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flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram

Posted By: fstfish66

flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/18/14 01:43 AM

any one know for sure the weight of a mopar flat head 6 1940 era,,,??? im having front coil springs made and car is apart so cant take it to weigh it,, I would like to compare the flat head 6 to a red ram 241 fro weight and go from there,,,thanks in advance,,
Posted By: poorboy

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/18/14 04:32 PM

I can't give you numbers, but we pulled a flathead 6 with a 3 speed trans out of a 47 Plymouth coupe and installed a 360 with a 727. If I (around 240 lbs then) stood on the front frame (which was directly above the springs) the car returned to the height it was before we swapped the motors (this was less sheetmetal). My guess is that would put the flathead 6 with its attached 3 speed around 650-700 lbs or about 100-150 lbs heavier then a 360/727. They were not light weight motors. Gene
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/18/14 09:22 PM

GENE, thanks for your input,,, reason im asking is im putting new coils in my 40 coupe, and didnt want to put a standard spring in if the rem ram was that much heavier,,, i guess ill stay with standard
Posted By: dogdays

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/19/14 03:40 AM

Red Ram 241 - 270 580 lb. Source:
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Early_Hemi_engine_specifications

On to the six cylinders:
Slant 6, 475 lb. I believe as the Slant was intended to be made out of aluminum, which would save about 100 lb, that the 218 would weigh something more than 375 lb. My thinking, the designers of the "new Slant Six" would have wanted to make the new six lighter and more powerful than the old flathead. Also, a similar size Studebaker flathead six weighs in at 404 lb. I would guess the complete 218 would weigh right at 425 lb.

Hows that for guesswork?

R.
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/25/14 10:56 PM

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Red Ram 241 - 270 580 lb. Source:
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Early_Hemi_engine_specifications

On to the six cylinders:
Slant 6, 475 lb. I believe as the Slant was intended to be made out of aluminum, which would save about 100 lb, that the 218 would weigh something more than 375 lb. My thinking, the designers of the "new Slant Six" would have wanted to make the new six lighter and more powerful than the old flathead. Also, a similar size Studebaker flathead six weighs in at 404 lb. I would guess the complete 218 would weigh right at 425 lb.

Hows that for guesswork?

R.




ur guess may be better then mine thats why im asking,,LOL ive seen guesses from 450 to 700 lbs,,,, trying to figure out if i need to go to a stiffer coil spring rate or not,,,thanks
Posted By: dogdays

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/26/14 01:19 AM

The smaller Six wasn't really that big of an engine. Now the 251 which was found in Chryslers would be about 100lb more, it was beefy.

Keep in mind that the Red Ram will have a center of gravity farther back in the chassis than the six, so there may not be all that much extra weight on the front end. That's if you put the engine towards the back of the engine compartment.

R.
Posted By: poorboy

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/26/14 02:43 AM

I'm betting that flathead 6 is heavier then you guys think. Gene
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/26/14 06:14 AM

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The smaller Six wasn't really that big of an engine. Now the 251 which was found in Chryslers would be about 100lb more, it was beefy.

Keep in mind that the Red Ram will have a center of gravity farther back in the chassis than the six, so there may not be all that much extra weight on the front end. That's if you put the engine towards the back of the engine compartment.

R.




thanks for the reply
Posted By: fstfish66

Re: flat head 6 weight vs dodge red ram - 03/26/14 06:16 AM

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I'm betting that flathead 6 is heavier then you guys think. Gene




GENE thats what i keep reading,,il assume its as heavy or maybe alittle more then my 241 red ram,,guess i will stay with a stock type front replacement coil spring
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