SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?

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To be honest, clearances were checked by eyeball and feel.

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I would start here.....

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Famous last words from many people.

I NEVER trust anyone on their work. I check every rod, every pin bushing, everything with my own measurments. That way the machinist cant say, "you should have checked it"...


This is what pisses me off with some of these posts. You have a history of engine failure, and you dont want to measure things after they are machined. Yes you may have them right on, but ya know then you may have a good GM machinist, and a crappy mopar machinist. Why be a bone head?


Kasey

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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump.
If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.


My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean

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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump.
If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.


My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean

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Myself I would pass on the double pick ups... as
stated, if one sucks air its done... I havent ever
had a problem with a single stock pick up... I do
extend them when I deepen the pans plus I install
baffles in the pan to keep the oil down there instead
of rolling up the back wall or the front on braking

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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump.
If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.


My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean

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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump.
If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.


My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean

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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump.
If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.

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Two pickups = bad idea and totally unnecessary IMO. You need to look else where for your oiling problems.

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It takes a lot of oil to keep up with the 360 main bearings. I have had shops try to set it up with too much clearance and it would pump the pan dry with a high volume pump. Alway ran a high volume with the 360 mains I ran. I would however try a standard pump with 340 mains.

Are you sure the plug in the drivers side rear of the oil galley is in place. I have seen many left out and had big problems. I also ran a roller cam with the oil galley tubed. Ran Harland SHarps and restricted oil to the heads also. Holley #66 main jet works great on the Passenger side and #72 on the drivers side. The cam I ran had the journal ground to oil the rockers full time. Spun that puppy 8400 in the quarter with no problems.

I think you have clearance extremes or oil control problems that are not getting the oil back to the pan. Wait, truck pans are only 6 quarts. Will a KEVCO pan work they are bigger. Probably 8 quarts.

Another thing if you are running too much ignition timing you may be beating the oil out of the bearings.

Leon

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Thanks Colt340 for the diagram.

Wonder why people/company's have been trying to modify oil pump intake capacity??

Its because the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil.

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Wonder why people/company's have been trying to modify oil pump intake capacity??

Its because the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil.

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It depends on the HP, rpm and application (drag, road racing, circle track, etc.). One has to know what is needed, not just go by what a company says. Companies try to sell things so they can make a profit. Some things are bad, some can't hurt and some do help. But the blanket statement "the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil" is simply wrong. It sounds like a comment from a Chevy fan! There are plenty of strong running small block Mopars that don't have anything fancy done to their oiling systems.

I've been racing for 33+ years and continue to learn new things, including from here, on moparts. People are trying to help and offer different perspectives. Take some of the advice.

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You guys crack me up.

Congrats on your 33 years of racing but dude, i'm not impressed with condescending posts or your insistance that I bow to your persistant drumming of what you think I need to do to fix my oiling problem.
I say again... I was not looking for advice on what might cause bearing failure or anything else other than if folks had any experience with a two pick up pump.

I got the rest covered.

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You guys crack me up.

Congrats on your 33 years of racing but dude, i'm not impressed with condescending posts or your insistance that I bow to your persistant drumming of what you think I need to do to fix my oiling problem.
I say again... I was not looking for advice on what might cause bearing failure or anything else other than if folks had any experience with a two pick up pump.

I got the rest covered.

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I think you should maybe go with 3 or even 4 pickups
that way you'll be 3 or 4 times as good

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Hey moparnut426
did u not just read the previous post from the roundtrack guy who said he always used dual pickups??
Whats your big response to that??
Don't have one? You just waiting to see what one of your heroes thinks first so u can agree with them from afar?

Why don't u call him hard headed and foolished too?
C'mon let's hear it, tell him how stupid he is and how he should listen to YOU cause read it on Moparts.

Evidently this MOPAR round tracker has found a practical application for a dual pick up set up and it performs the function as he needs it to. U wanna gripe about the result cause the execution doesn't suit your vision?

Take an ambien, you don't impress me.

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2 pick ups is fine.

I wouldn't know where to plum any more pick up tubes there mr p brain

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I understand your just a moron and you can help it
but if you could just open your little brain up to
some KNOWN FACTS it could help you... but since you
dont even check anything on a engine build it doesnt
suprize me in the slightest.... continue blowing up
your JUNK

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You can check out my JUNK on the Muncie dragway website. check out the Pro winner for 8-20-2011.
the winner is sporting one of my engines in her 67 Rambler.

When was the last time one of u bitches won anything??

thats what I thought. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it.
I'M OUT
kisses

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You sound more and more like one of those POPOFFS from the bullet. Are you sure you arent running a Chevy, you sound like ya do.

LATER dude..

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You can check out my JUNK on the Muncie dragway website. check out the Pro winner for 8-20-2011.
the winner is sporting one of my engines in her 67 Rambler.

When was the last time one of u bitches won anything??

thats what I thought. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it.
I'M OUT
kisses

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Oh I have won plenty...I have the pics to prove it...
not like some BS... oh I built the engine thats in the
winners circle... like thats really gonna happen
when you dont check a damn thing..... your the one
thats blowing up your junk.... not me.... what a idiot...
just do what ever you feel like... you didnt want to hear
what you wanted

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Hey Mike, Ya ever wonder why the post office sucks,

Here is a prime example, they never check anything.

It isnt gonna make any difference by responding, though it great fun, he isnt gonna listen to logic.

Kasey

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No... he'll never catch on... when you get that smart
(can you say idiot) if he doesnt hear what he wants
to hear then the whole world is dumb
The dual pick he showed was a bad idea but the pic
that was shown later is good... it had a single pick
up point (larger) with dual inlets to the pump...
that way it would only pick up air if the pan was dry
unlike his version

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"dodge/plymouth performance" by larry schreib and larry atherton mentions the dual pickups for the SB.
engineer bob tarozzi did lube testing for the trans-am and USAC racing efforts.
he found that the best pump performance was with two pickups-- each one inch/16an in diameter.
may be worth tracking that book down to read up if you're interested.

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"dodge/plymouth performance" by larry schreib and larry atherton mentions the dual pickups for the SB.
engineer bob tarozzi did lube testing for the trans-am and USAC racing efforts.
he found that the best pump performance was with two pickups-- each one inch/16an in diameter.
may be worth tracking that book down to read up if you're interested.

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And the one that was shown was the one that was
released(in the attachment in this post)... I know
the testing you are referring to
EDIT
and that was for road racing

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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??

oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...

hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?

Sorry U lose this arguement

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Hey idiot... the item that that 340 colt shown was the
released pick up.... thats a SINGLE pick up with 2
lines entering into the pump.... try your version
and see what happens... bet you blow up another engine...
I'm positive I have more R&D work than you will ever
have

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yes I am aware of that P Brain, i saw the diagram of it posted. I may try that.

Yes u r the R and D champion of the world, i do not dispute that. but u don't know it all.

its ok if somebody knows something u don't

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There are PLENTY of people that know more than me...
but your not one of them.... now if you want to stop
your BS you COULD learn something... not from me
because I dont care what you do, but there are plenty
of smart people that WERE trying to help you...
with your no more than a stock rpm engine that keeps
blowing up...... good luck

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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??

oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...

hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?

Sorry U lose this arguement

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My motor starving for oil.
The book "How to build SB engines says that the pick up tube is too small.
Will two pick up tubes work.

lets hear all your views, Please
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This is the original post just in case all the hot heads missed this.

We have all went through our experiences simply to point out some mistakes we have made or seen. Not to undermind but, to try and point out the obvious.

My thoughts are two seperate pickups are not effective if you have oil starvation for more than a couple seconds. The reason is air is easier to pull than oil. If you dry one pickup tube up then the pump is going to pull air until oil covers the pickup again.

If you really feel you have a limited pickup. How about blocking off the stock port. Then make up a new one in the pump cap that is larger but stick with a single pickup. A swinger is probably the best deal becuase it is a single pickup but should swing back and fourth during acceleration and braking.

I know you are tired of hearing this but the best advise has already been given. A larger pan with baffles. I have noticed Kevco makes a large pan. Moroso makes a 360 only rear sump 8 quart. I have a couple custom aluminum pans for sale with scraper screens and baffles. This is probably the most proven method for drag race applications.

Leon

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a dual pick up works, I used one back in about 1988 or so , but you need to route both tubes to one pick up and control oil with a good pan.
If its needed is a different story...

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What your saying is you had 1 pick up and 2 supply lines
basically like what was shown in the attachment and
yes that single pick up is fine

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Oh well thanks for your blessing Mr P Body, now u can hang with us cool kids.

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I'm not giving you any blessing and I prefer not to
hang with you .... and I really doubt your cool...
do what ever you want and when it blows up maybe
you will look else where next time

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Oh well thanks for your blessing Mr P Body, now u can hang with us cool kids.

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thanks for the post Leon.
i am going to modify the pan or go to a different pan all together, which has been my plan.

i am real limited to the pan design because of the chassis of the Rambler with this chrylser motor in in. Its got to be a truck pan.

I had the pump cap and pick up made. The strainer is exact dimension of a milodon. Not even sure yet how my two pickup pump fits into the pan or if it will. If it doesn't then i will run the 2 line feed into one pick up. I like that idea pretty good too. My original plan was to block off the stock pick up orifice.

Changing cranks, putting the cast Eagle in it. It only costs $240 and they carry better oil pressure than stock cranks.

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working on the oil control problem is exactly what I am doing gentleman.

not using 2 pick ups on one tube.Either using 2 pick ups or one pick up with 2 tubes.
look at the picture from post number one please

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Does anyone on here have a simple diagram of a basic hydraulic system. A pressureized oiling system is basically like a hydrailic system without any cylinders. If air ever gets in the system it causes cavitation regardless if there is 2 separate placed to sump oil from. Its like a soda straw, poke a hole inn it, and is sucks to suck through. Air causes air bubbles, or voids in the oil, causing cavitation, causing oil starvation causing wear on the pump rotors, and causing connecting rods to exit stage left.

2 sumps are only going to work if they BOTH never lose suction, and of you are already sucking a pan dry with one, 2 will suck more, causing the problem to happen sooner. I think this is where you arent quite getting the idea. unless oil returns faster, and you have MORE area to hold more oil, you will not change anything, but make it worse.

we need a beating the dead horse smiley.

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Just mount this on the hood

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Nobody even commented on my idea... I think it's at least at good as the OP

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You bought junk from Dan??

I bought a couple sets of K-1 rods from him i thought they were outstanding. I hope he will help me with my next purchase.

I seriously doubt if your running high dollar cranks like Bryant or Callies.
Name calling?? Go back and read your posts and count the number of times u threw a name my way. PLEAZE

i can tell your more of a wannabe, but thats ok, guy like you has to reach for the stars

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