to see. But maybe growing up with it makes it kinda everyday stuff? I don't know but to me every day in the US is like Christmas.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 12:18 PM

There wasn't a lot of time to waste as BigBlockHead had arranged for us to see the GM Heritage Collection. They have about 600 cars and trucks in their collection, less than half of those are displayed at a time.

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/

Driving past Dodge City....







In the back we see a couple of Reliable Carriers rigs...this place is probably constantly busy having vehicles on display all over.



This was parked outside...there was also a Corvette group making the tour at the same time...one of the newer ones cut in front of me a block from the museum so that I spilled my drink...luckily on the recently bought floor mat and not on the upholstery of the car. Well, at least I didn't see any crying dolls









Everything on display is in this one huge open space;



There was quite a few displays showing the other fields GM had ventured into, a lot of interesting information to go through;











I've always liked the 1962 Oldsmobile Starfire. A much more refined car than the Impala it shares the basic body with.







This 1911 Oldsmobile with its 707 cid straight six is valued right in HemiCuda convertible territory;



Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 12:59 PM

Not too many Corvair Rampsides out there...











Original artwork for ads/brochures;







I'm not a big Corvette fan but this AeroVette concept was a very nice design, especially considering it was done in the early 70:s;











Might seem odd but I appreciate seeing one of these...maybe it is all the luxury compared to the cheap looking European ones...









Fine collection of the GM dream/concept cars;



1938 Buick Y-Job, Harley Earl's daily driver;



1951 LeSabre, made entirely of aluminum and featuring the first wrap around windshield;



1953 Cadillac LeMans;



The 1959 Cadillac Cyclone was the last of the GM Motorama cars;



1959 Firebird III, a gas turbine powered special that featured among other things an ultrasonic key system;



1954 Firebird;











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Oldsmobile twin turbo 455



Oldsmobile Dual Overhead Cam 455;

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The future?

Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 04:08 PM

I read an article this morning that asked people from other countries what they found most surprising when they first visited the USA. What would you say Hans?

Again, great pictures. Detroit isn't that far away. I would like to take a few days to head out there and visit some of these places soon. How did you get hooked up with the Viper plant tour? Is it public?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 05:45 PM

Eric, I'd say that's a tough question. My first visit to the US was in 1989 with my mother. I had been a huge fan of all things American as long as I remember and pretty much grown up with American movies and TV-series. A lot of people who we knew had American cars as did we. My parents visited New York, Washington DC, Detroit, Chicago and Toronto in 1967. My uncle was a cop in Chicago but unfortunately passed away about the same time I was born.

I didn't really have a huge surprise but rather a weird feeling which I really remember clearly still today. When exiting the LAX terminal (we spent one week in LA and one in Honolulu) I felt the hot air and saw all the American vehicles. It was surreal how familiar everything seemed. But the weird feeling was that I felt that I was finally home. It may sound silly but that is what I felt very strongly. Maybe I was misplaced at birth...

Another thing a good friend of mine experienced is probably familiar to many of those who like the US but have never visited. It is the fear of being disappointed. What if it isn't as cool as I have imagined? What then? What Americans probably don't realize is that many of us in Europe have the US as a place to escape in thought, a better place where a man can be free. It is really something you don't want to lose. But like my friend said when he came back; "No worries, everything was even better than I thought!".

Sorry, the Viper plant doesn't have any regular public tours. I'll shoot you a PM...

There is so much to see in Detroit...make a good plan before you go! Use common sense though, some of the areas are on the rougher side...
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 06:08 PM

We will wait until you come back next year and have you as tour guide!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 06:26 PM

After the GM Heritage Center it was time to rush to the Chrysler display on the corner of Woodward and 13 Mile;

































Some moving pictures too as Steve Magnante interviews Dodge CEO Jim Kuniskis and takes a closer look at his 500 cube 1971 Challenger at Woodward. Some Lynch Road footage too;

http://blog.dodge.com/behind-scenes/dodge-ceo-kicks-off-woodward-with-his-1971-challenger/
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 06:34 PM

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We will wait until you come back next year and have you as tour guide!




Well, it might actually work. The locals would probably run away from the motley crew
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 06:51 PM































Have to upload some more pics on Photobucket...
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 08:55 PM

That gold '67 with the steelies...love it.

Silver Bullet...oh yeah. That Hemi stomped ME during my first trip down the 1320.
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 08:59 PM

thanks for your time posting all this mopar car porn,,, i love that 62 300
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 09:03 PM

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That gold '67 with the steelies...love it.

Silver Bullet...oh yeah. That Hemi stomped ME during my first trip down the 1320.




lmao,,your not the first to be stomped by the SILVER BULLET,,, search the internet for the story on that car,, it was a factory backed street racer that was never beaten from 1967 thru 1974,,that car is one of the main reasons for the wood ward dream cruise,,,it started as a one time celabration of the muscle car wars in detroit,,,and has turned into the biggest one day car event in the world,,,also know as a cluster,,,,
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 09:06 PM

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That gold '67 with the steelies...love it.

Silver Bullet...oh yeah. That Hemi stomped ME during my first trip down the 1320.




That's quite a classy way to be humiliated?
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 09:09 PM

Even worse, I didn't know how to launch my car (street tires) and ran a 16 something. LOL.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 09:23 PM

That's a pity, I bet the Bullet looks nice pulling hard going down the track and you would have needed binoculars lol.
Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 09:26 PM

It ran a 10 something. I have the time-slip somewhere around here.
Posted By: Forwardlook

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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/15/13 11:47 PM















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Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/16/13 12:03 AM

















Amish?









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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/16/13 12:29 AM











For the K-car fans











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Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/16/13 01:15 PM







There is often that one thing which makes an event stand out. I am constantly scanning the area while moving about and even if I hadn't seen the car in real life before my hair stood up when I saw what had to be Steve Lisk's old Challenger approaching a block away. I ran to the curb for photos, sure wish I could have checked it out closer! It was quite a rush to see it in person, it had been over 30 years since I read about it the first time. Here's a good read for those not familiar with the car;

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7859819





































Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/16/13 01:35 PM



GM guys had all their stuff ready to show;



















Interesting dual quad 392 in an Imperial. Heard there used to be another 58 with one in Portland, OR. I wonder if it "could be arranged" by the factory if a guy with deep pockets wanted one?



Parked for the evening in Bloomfield Hills, Friday was a bit slow compared to two years ago but that is only by Woodward standards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6YlJP-Ag0A
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 05:01 PM

Before calling it a night we went for a small drive in the 'hood and to check out if the Snake and Mongoose haulers would be still outside the Palladium Theater in Birmingham where the first showing of the movie had just taken place. And yes, they were!

http://www.snakeandmongoosemovie.com/



















I sure wish that my lens was better for the night shots but it was a great thrill to see both on these parked on a city street.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 05:22 PM

Saturday was not only the actual Woodward Dream Cruise day but also the day for Back to the Bricks in Flint. I wanted to see some of it and since the Ramchargers were also present it would be nice to see Dave Rockwell who has written the fantastic "We Were the Ramchargers" book and who I had exchanged some emails with the last couple of years. Not to mention all the other legends of course. Let's start the Flint tour at the old Dort-Durant office building just across the street from the factory. This is where the Buick folks gather;









1966 Buick Riviera GS 425 2x4, only 179 made;



It was open house at the office building;













Downtown Flint was packed already in the morning. Here's the Corvette folks;



Not a huge fan in general but this was a really good looking Vette;





The uniforms made these guys stand out, very nice;



Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 05:48 PM

Dig the Van, man!;















I wish could have seen this on Detroit Dragway back in the day with a cloud of clutch smoke following it...











Shut up already Finn and go away! Actually they had a sort of cacklefest type of thing when all the race cars were started for a moment. I feel though that I didn't have much of intelligent things to say, seeing the legends face to face is quite humbling. But it was a great moment to exchange a few words with the guys who have influenced your life so much on the other side of the globe. Thank you again for the good words and all the autographs!



















Posted By: Blusmbl

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 05:59 PM

Thanks for sharing. So many cool cars... '61 300 convertibles, '62 bubbletop 409/4spd Chevies, more Hemi cars than you could shake a stick at...etc. I think I've sat in that #91 Oreca Viper before.

It's refreshing to see an outsider's viewpoint of Detroit.
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 06:44 PM

Heading back to Detroit to catch all the action. As usual, there was too much traffic to drive on Woodward. After driving through Pontiac there was no other choice than taking side roads to be able to reach a good spot to park a bit south from 13 Mile.









Never made it to the Ford display this year...or the emergency vehicles...but there were nice Fords everywhere;





























Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 07:07 PM


Thanks for the kind words fstfish66 and Blusmbl!













GetAwayDriver was also checking out things on Woodward in his stylish new Challenger. He also kindly offered to loan a spare tire for the New Yorker as it seemed that the left rear tire was starting to give up. But a closer examination that evening revealed that I had a bent axle. Something that wasn't so evident when the car was running rough on the highway but with a rebuilt carb it became a lot quieter (still needs a new exhaust) and slow city driving made the issue quite clear. In addition to that the master cylinder started to go...the trip being almost over it would be good to park the car soon and give it some attention before new adventures. Just a short drive to Flint and that's mostly highway lol.



Before stopping by his garage there was still some time to look at the Woodward action.



Checking out some Mopars in a motel parking lot somebody shouted, you got a Mopar shirt, do you have a Mopar too? It was Shirley from MCG! We had quite a long chat and her being the nice person she is she gave some cookies and the latest issue of MCG! Thanks again Shirley!

Posted By: Ruppman

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 07:36 PM

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I read an article this morning that asked people from other countries what they found most surprising when they first visited the USA. What would you say Hans?

Again, great pictures. Detroit isn't that far away. I would like to take a few days to head out there and visit some of these places soon. How did you get hooked up with the Viper plant tour? Is it public?




Eric, I agree with ya! I've never seen these places Hans is visiting in Detroit including the Ford and Greenfield village museums.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 07:54 PM

I love that 66 W100... Isn't that Mopar Ron's old chop-top van?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 08:17 PM

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I love that 66 W100... Isn't that Mopar Ron's old chop-top van?




Too few Sweptlines cruising! I love all of them!

Funny, that was my first thought of the van too...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 08:20 PM

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Again, great pictures. Detroit isn't that far away. I would like to take a few days to head out there and visit some of these places soon. How did you get hooked up with the Viper plant tour? Is it public?




Eric, I agree with ya! I've never seen these places Hans is visiting in Detroit including the Ford and Greenfield village museums.




Guys, I haven't even touched the surface! And I've never been to the Ford places! There's weeks of this stuff still to do...making plans for the next one already! Detroit is #1!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 09:04 PM

With some amazing luck I happened to score on eBay a never seen photo of the first Dick Boynton Max Wedge D100 outside a California dealership. This truck is one of my favorite Mopars ever;



It was time to say thank you and good-bye to Kurt who had been so impressed about my last Detroit adventure that he offered me a place to stay on this visit! Thanks again! Kurt is a bit of an adventurer himself, he has Finnish ancestors and decided some years ago to check out the old country, found work at Sisu trucks and ended up helping out the factory race team! In addition to that he was able to pursue his real passion, motorcycle racing as well!



Before heading to Flint for storing the New Yorker I was invited to take a nice drive along St Clair to Port Huron. I really wanted to be at Moparfest in Canada but there wasn't anyone heading that way on Saturday evening on Sunday morning and the NY wasn't an option. I had a flight from Chicago on Monday so not much room for errors...not to mention that my Kansas plates weren't quite...ummm...up to date. But no worries, a nice day ahead with excellent tour guides!









Have to make a stop when seeing a place like this;









Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 09:14 PM

Next stop was at Chrysler Marine & Industrial in Marysville! Now it is a Mopar Parts Depot. There was a small local car show going on too;















Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/17/13 09:39 PM

Arriving in Port Huron we witnessed a big event where people floated downriver in all kinds of interesting devices, some seemed to have their own private island to travel on.;



Canada can be seen in the background;





It was time to grab something to eat, this beautiful 62 Dodge was in the parking lot;







With full stomachs we made one more tour in Port Huron and headed back towards Detroit. This bridge goes to the Canadian side;











First truck cab I've ever seen! Cool!





Thanks for the tour guys! Driving to Flint makes one a bit thoughtful, it's back to the daily grind soon. Jim is meeting me in Flint as he is coming back from Moparfest;



Looking one more time at Auburn Hills, see you soon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0Am2E94-o



Bad photo of a groovy van in Flint;



Unloading at MrNorm and making it to the airport just in time;



That was all, thanks for looking!

Posted By: DynoDave

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 12:16 AM

Looks like a very successful trip. Thanks again for posting all of the pics.
Posted By: gts340swinger

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 06:24 AM

OK, we know you have more pics. Start over and post more pics.
Posted By: GetAwayDriver

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 01:37 PM

Hans does the BEST job of summing up all the things I grew up on and still love about Metro-Detroit/mid-west US. The irony is that he travels from halfway around the earth to do it! I hope you can get a Euro American car magazine to purchase your photos/writing.

On a slightly political note, Hans has a better understanding of the Constitution, state's rights, seperation of powers, etc. than most any American I've ever met. This guy could write a citizenship test, forget about just passing one!

Btw, you weren't the only one taking photos of cool cars. This is when he found out his master cylinder was failing.

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Posted By: dustergirl340

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 02:19 PM

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On a slightly political note, Hans has a better understanding of the Constitution, state's rights, seperation of powers, etc. than most any American I've ever met. This guy could write a citizenship test, forget about just passing one!




Amen to that.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 03:56 PM

And it is always a pleasure travelling the country and talking history and politics with Hans, though we can't talk about it here. Sometimes I wish he could live here, but he will find out all too soon about what really goes on, though I am sure he knows it already I would hate to ruin his enthusiasm. Thanks again for helping me out on my adventures, Lord knows I need the help!
Posted By: DAYCLONA

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 05:22 PM

Very gracious of you Hans to post this entire thread of all things that we find wonderful about the automotive culture here in the US...


FYI, I did read/view the entire thread...very nice!


Mike
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 06:09 PM

Uhhhh, almost too much praise for a low key Finn! Thanks, I appreciate it! It seems that each trip makes the "bucket list" longer though! I really have to stay at least a couple of weeks in Detroit the next time! And then there's Windsor and I haven't been to the Petty Museum yet (which is moving back to the original historic location as we speak), I'd like to see the guards of the unknown in Washington, take the Airstream tour, see the Peterbilt factory if possible, visit my uncle's neighborhood in Chicago, the Chrysler mansion in New York, get inside the Chrysler Building...the list just goes on...and I never seem to have time for any wrecking yards anymore!

No worries about my enthusiasm getting ruined Jim! I am pretty well aware what is going on. Years of research really made me love America even more, the wisdom of the Founding Fathers is really amazing not to mention how well their thoughts fit even in the world of today.

My sincere thanks to everybody who made yet another trip to America an unforgettable one! Hope to see you soon again!
Posted By: 1970A13

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/18/13 11:59 PM

Great pics Hans,next time you are over stay for good,we need truck drivers here also.Or you could sneek in on the north or the south side it looks pretty easy and you can get health care also!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/19/13 10:32 AM

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Great pics Hans,next time you are over stay for good,we need truck drivers here also.Or you could sneek in on the north or the south side it looks pretty easy and you can get health care also!




Thanks, just hold that Peterbilt door open and I'll jump right in!

http://youtu.be/veTsSIK_OpE
Posted By: ChryCoGuy

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/20/13 12:22 AM

Wow... this has been my favourite moparts thread ever! Thanks so much for taking all the time and effort to share your travels to the mecca of automotive history!

Posted By: Webster

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/20/13 03:29 AM

Now that was some GREAT TRIP....Thanks so much for sharing all the Wonderful pictures
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/20/13 03:38 AM

Make sure you check out the 1st Mighty Midwest Mopar Tour in the Best Of section!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/20/13 06:48 PM

Thanks for looking guys!

Jim, I was actually going to post a link for the tour two years ago, a lot of Chrysler Detroit stuff there for those who missed it;

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0&fpart=1
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/21/13 06:36 AM

Quote:

Uhhhh, almost too much praise for a low key Finn! Thanks, I appreciate it! It seems that each trip makes the "bucket list" longer though! I really have to stay at least a couple of weeks in Detroit the next time! And then there's Windsor and I haven't been to the Petty Museum yet (which is moving back to the original historic location as we speak), I'd like to see the guards of the unknown in Washington, take the Airstream tour, see the Peterbilt factory if possible, visit my uncle's neighborhood in Chicago, the Chrysler mansion in New York, get inside the Chrysler Building...the list just goes on...and I never seem to have time for any wrecking yards anymore!

No worries about my enthusiasm getting ruined Jim! I am pretty well aware what is going on. Years of research really made me love America even more, the wisdom of the Founding Fathers is really amazing not to mention how well their thoughts fit even in the world of today.

My sincere thanks to everybody who made yet another trip to America an unforgettable one! Hope to see you soon again!




again.,thanks for sharing all the pics,,, you must of invested a lot of time up loading on this forum,,,,pics of places ive never seem vey kool,,,,is meadow brook on your list of places in the detroit area ?? former mansion of the dodge brothers,,
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 11/21/13 10:12 AM

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again.,thanks for sharing all the pics,,, you must of invested a lot of time up loading on this forum,,,,pics of places ive never seem vey kool,,,,is meadow brook on your list of places in the detroit area ?? former mansion of the dodge brothers,,




If you go through the trip pics from two years ago you'll find photos of Meadow Brook.

I never had the chance to take the inside tour so I have to visit again! I don't think that photos are allowed inside though.
Posted By: 69_SIX_PACK

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/08/13 10:29 PM

Thanks for taking the time and posting all those great pics. This thread was awesome and needs to be in the Best of Moparts.

Dave
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/09/13 09:00 AM

Quote:

Thanks for taking the time and posting all those great pics. This thread was awesome and needs to be in the Best of Moparts.

Dave




Thanks for looking and the kind words!
Posted By: 69_SIX_PACK

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/09/13 05:10 PM

I went and found your first tour in the Best of Moparts...I somehow missed it the first time around. The stories and pics are just amazing. Lots of great history too.

When do you plan on coming back? Too bad you managed to miss Moparfest. Usually a few c-bodies and foward look cars.

Dave
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 12:56 AM

Thanks again Dave...plan to come over again next summer, hopefully Moparfest will be part of the tour then!
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 01:48 AM

Quote:

I went and found your first tour in the Best of Moparts...I somehow missed it the first time around. The stories and pics are just amazing. Lots of great history too.

When do you plan on coming back? Too bad you managed to miss Moparfest. Usually a few c-bodies and foward look cars.

Dave




I was at the Woodward cruise looking for Hans as he was supposed to go with me to Moparfest, but he went to the Wiper factory instead...
Posted By: GetAwayDriver

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 04:14 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I went and found your first tour in the Best of Moparts...I somehow missed it the first time around. The stories and pics are just amazing. Lots of great history too.

When do you plan on coming back? Too bad you managed to miss Moparfest. Usually a few c-bodies and foward look cars.

Dave




I was at the Woodward cruise looking for Hans as he was supposed to go with me to Moparfest, but he went to the Wiper factory instead...




I'd love to go to Moparfest too, I will provide a C-body of some kind! Cross your fingers and I might have a new job soon. No more Wiper tours, but maybe CTC...
Posted By: TJP

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 05:22 AM

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Thanks for taking the time and posting all those great pics. This thread was awesome and needs to be in the Best of Moparts.

Dave




Thanks for looking and the kind words!




Agree 1000 times over, Cannot thank you enough for sharing. WOW there's a mixture of everything, maybe a bit heavy on the Mopar side but YEEHA they ruled back in the day. You might think about compiling this onto someplace I can share with people not on Moparts. WOW AWESOME, AMAZING and thanks for sharing

Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 10:08 AM

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I'd love to go to Moparfest too, I will provide a C-body of some kind! Cross your fingers and I might have a new job soon. No more Wiper tours, but maybe CTC...




Hmmm, funny as the CTC is still on my bucket list...

Good luck man!!!
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 10:13 AM

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Thanks for taking the time and posting all those great pics. This thread was awesome and needs to be in the Best of Moparts.

Dave




Thanks for looking and the kind words!




Agree 1000 times over, Cannot thank you enough for sharing. WOW there's a mixture of everything, maybe a bit heavy on the Mopar side but YEEHA they ruled back in the day. You might think about compiling this onto someplace I can share with people not on Moparts. WOW AWESOME, AMAZING and thanks for sharing






Much appreciated, just send a link to your friends not on Moparts...but I am actually thinking of doing a website as I have tons of old photos and other stuff that would be cool to share as well...
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 04:35 PM

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Thanks for taking the time and posting all those great pics. This thread was awesome and needs to be in the Best of Moparts.

Dave




Thanks for looking and the kind words!




Agree 1000 times over, Cannot thank you enough for sharing. WOW there's a mixture of everything, maybe a bit heavy on the Mopar side but YEEHA they ruled back in the day. You might think about compiling this onto someplace I can share with people not on Moparts. WOW AWESOME, AMAZING and thanks for sharing






Much appreciated, just send a link to your friends not on Moparts...but I am actually thinking of doing a website as I have tons of old photos and other stuff that would be cool to share as well...




It is about time, Hans! I am sure with all your free time it will be up in a matter of days...
Posted By: RSNOMO

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 07:25 PM

The Packard plant has a new owner...

A 'developer' from Peru...
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/13/13 09:52 PM

Hey Jim, you could offer me a better paying job so that I wouldn't have to work around the clock for peanuts! It would be for the common good, that's the way to go these days? Lol.

I've been following the Packard Plant thing, I sure wish this guy is able to save parts of the plant, it sure would be in the last minute. He seems to be an interesting character and plans to live on site.

http://www.freep.com/article/20131031/BUSINESS06/310310112/
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/14/13 01:03 AM

Lets hope someone comes in there and does something before it is lost.
Posted By: rdrnr6970

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/14/13 03:14 AM

just GREAT STUFF!
Posted By: 1970A13

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/14/13 04:32 AM

Love the black 1969 plymouth VIP at the happening,does it stand for Very Important Plymouth?
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/16/13 11:00 PM

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Love the black 1969 plymouth VIP at the happening,does it stand for Very Important Plymouth?




That's a big 10-4!
Posted By: 69_SIX_PACK

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 12/26/13 05:18 PM

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Thanks again Dave...plan to come over again next summer, hopefully Moparfest will be part of the tour then!




Its worthwhile going to. I am sure you would enjoy it.

Dave
Posted By: Forwardlook

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 02/17/14 12:27 PM

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Thanks again Dave...plan to come over again next summer, hopefully Moparfest will be part of the tour then!




Its worthwhile going to. I am sure you would enjoy it.

Dave




Holy cow! Less than 5 months to Carlisle! Have to start planning the 2014 edition! Canada, eh?
Posted By: SattyNoCar

Re: 2nd Mighty MoPar Midwest Tour in pics! - 03/09/14 03:58 PM


What are the chances of having this thread archived before it falls off the face of the internet?

Its stuff like this as to why I (try to) stay with Moparts, not idiots like docglass.

I'm hoping for a third installment from Hans this year.
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