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big block roller lifters whats my options

Posted By: shoebox

big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 08:38 PM

i know T&D and jesel are the best and thats whats going to be recommened here but lets start by saying... it aint gonna happen. the high end stuff is way out of the budget. im talking more in the lines of howards,herbert,comp etc.. which ones/who's brand oils through the pushrods? im ethier going to do iron rockers from RAS or comp magnums in which i need BALL BALL pushrods.
so which roller lifters do you recommend for a budget 440
herbert,howards,lunati,etc...
Posted By: Dyno1

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 08:41 PM

Comp Cams
Posted By: Moparteacher

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 10:11 PM

Herberts. RAS on the rockers, shafts, hold downs. Manton oil fed adjusters.
Posted By: Dartin

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 10:16 PM

I'm happy with my Herberts.....

Randy
Posted By: Diablo

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 10:50 PM

comp cams will be just fine
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 11:01 PM

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comp cams will be just fine

Which Comp roller lifters? They have several choices with different features and price, so not all have all features. Direct oiled axles, offset pushrod seat, pushrod oiling, tall lifter body, etc.

For the original poster, what valve spring pressures (seat and open), lobe/valve lift, and rpm will you be running?
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 11:07 PM

Comp still hasn't started using our lifters so they're still available.
Low skirt, pushrod oiling, bearings oiled, and straight or .180 offset. Oil hole is moved as well to be out of the galley so it doesn't pump oil.

Attached picture 6461057-bbrollerlifter.jpg
Posted By: Diablo

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 11:11 PM

I was thinking of the 892's. Then he has the option of the .210 offset.

I would also recommend the lifters right above this post

If they had the .210 offset i would had ordered those a year ago.
Posted By: shoebox

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 11:17 PM

brian can i get a pm price check on somthing like that! looks good. i forgot about yours. folks the cams going to be somthing like 255 600 108 nothing too radical. i have some iron rockers that i want tot send to RAS for the works OR there are some comp magnums with the roller tip... but need pushrod oiling
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/06/11 11:23 PM

i use crowers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 12:26 AM

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i use crowers




Them's the ones I just started using also.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 12:58 AM

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Comp still hasn't started using our lifters so they're still available



Ok, who is "our" ???
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 02:47 AM

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Comp still hasn't started using our lifters so they're still available



Ok, who is "our" ???


IMM engines. I helped design these lifters with the manufacturer. Comp grinds cams...that's really it. Yes they do R&D, but most of the products they sell are made for them private label.
And EVERY other cam company does the same thing.

Comp now uses our sb design lifters, but so far they have not given a part # to the BB lifters so I'm free to sell them.
Brian
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 03:06 AM

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Comp still hasn't started using our lifters so they're still available



Ok, who is "our" ???


IMM engines. I helped design these lifters with the manufacturer. Comp grinds cams...that's really it. Yes they do R&D, but most of the products they sell are made for them private label.
And EVERY other cam company does the same thing.

Comp now uses our sb design lifters, but so far they have not given a part # to the BB lifters so I'm free to sell them.
Brian



I have a set of Brian's SB roller lifters with the
push rod oiling.... very nice lifter
Posted By: PETE@BESTMACHINE

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 03:50 AM

Brian what did you design on that lifter? I have talked the the same guy you get them from and they are his design. Its a comp AMC lifter. All the lifter you sell are made by the company Comp has contracted to manufacture them. If you use the lifter in your picture without bushing the block it with have oil pressure problems. If the block is bushed correctly you do not need the oil hole parallel with the axle. Just use the correct Comp Brand lifter and you will be fine. Brian its great to help people but to take credit for someone elses work, come on.
Posted By: shoebox

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 05:12 AM

Posted By: poppaj

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 05:42 AM

I like Lunati roller lifters, reasonable price and a quality piece.
Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 08:13 AM

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I like Lunati roller lifters, reasonable price and a quality piece.

Morel makes Lunati lifters, Bullet lifters and many others. Morel has recently released a lower priced lifter, so don't automatically think you are getting an $800 lifter for cheap. Lifters is an area where you definitely get what you pay for.

Monte
Posted By: moparniac

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 11:25 AM

How much do the crowers run Bobby? Or don't you sell them?
Posted By: shoebox

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 06:08 PM

im thinking herberts are the ones im going with. i called them and they said they do oil through the pushrods. any herbert roller lifter users confirm that? sales guy sounded iffy lol
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 06:49 PM

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Brian what did you design on that lifter? I have talked the the same guy you get them from and they are his design. Its a comp AMC lifter. All the lifter you sell are made by the company Comp has contracted to manufacture them. If you use the lifter in your picture without bushing the block it with have oil pressure problems. If the block is bushed correctly you do not need the oil hole parallel with the axle. Just use the correct Comp Brand lifter and you will be fine. Brian its great to help people but to take credit for someone elses work, come on.



If you've spoken with Jim, then you should know we helped with hole placement on the BB lifters, as well as pushrod seat height and confirmation of oiling with .470 lobe cam plus dyno results of the lifters themselves. We also figured out where the link bar should sit in relation to the pushrod seat. Those BB bodies are not an AMC copy of anything.
With the sb lifter, we helped with the spacer deal but that was Jim's idea...we did alot of research for him with different blocks and cams, different lobe sizes and with oem blocks as well as race blocks.
Also with the sb lifters, had him move the oil holes parallel with the axle, and WE decided where the pushrod seat should be as well as the link bar height.

As I said before, we HELPED in the design...never took credit for the whole design as that was Jim's idea's. Jim was in our shop a few times going over dimensions of everything...how many times was he in your shop?
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 06:56 PM

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Comp still hasn't started using our lifters so they're still available



Ok, who is "our" ???


IMM engines. I helped design these lifters with the manufacturer. Comp grinds cams...that's really it. Yes they do R&D, but most of the products they sell are made for them private label.
And EVERY other cam company does the same thing.

Comp now uses our sb design lifters, but so far they have not given a part # to the BB lifters so I'm free to sell them.
Brian



What I meant here by OUR sb design was Jim and me...not just IMM. Jim is the designer of those lifters and we helped in the finished product. Jim did make changes to both lifters after we looked at them and ran them in engines on our dyno. So we helped...that's all I've ever claimed!!
Brian
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 08:17 PM

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If you use the lifter in your picture without bushing the block it with have oil pressure problems. If the block is bushed correctly you do not need the oil hole parallel with the axle. Just use the correct Comp Brand lifter and you will be fine.



I've used these lifters in BB's with a Comp RX Drag lobe using .470 lobe lift and had the base circle reduced .020. After that there was enough room for a .484 lobe as well.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 10:29 PM

Pete, not sure I understood your note correctly. The lifters in the picture seem to work just fine in stock blocks. That is the benefit of having the oil hole drilled crossways. Is that what you ment to say?

The lifters with the hole drilled into the oil gallery are the ones that have oil pressure problems. I have some lifters here from Crower that won't hold oil pressure because they are drilled wrong. It seems like most of the vendors drill their Mopar lifters the wrong way. Probably because they are all Chevy guys and don't bother to think about what they are doing when they make Mopar parts.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/07/11 11:27 PM

andy do you have some pics of the crowers... My lifter bushings are drilled at 3 & 9 if you were facing the front of the block! so i need a set that is drilled parralel with the oil galley!
Posted By: LA360

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/08/11 01:24 AM

Anyone have part numbers for the Morel or Crower lifters? a friend is putting together a B1 engine and was asking me about sourcing some lifters amoung other parts for him.
email me if it's easier
calmachinewrks@optusnet.com.au

Thanks
Posted By: cknight

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/08/11 03:25 PM

In the .904" Crane Ultra Pro roller lifter line, there's the 66542-16 (standard pushrod seat height), 66543-16 (pushrod seat raised .120"), and the 66550-16 (standard pushrod seat height with pushrod oiling). Regards, Chase
Posted By: supercomp

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/08/11 03:32 PM

If it's a B1 you'll need offset intakes.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: big block roller lifters whats my options - 02/08/11 06:02 PM

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i know T&D and jesel are the best and thats whats going to be recommened here but lets start by saying... it aint gonna happen. the high end stuff is way out of the budget. im talking more in the lines of howards,herbert,comp etc.. which ones/who's brand oils through the pushrods? im ethier going to do iron rockers from RAS or comp magnums in which i need BALL BALL pushrods.
so which roller lifters do you recommend for a budget 440
herbert,howards,lunati,etc...

Don`t skimp in this area............been running Isky solid bodys(no oil band to kill oil pressure)in a un bushed 400 block for 6+ years and just had em rebuilt. Two were starting to go away after thousands of street miles and a few hundred passes. Ask for Rod and tell him Dominic sent ya...............you won`t b dissapointed.
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