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Oil choice for flat tappet cam ?

Posted By: beepbeepdon

Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 04:42 PM

Hi All

I wanted some input as to who uses what oil with their flat tappet cam.I have a Hughes Racing flat tappet cam and engaged them and they recommend running either Joe Gibbs Hot Rod conventional or synthetic. I have been using Hughes Extreme Pressure additive and conv Pennzoil 20W/50 but from what I am told that I should start using an oil with high zinc content designed in the oil..I am just curious what you all use. I want to protect my engine/investment as much as possible....and not end up with a flat cam......Any input would be appreciated....Thanks ......btw The guys at Hughes are very professional and have always answered my questions and concerns
Posted By: Biginchmopar

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 04:44 PM

Joe Gibbs-they did all there research and it is the best oil out there.

Posted By: Super Scamp

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 04:50 PM

Brad Penn 20/50 High Zinc. Oil Made in USA.!!
Posted By: Locomotion

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 04:51 PM

You'll get plenty of answeres, the way I do it is.....

Break it in with a quality high zinc conventional oil, even adding a break-in additive, like from Comp Cams. However, Amsoil now has their own break-in oil!

Amsoil break-in oil

Then use a high zinc synthetic, which a wide variety can be found through Amsoil as well. I use their Dominator 5w-20 in my race car.

Amsoil tech bulletin on flat tappen cams and zinc

Amsoil source and additional info
Posted By: SILVER67

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 05:17 PM

Brad Penn
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 05:24 PM

i use the Brad Penn break in oil along with an additive for camshaft break in. after that, just the regular Brad Penn oil in the appropriate weight designation for the application.
Posted By: mistress

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 05:46 PM

You never said how big a lift or spring pressure you are running but if you follow hughes advice when breaking it in you won't have any problems.I ran a couple different flat cams from hughes before putting a roller in, and have always used brad penn 20w50
Posted By: 383man

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 05:59 PM

I just broke in my cam about 2 months ago. It is .634 and .630 lift with 1.6 rockers and I used Valvoline Racing oil with Comp break in additive. I did remove the inner springs when breaking in the cam but all went great with no problems at all. Ron
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 06:02 PM

Quote:

Joe Gibbs-they did all there research and it is the best oil out there.





I agree,I use the Gibbs assembly lube and break in oil.
As far as oil to use after the break in,I have been using the Gibbs Racing mineral oil,and have had absolutely no wear issues with flat tappet cam and lifter set ups.
If you go exactly by what Gibbs tells you,you don't want to add any additives to his stuff.
As far as adding a bottle of break in additive to other oils,a lot of guys have luck with it but I am getting away from that myself after a little research on how the zddp additives are blended.
I think it is better to have something designed for what you need than to mix your own.
Too much money invested in a good engine to comprimise with oils and additives anymore.
Keith
Posted By: beepbeepdon

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 07:38 PM

Thanks for all the responses......The motor was broke in on an engine dyno(inner springs removed) using 30w Pennzoil and Hughes additive....Since then made about 20 passes or so down the track using Pennzoil 20W50 + additive and was looking to change to a straight oil....So thanks again!!!

btw....Intake Valve Lift 1.6 .614"
Ext Valve Lift 1.6 .626"
Hughes springs,solid lifters & Hughes roller rocker setup
Posted By: 68X426

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 07:55 PM

Valvoline VR1 has high zinc content (14ppm) and phosphorus (13).

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/VR-1%20Racing%20Motor%20Oil.pdf
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 08:01 PM

Royal Purple full synthetic and Hughes additive. Running over a .6" lift Hyd. After 3 years ( and 2 sets of springs ), NO appreciative valve train ware.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 10:13 PM

I had a .672 lift (1.6 rocker) Hughes flat tappet for over 20 years and it's still good. I even had it in 2 different blocks with the same lifters. I used just the moly lube initially for break in with cheap convential oil and just the outer springs. After break in I added the inner springs and changed to Mobil 1 10w30. I had to add more spring pressure as it would valve float at 7500. I ended up running 140 on the seat and 440 over the nose with nothing more than 10w30 Mobil 1 all it's life. It is still a very usable cam. I was going to use it again in my 408 but a killer deal cam up on a solid roller with only 10 dyno pulls on it so that is what went into the new engine.
Posted By: CompSyn

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/26/11 11:14 PM

Quote:

Hi All

I wanted some input as to who uses what oil with their flat tappet cam.I have a Hughes Racing flat tappet cam and engaged them and they recommend running either Joe Gibbs Hot Rod conventional or synthetic. I have been using Hughes Extreme Pressure additive and conv Pennzoil 20W/50 but from what I am told that I should start using an oil with high zinc content designed in the oil..I am just curious what you all use. I want to protect my engine/investment as much as possible....and not end up with a flat cam......Any input would be appreciated....Thanks ......btw The guys at Hughes are very professional and have always answered my questions and concerns




Okay, since you specifically asked for "any input", here is mine.

There's a lot of marketing hype, personal opinion, and overall bias out there regarding motor oils.

If you like, you can look to an ASTM approved bench test for a preliminary evaluation of the overall anti-wear package of a few of the most popular high performance motor oils on the market.



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American Society of Testing and Materials(ASTM)

ASTM D4172 - 94(2010) Standard Test Method for Wear Preventive Characteristics of Lubricating Fluid (Four-Ball Method)

Significance and Use:

This test method can be used to determine the relative wear preventive properties of lubricating fluids in sliding contact under the prescribed test conditions. No attempt has been made to correlate this test with balls in rolling contact. The user of this test method should determine to his own satisfaction whether results of this test procedure correlate with field performance or other bench test machines..

1. Scope

1.1 This test method covers a procedure for making a preliminary evaluation of the anti-wear properties of fluid lubricants in sliding contact by means of the Four-Ball Wear Test Machine.

2. Test Conditions

132 pounds of applied pressure - 302 degrees Fahrenheit operating temperature - 1800 rpm - 1 hour duration.
Posted By: ahy

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/27/11 12:11 AM

I've had good results with Rotella T 15W40 plus STP.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/27/11 12:49 AM

Brad Penn racing semi-synthetic.

For added protectgion use a zinc additive (ZDDPlus etc).

There are a few good oils for that. But the price can vary a lot between them.
Posted By: beepbeepdon

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/27/11 04:03 PM

One more question if I may......Will switching from Pennzoil 20W50 conventional + additive to Joe Gibbs Full synthetic HR-4 10W30 after 20 or so passes harm the cam or motor....We broke it in on Pennzoil 30W + additive.....Thanks again everyone for all the info,I really appreciate it
Posted By: CoreyWilson

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/28/11 02:37 AM

I've been a fan of CenPeCo oil for a number of years now. A lot of truck pullers use their oil and swear by it. Talking to the rep, the 20w50 Race oil has 2400ppm zinc and 2200ppm of phosphate. Gotta order it through a dealer, but our local rep delivers all over the state with no delivery charge.
Posted By: ahy

Re: Oil choice for flat tappet cam ? - 07/28/11 03:19 AM

Quote:

One more question if I may......Will switching from Pennzoil 20W50 conventional + additive to Joe Gibbs Full synthetic HR-4 10W30 after 20 or so passes harm the cam or motor....We broke it in on Pennzoil 30W + additive.....Thanks again everyone for all the info,I really appreciate it




I don't think the switch from conventional to synthetic in general will hurt, however, that's a big change in viscosity. What does the engine want/need in terms of viscosity? Is 10W30 enough? Also, what are the zinc specs on the Joe Gibbs synthetic? If over 1300-1400 PPM should be ok in that area.
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