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deep oil pans on the street...dilemma

Posted By: an8sec70cuda

deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:04 PM

I want to gain some ground clearance w/ my oil pan. I have a single line ext. Milodon oil system and currently using the 31015 Milodon pan. It's their normal deep sump w/ the single hole for the pickup. I'm tired of it leaking from repairs after hitting pavement.

The 30931 pan is what I need, but I already have a 30930 pan in the shop that I could put on. The 30930 is the low profile pan but does not have the hole for the external pickup. Putting the hole in it isn't a problem, my concern is that the sides of the pan are not flat so the static pickup will be tilted.
I don't think it would be an issue as long as the pickup is placed as low as possible in the sump, but I'd like to hear from someone who has done it.
Anyone have any input/advice/horror stories?
Thanks

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Posted By: lowflyingdart

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:12 PM

Every time I have seen this done with a 30930, the pick up is in the back of the pan. On the flat side not the angled side.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:16 PM

Quote:

Every time I have seen this done with a 30930, the pick up is in the back of the pan. On the flat side not the angled side.


Posted By: Dragula

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:19 PM

Quote:

I want to gain some ground clearance w/ my oil pan. I have a single line ext. Milodon oil system and currently using the 31015 Milodon pan. It's their normal deep sump w/ the single hole for the pickup. I'm tired of it leaking from repairs after hitting pavement.

The 30931 pan is what I need, but I already have a 30930 pan in the shop that I could put on. The 30930 is the low profile pan but does not have the hole for the external pickup. Putting the hole in it isn't a problem, my concern is that the sides of the pan are not flat so the static pickup will be tilted.
I don't think it would be an issue as long as the pickup is placed as low as possible in the sump, but I'd like to hear from someone who has done it.
Anyone have any input/advice/horror stories?

Thanks






Had the same issue for years. Wiped out a number of pans, finally went custom. There are a couple of places out there, get one made to your specs, and I think you won't look back...Just don't use a Charlies!









Posted By: moparacer

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:25 PM

Yep I have a horror story....I ran the 31010 for 3 years with no problems. I just put a 30930 on mine last week to solve my pan clearance problems and after 2 and a half passes spun #6 rod bearing...Evidently moving a lot more oil to the top then I ever imagined and it uncovered the pickup on launch I think.

The pickups for the 30930 pan are slighly further froward and that coupled with the fact that the bottom of the pan is wider which lowered my oil level even further must have created the situation which almost cost me the engine...
Posted By: 68X426

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 06:36 PM

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...Just don't use a Charlies!



Why not?
Posted By: BradH

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 07:03 PM

Even the 30930 is 7" deep and still a good candidate to get by a speed bump in a parking lot. That's the only reason why I haven't considered running one, even though I'd really like a bigger & deeper pan than the "Street Hemi" 6-qt style.
Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 07:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

...Just don't use a Charlies!



Why not?





Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 07:25 PM

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Even the 30930 is 7" deep and still a good candidate to get by a speed bump in a parking lot. That's the only reason why I haven't considered running one, even though I'd really like a bigger & deeper pan than the "Street Hemi" 6-qt style.



I agree, but I'll take that 3/4" even though it isn't much. Pretty much my only option unless I want to go to a pan like you're using...which I don't think would be a good idea on my motor.
Posted By: Baxter61

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 09:25 PM

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I agree, but I'll take that 3/4" even though it isn't much.




said that before
Posted By: Ari440

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/20/11 10:31 PM







Posted By: RV2

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 12:41 AM

I'm having the same concern's with street driving and this pan, I bought the 440 source 7 quart pan which has a flat side to it so I plan to install my external oiling system on it.

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Posted By: RV2

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 12:43 AM

Another shot

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Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 01:34 AM

adding an inch or 2 to a street hemi pan would be ideal
Posted By: 68 HEMI GTS

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 01:56 AM

i cut the side out of this pan and added a thicker plate so the pickup would mount straight.

Posted By: BradH

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 04:52 PM

Quote:

Quote:

...Just don't use a Charlies!



Why not?



Curious here, too. I thought Charlie's stuff was highly rated.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 04:56 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

...Just don't use a Charlies!



Why not?



Curious here, too. I thought Charlie's stuff was highly rated.


Maybe that poster is a naysayer with no personel experiences What sya you naysayer
Posted By: therocks

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 06:34 PM

Ive run a 8 qt Morosr pan on the 65 for probally 12 years.Never any problems.Ohio roads are terrible.Its never come close to hitting.Rocky
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 08:02 PM

Milodon makes a low profile pan not with the hole, and a flat side so the pickup screws in flat. My buddy has had one for a few years. Not sure of the part #, but I know you can buy them. Also Frieburger has a different pan on his HEMI Super Bee that has even more clearence.

Jeff
Posted By: galen

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 09:01 PM

I have two Charlies pans, belvedere has one more quart capacity and 1 1/2" more ground clearance than the milodon. He built another custom to my deminsions for the boat. No leaks and love them both.
Posted By: 383man

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 11:01 PM

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Ive run a 8 qt Morosr pan on the 65 for probally 12 years.Never any problems.Ohio roads are terrible.Its never come close to hitting.Rocky





Same here as I never have any problems with my Moroso pan. Ron
Posted By: old yeller

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/21/11 11:19 PM

63 New Yorker..8 quart pan never had a oil pan problems on the street!
Posted By: BradH

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/22/11 02:16 PM

I'd like to know how much ground clearance the guys w/ the deep pans have that say they've never had problems hitting or scraping them on the street. I know Chip's car sits pretty low up front, as does my Challenger, which does create a legit issue when using pans that hang well below the k-member.
Posted By: 383man

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/22/11 02:50 PM

Brad this pic gives a pretty good idea of how much room my pan has. Its a 7qt Moroso pan. Ron


Posted By: BradH

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/22/11 03:30 PM

Not sure if this pic gives a good idea of how much ground clearance I'd have if there was 2" of oil pan hanging down below the k-member.



I'm leaning heavily at this point to just keeping the low-tech Street Hemi pan and adding an oil accumulator to address potential cavitation issues.

Chip - Sorry for semi-hijacking your thread.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/22/11 04:15 PM

BradH...no problem, all good info. And yes, my car sits kinda low up front like your's does.

W/ 28" tall front tires I have about 3" of ground clearance. I'll have to measure it again to be sure, but it isn't much. Hot summers and a lot of beach traffic are terrible on asphault and cause bad ruts. My last trip to the beach I snagged one coming back through Conway and cracked the pan bad. I made it home w/o hurting anything, but the pan drained itself in a matter of minutes once I stopped in the driveway.

The low profile Milodons will get me another 3/4" of clearance. I hate to raise the front of the car any w/ the torsion bars b/c it hooks great and it seems to be sensitive to frontend changes. Not to mention I have the stance where I like it.

A deepened 6 pack pan would be nice, but w/ 4.5" of stroke will it cause me any more windage issues?
I don't really want to spend $260 on the low profile Milodon pan w/ ext. p/u when I have the other pan here I could drill a hole in.

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Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/22/11 08:42 PM

Go to auto supply store and replace the small rubber lower control bumper with the large pointed one. I installed one on each side pf my Cuda and it solved my pan rubbing problem.
Posted By: 572charger

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/23/11 11:07 AM

chip ive got a charlies 10 qt ss pan and i had a 1/4 aluminum skid plate welded to it ! need the big pan for all the windage from the big stroke !!!
Posted By: bwdst6

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/23/11 01:04 PM

Just to through this out there... All of your clearance problems would go away with a tubular front end or a cut up k-member (via SS/AH). Then you could run pretty much near a dragster pan at that point. And you don’t need a deep pan to control windage.

Last Saturday morning I drove mine to the nearest gas station I could find at Norwalk. I needed to fill up with all the runs I was making at the track. I ran into a very tore up section of construction and didn’t have any problems. And I run a 25.5 diameter front tire!
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/23/11 02:07 PM

oldtimer...I already have bigger bumpstops, came in the poly energy suspension kit I installed years ago. I don't see how that would help though...it scrapes when sitting neutral, not nose-diving as if you slammed on the brakes. Unless you somehow used them to raise the ride height, which I do not want to do.

572charger and bwdst6...thanks, but a fancy new pan or a tubular frontend are out of the question right now. Just got done building a house, so the car budget is slim to say the least. If I had the money I'd definitely do it though.
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 03:00 AM

Don`t use a hard rubber stop. Adjust them to about 1/8 of clearance before they touch.The soft rubber between the lca and frame makes a positive stop but will give enough for a smooth settling of the front end.
Posted By: David_in_St_Croi

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 03:16 AM

We are running a Moroso on the 70 RR. Used to have a Milodon. After I killed the 383 (nothing to so with the oil pan) DRAM refused to put it back on given the dents and the fact it showed up at his shop with a wad of JB Weld on it. He said the Moroso seems to be thicker and is a bit more robust. I would have to agree, even though the Moroso has some dents now. On the other hand, we regularly drive up a road most of you guys would use a flat bed to take your cars up. What I do is to crank up the front end for street driving (basically go for the A/FX look), then lower it at the track. I just count the turns, that might be an option for you. We also have 1" torsion bars which helps. I would like to find a set of cheap 15" wheels to replace the 14" Rallyes to gain more ground clearance but with the house build the finances are tight. Some of the situations we deal with (I am not complaining, it is all about the adventure and the journey), if I can make my oil pan survive this..:

After 12" of rain in 24 hours:


Another day during a tropical wave:



Plus we have potholes on the "paved" streets that you know are deep as there is grass a foot tall growing in them.



Posted By: DusterDave

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 04:12 AM

Dave, is that an early-1960's Land Rover?
Posted By: David_in_St_Croi

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 04:38 AM

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Dave, is that an early-1960's Land Rover?




Yes, it is a 67 Series 2A 88 (Short Wheelbase, 88") Land Rover. It is my wife's daily driver, and has hauled the 70 RR up this same road more than once. It is RHD (we drive on the left here, UK and OZ style) and she learned to drive a stick on our other Land Rover, also a 67 but a 109 (Long Wheelbase, 109") 4 door diesel and they are both RHD so she only knows how to shift with her left hand. They are non-synchromesh in 1st and 2nd, she can double clutch like a pro and has actually won money in the brackets with it.





So, have I completely derailed the thread?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 04:39 AM

I will assume that you dont weld or have access to
someone that does... I'm in the process of building a
new pan for my SB to fit my Rampage... I want 5" of
ground clearance(from curb height)... I was going to
add 2.5" to the stock pan but I didnt like the clearance
so I will add 1" to the currant sump depth but add
that all the way to the rear... its pretty easy to
figure out what you are adding... 231 cu inches to
a gal/4 is a QT... when you add length or width you
need to add trap doors and baffles.... of course you
need to build a new pick up(at least I do so I can
have the PU in the rear)

Posted By: moparniac

Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma - 09/24/11 07:41 AM

30931 pan is 7" deep(I had the 30930 in my chally and worked great)! I had one in dart and my car is low! a guy needed it and I traded him stuff for it... I put the source pan on the dart now and drilled a hole in the side of it with a hole saw and put in the milodon static pickup and it is the same depth! (just figured i'd throw that out there to save ya some funds but may have to ovlong some of the pan rail holes to get it to fit.... but a trick cool looking pan for the price and has a made in USA sticker on it other than that I'd drill a hole around back as suggested.


EDIT:
dont see the pan on source site anymore....
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