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Engine Pressure Blowing Oil

Posted By: dumbdog70

Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 02:55 PM

Have a 440 stroker with stealth heads roller cam. Had it to drags last night after first pass came back to pits. Dipstick was blown halfway out of tube, oil was coming out of breather and pcv valve, also valley pan was ballooned up to where it was touching the bottom of the intake. Car has 1 push in breather and a pcv valve. Does it need another breather? any ideas? Thanks
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 02:59 PM

Too much oil, tired motor, broken ring, wrong location of breather? Is it a new build? New pan? Does it smoke? Need more info.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:02 PM

Sounds like you have some serious pressure in there...
do a leak down
Posted By: dumbdog70

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:09 PM

It is a new build. New pan new everything. Doesnt smoke. Engine runs great never had an issue driving on street. Even with a highway high speed runs. Breather is in the location provided on valve cover. toward front of engine pass side. Pcv rear driver side
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:09 PM

Make sure the breather is open - not pushed in against the oil baffle, etc. If there are no breather restrictions, it's time for a leak down test. At idle, if the PCV valve is working properly and you have good ring seal, you should actually have a negative pressure in the crankcase.
Posted By: dumbdog70

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:12 PM

Ill do a leak down test. oil level is good. Not to much oil at least according to the markings on the dipstick
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:13 PM

What do you have for an oil pan? Is it possible that you have too much oil in it?
Posted By: dumbdog70

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:17 PM

It is a 7 quart pan i dont know the manufacturer. MP chrome dipstick
filled to what i think is the appropriate level.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 03:24 PM

The reason I ask is that I have a Moroso 7 quart pan on mine..If I went with the full 7 quarts it would blow oil. Started using 6 1/2 quarts and the smoke problem went away...Go figure!!
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 04:05 PM

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Have a 440 stroker with stealth heads roller cam. Had it to drags last night after first pass came back to pits. Dipstick was blown halfway out of tube, oil was coming out of breather and pcv valve, also valley pan was ballooned up to where it was touching the bottom of the intake. Car has 1 push in breather and a pcv valve. Does it need another breather? any ideas? Thanks




The last motor I saw like this had some serious probs ... like a dime-sized hole in one of the pistons.

As suggested before .... do a leak-down test or AT LEAST a compression check. To blow-up a valley pan like that requires some BIG TIME blow-by.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 05:53 PM

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It is a 7 quart pan i dont know the manufacturer. MP chrome dipstick
filled to what i think is the appropriate level.


How many quarts did it take to get it to the appropriate level?I had one motor that was ina used car that the owner had used a mix bag of parts, oil pan, oil pan pickup and Mopar chrome dipstick tube and dipstick. the dipstick said is was full when it had 2.5 quarts in the pan when I drained it and measured it, after it spun a rod bearing I now calibrate all the dipsticks on my new or used motors by measuring the quarts used compared to the dipstick readings
Posted By: Dabee

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 06:55 PM

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I now calibrate all the dipsticks on my new or used motors by measuring the quarts used compared to the dipstick readings




Dipsticks are like people, no two dipsticks are alike. Calibrate it.
Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 07:01 PM

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I now calibrate all the dipsticks on my new or used motors by measuring the quarts used compared to the dipstick readings




Dipsticks are like people, no two dipsticks are alike. Calibrate it.




Same here....the 408 with 8qt Moroso pan showed a quart low on the new stick I just installed....going to cut .5" off the tube

Rickster
Posted By: mopardamo

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 08:15 PM

Hello,

I had some similar problems on a car with a full exhaust. The tubing was not welded to the end of the reducer. The tubing was inserted past the reducer end over an inch. This caused a bunch of back pressure that only showed up for me at the track. Intake leaks, dipstick pushed up, ballooned up pan, leaks etc. This was a fresh motor also. Do you have a full exhaust?

Damon
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 08:19 PM

Quote:

Hello,

I had some similar problems on a car with a full exhaust. The tubing was not welded to the end of the reducer. The tubing was inserted past the reducer end over an inch. This caused a bunch of back pressure that only showed up for me at the track. Intake leaks, dipstick pushed up, ballooned up pan, leaks etc. This was a fresh motor also. Do you have a full exhaust?

Damon




What are you referring to when you say tubing
Posted By: dumbdog70

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 09:06 PM

I do have full exhaust. 3 inch flowmasters exit out the rear. Buddy is having similar issues. Really the only common thing between engines are the stealth heads. I did notice that on those heads where the push rods go thru them there is just a hole for the pushrod they are not"open" like a cast iron head. Dont know that that makes any difference just an observation. Im going to change the oil noting the amount and do the leak down test. I did pull the breather and pcv valve they are extremely close to the baffle in the valve cover about 1/8 inch
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 09:16 PM

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I do have full exhaust. 3 inch flowmasters exit out the rear. Buddy is having similar issues. Really the only common thing between engines are the stealth heads. I did notice that on those heads where the push rods go thru them there is just a hole for the pushrod they are not"open" like a cast iron head. Dont know that that makes any difference just an observation. Im going to change the oil noting the amount and do the leak down test. I did pull the breather and pcv valve they are extremely close to the baffle in the valve cover about 1/8 inch




ABOUT a 1/8" is getting close... if its closer than
that it could build pressure... are you running a
E-vac system with a full exhaust
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 10:50 PM

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I do have full exhaust. 3 inch flowmasters exit out the rear. Buddy is having similar issues. Really the only common thing between engines are the stealth heads. I did notice that on those heads where the push rods go thru them there is just a hole for the pushrod they are not"open" like a cast iron head. Dont know that that makes any difference just an observation. Im going to change the oil noting the amount and do the leak down test. I did pull the breather and pcv valve they are extremely close to the baffle in the valve cover about 1/8 inch


1/8" is gonna be to close, especially when things are oil soaked. Could be a combo of things, including over filled. Any kind of aftermarker pan requires remarking your dip stick for the amount of oil you want to use. Don't believe the exhaust or pushrod holes are your problem.
Posted By: dumbdog70

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 10:54 PM

No no e vac system. should I get one?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/06/11 11:24 PM

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No no e vac system. should I get one?




No... not with a full exhaust... a E-vac will pull a
max of 5"hg and with a exhaust for every inch of back
pressure you reduce the effectiveness by that same amount
so if the exhaust is greater than 5"hg it will pressurize
the crank case
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 12:14 AM

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No no e vac system. should I get one?




No... not with a full exhaust... a E-vac will pull a
max of 5"hg and with a exhaust for every inch of back
pressure you reduce the effectiveness by that same amount
so if the exhaust is greater than 5"hg it will pressurize
the crank case





Mr P,I thought the one way valve for the evac system would prevent that from occuring.
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 12:21 AM

The last time my engine blew out the dip stick, buckled the valley pan and blew oil everywhere I wiped a exhaust cam lobe. What kind of cam do you have?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 12:24 AM

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Quote:

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No no e vac system. should I get one?




No... not with a full exhaust... a E-vac will pull a
max of 5"hg and with a exhaust for every inch of back
pressure you reduce the effectiveness by that same amount
so if the exhaust is greater than 5"hg it will pressurize
the crank case





Mr P,I thought the one way valve for the evac system would prevent that from occuring.




If you start backing up that heat, that valve wont
last for a minute
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 04:33 AM

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No no e vac system. should I get one?


Forget the Evac system. Weather you have one or not is not your problem. Step the PCV away from the oil baffle at least 1/4" - minumum and hook the hose to a vacuum source ( vacuum at idle, not ported vacuum ). Leave the breather off on the other valve cover. Fire it up and at idle put your hand over the open breather hole. You should feel some amount of suction ( even with a stout cam ). If it starts to pressurise right away, you have excessive blow-by for some reason.
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 11:23 AM

On a motor that size I would consider a crank scraper. The 7 qt system is marginal and windage may continue to give you problems.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 05:48 PM

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On a motor that size I would consider a crank scraper. The 7 qt system is marginal and windage may continue to give you problems.


Anything you can do to control windage will make the car faster
Posted By: mopardamo

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 07:41 PM

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Hello,

I had some similar problems on a car with a full exhaust. The tubing was not welded to the end of the reducer. The tubing was inserted past the reducer end over an inch. This caused a bunch of back pressure that only showed up for me at the track. Intake leaks, dipstick pushed up, ballooned up pan, leaks etc. This was a fresh motor also. Do you have a full exhaust?

Damon




What are you referring to when you say tubing





The 2.5" exhaust pipe was inserted thru the reducer and not mated to the end of the reducer just off the header collector. Caused a heck of a reversion that caused back pressure into the heads and then into the chambers from what I can tell. When the exhaust was corrected the problems went away. No other changes were done.

Damon
Posted By: dOc !

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 08:43 PM

Man ... people talking about PCV tubes, windage trays and scrapers ......

I talked to a Bud of mine in FL last nite ... this topic was brought up and he actually TESTED THIS some years back.

He plumbed-in a air fitting into a motor he was going to rebuild ... and put 80 psi into the oil pan to BALLOON-UP the valley-pan like that.

What you have here is some major BLOW-BY ... like holes in pistons or busted up rings.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Engine Pressure Blowing Oil - 08/07/11 09:07 PM

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Man ... people talking about PCV tubes, windage trays and scrapers ......

I talked to a Bud of mine in FL last nite ... this topic was brought up and he actually TESTED THIS some years back.

He plumbed-in a air fitting into a motor he was going to rebuild ... and put 80 psi into the oil pan to BALLOON-UP the valley-pan like that.

What you have here is some major BLOW-BY ... like holes in pistons or busted up rings.


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