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Cowl hoods

Posted By: poisondart2

Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 04:40 PM

Well its time for a new hood due to adding on a 3x manifold with a 1 inch spacer and SV-1. My question is there any loss of performance with the cowl hood going from a front mounted scoop?
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 04:54 PM

When my car was running mid 11s on motor and mid 10s on nitrous, I had a tall 6 pack scoop on it that was sealed to the carb. I had that combo well sorted out and played around a lot w/ the carb air pan and jetting. Sealing the carb to the scoop dropped a tenth and gained a little over 1 mph vs. not sealed.

I switched to the 5" tall cowl that's currently on my car and did NOT have it sealed to the carb. It ran the same as the six pack hood sealed to the carb.
Now if you have a big pro stock style scoop, or something very tall, then I'm sure it'll work better than a cowl.

I have done the aero test where you tape strips of thread/yarn around the back of the scoop while going down the track. There is definitely air getting pulled into the cowl scoop. A lot of people will try to tell you they just vent air from under the hood...not true.

The rear of the cowl scoop needs to be close to the windshield. I can just barely get my hand b/t the back of my hood and the windshield. If there is a big gap there, it will not pull in air.

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Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:19 PM

Thanks Chip this is what I wanted to hear although how big is your hand? The photo looks like about 4 inches. Is yours a bolt on or pin on ? I will be ordering it from Glasstech.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:23 PM

The pic isn't good for showing that. The angle and the lighting I guess. It's around 2" away from the windshield...not exactly sure, but I can measure it tonight when I get home from work.
It is a bolt on from Glasstek. Here's another pic.

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Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:40 PM

2 inches How does it open? The reason Iam asking is because I use 4 pins now on the corners and dont want to go to duz fasteners so debating if I should go with the pin on or bolt on hood as I dont want the air to buckle the hood in the front-- as now the hood buckles at the back about 4 inches when i leave off.
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:45 PM

A bolt on hood for a Dart you can not have the end close to the window or it will not hinge up. The end of the cowl will hit the window. I've had both, 5" bolt on and a 6" lift off. I'll see if I can dig up pics of both.
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:51 PM

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A bolt on hood for a Dart you can not have the end close to the window or it will not hinge up. The end of the cowl will hit the window. I've had both, 5" bolt on and a 6" lift off. I'll see if I can dig up pics of both.




Thanks Iam not going to use the hinges for a bolt on I was just thinking the bolt on is reinforced and would not buckle at the front of the hood only using two pins on the corner at the front of it.
Posted By: cudarex

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 05:58 PM

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The pic isn't good for showing that. The angle and the lighting I guess. It's around 2" away from the windshield...not exactly sure, but I can measure it tonight when I get home from work.
It is a bolt on from Glasstek. Here's another pic.



No interference with your windshield when you open?
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 06:00 PM

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A bolt on hood for a Dart you can not have the end close to the window or it will not hinge up. The end of the cowl will hit the window. I've had both, 5" bolt on and a 6" lift off. I'll see if I can dig up pics of both.




Thanks Iam not going to use the hinges for a bolt on I was just thinking the bolt on is reinforced and would not buckle at the front of the hood only using two pins on the corner at the front of it.



The bolt on hood is heavy, almost the same weight as a steel one. I also set the side up with rails to support the hood, some zues in the front and across the back.

Back ones

Side rails and you can also see the front in this pic.

I don't have a real good pic showing how close it is to the window but you can see how far back it extens over the cowl. It completely covers where the vent grate was.

The pic in my sig is the old 5" bolt on.
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 06:14 PM

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Well its time for a new hood due to adding on a 3x manifold with a 1 inch spacer and SV-1. My question is there any loss of performance with the cowl hood going from a front mounted scoop?





What kind of a car are you putting it on?
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 06:16 PM

69 Dart
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 06:26 PM

Just thought I'd ask, seen your user name say's Poison dart but maybe you might be working on some thing new. Dart lift off won't be bad but cowl hoods are heavy, there's just no easy way to grab them and lift it off. The 70 ' cuda hoods are almost impossible.

Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 06:37 PM

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Just thought I'd ask, seen your user name say's Poison dart but maybe you might be working on some thing new. Dart lift off won't be bad but cowl hoods are heavy, there's just no easy way to grab them and lift it off. The 70 ' cuda hoods are almost impossible.






Yeah I would guess they are heavy but need room and using a taller front scoop looks weird I think as it has to be wide enough to make up for the offset to the passenger side of the car. Also have a 70 Cuda sitting for ever now, someday it will get its turn
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 08:10 PM

The bolt-ons from Glasstek are heavy, but very rigid.
It does not hit the windshield at all.

On some body styles, it's impossible to get the scoop real close to the windshield and have the hood be a bolt-on using factory hinges.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 08:25 PM

Mine is a AAR pin on. Nice hood and they have a mold so no grafting of scoops on hoods. I lift mine off by myself.

If you want more pics just ask.
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/12/11 08:55 PM

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Mine is a AAR pin on. Nice hood and they have a mold so no grafting of scoops on hoods. I lift mine off by myself.

If you want more pics just ask.




Thanks and i love your car but I need 6 inch and I spoke with AAR and they wont make a bigger one or extend the one they have although it would of been nice if they would --they are just up the road a little from me.
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 01:20 AM

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The pic isn't good for showing that. The angle and the lighting I guess. It's around 2" away from the windshield...not exactly sure, but I can measure it tonight when I get home from work.
It is a bolt on from Glasstek. Here's another pic.



No interference with your windshield when you open?




My hood is exactly 2" away from the windshield when closed.
As you open it, the top of the scoop gets as close as 3/4" to the windshield, but then the rear of the hood rolls down and forward further away from the windshield. I have the factory original hinges, just using the lightweight springs supplied by Glasstek.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 02:07 AM

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Mine is a AAR pin on. Nice hood and they have a mold so no grafting of scoops on hoods. I lift mine off by myself.

If you want more pics just ask.




Thanks and i love your car but I need 6 inch and I spoke with AAR and they wont make a bigger one or extend the one they have although it would of been nice if they would --they are just up the road a little from me.




thanks, Yeah i tried to get one extened and they told me the same thing.
Posted By: W5Dart378

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 06:15 AM

If it is for a 69 Dart, I can get you a super nice 6" cowl back to the windshield carbonfiber hood.
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 06:29 AM

I can see a road trip in the future
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 02:35 PM

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If it is for a 69 Dart, I can get you a super nice 6" cowl back to the windshield carbonfiber hood.





Yes Iam interested PM sent
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 02:36 PM

4" mated to a flat glass hood.

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Posted By: fishy340

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 11:40 PM

BIGCUBE did u fab the rails,or buy them? thanks
Posted By: fishy340

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/13/11 11:42 PM

AAR makes an awesome fitting cowl hood for the Dart,bill from rms just put his on his dart and i was drooling,MY glasstek cowl fit like poop!
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 12:37 AM

Late "B" bolt on. I hated to add all that weight

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Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 02:33 AM

Glad I made this post as W5DART378 sent photo's of his carbon fiber
6 inch cowl hood absolutley perfect no center line
runs all the way to windshield and the underside looks as good as the top
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 03:45 AM

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Glad I made this post as W5DART378 sent photo's of his carbon fiber
6 inch cowl hood absolutley perfect no center line
runs all the way to windshield and the underside looks as good as the top




OK whats up with the super secret stuff?? lets see the pics, who made it and how much is it??????
Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 05:04 PM

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BIGCUBE did u fab the rails,or buy them? thanks



My body guy made them.
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 05:48 PM

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Glad I made this post as W5DART378 sent photo's of his carbon fiber
6 inch cowl hood absolutley perfect no center line
runs all the way to windshield and the underside looks as good as the top




OK whats up with the super secret stuff?? lets see the pics, who made it and how much is it??????




any pics?
Posted By: greendart408

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 06:54 PM

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Glad I made this post as W5DART378 sent photo's of his carbon fiber
6 inch cowl hood absolutley perfect no center line
runs all the way to windshield and the underside looks as good as the top



Pics and price please... I am wanting a new hood also as my new Glasstek hemi hood isn't tall enough to clear my injection.
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 07:45 PM

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Glad I made this post as W5DART378 sent photo's of his carbon fiber
6 inch cowl hood absolutley perfect no center line
runs all the way to windshield and the underside looks as good as the top



Pics and price please... I am wanting a new hood also as my new Glasstek hemi hood isn't tall enough to clear my injection.




PM- W5DART378 Iam still waiting on a shipping price but the hood is about ONE GRANDE
Posted By: fishy340

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 11:36 PM

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BIGCUBE did u fab the rails,or buy them? thanks



My body guy made them.


i'm gonna go that route also..thanks pal
Posted By: BEEQUIK

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 11:54 PM

This is a glasstek pin on hood and it is does not weigh a lot and is not flimsy either.Nice hood and was just about paint ready as shipped,didn't need a lot of work to be nice. And goes back to the windshield unlike the AAR I had on my 68 dart.

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Posted By: BEEQUIK

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/14/11 11:57 PM

and the AAR hood on the 68...

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Posted By: proshiftcharger

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/15/11 01:33 AM

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and the AAR hood on the 68...




Beequik,
How effective is your cowl? The reason Im asking is judging from the pic it appears to be 5-6 inches away from the windshield. Can it still flow air into the carb that far away from the windshield?
Posted By: BEEQUIK

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/15/11 01:50 AM

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and the AAR hood on the 68...




Beequik,
How effective is your cowl? The reason Im asking is judging from the pic it appears to be 5-6 inches away from the windshield. Can it still flow air into the carb that far away from the windshield?




Probably not very effective, but I ordered a Hemi Dart hood and when I arrived at Rockingham (met them at a show to pick up)they had made me a really nice 68 Hemi Cuda hood!! So rather tahn risk them shipping me another and the time to make it( I was in a hurry)I took that hood and the difference back on my end. So that is that story. Looked good but not what I wanted/ ordered.

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Posted By: Dart1031

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/15/11 03:40 AM

How many of you A and B body guys are actually covering(eliminating) the factory cold air vent in front of the windshield? It seems it wouldn't matter how close the scoop is to the windshield if the air is just going down the vent anyway. I've got a 4" cowl for my Valiant and we're getting rid of the vent.
Posted By: Ari440

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/15/11 04:27 AM

I ended up covering the vent with a plastic sheet
Posted By: 80arrow

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/19/11 03:28 PM

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Mine is a AAR pin on. Nice hood and they have a mold so no grafting of scoops on hoods. I lift mine off by myself.

If you want more pics just ask.




Bigtime,


Would you have any more pics of the mounting? How many pins or is it dzused on? How rigid is the front, does it bow or flex up at higher speeds, mid 140's?
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/19/11 03:54 PM

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Mine is a AAR pin on. Nice hood and they have a mold so no grafting of scoops on hoods. I lift mine off by myself.

If you want more pics just ask.




Bigtime,


Would you have any more pics of the mounting? How many pins or is it dzused on? How rigid is the front, does it bow or flex up at higher speeds, mid 140's?




here is the only pic i have of the mounting. I just use the moroso brackets to the fenders and i made 2 front rad brackets:



Posted By: mr. 63plymouth

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/19/11 05:48 PM

The loss of performance is that cowl hoods are kind of a CHEV thing!!Just my LOL 9.52 in street clothes with two pins and two hinges @ 143MPH

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Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/19/11 10:18 PM

Mine does not work at all..it a very nice hood 5inch glasstek...I have tried everything.it will ruin a set of plugs..lol

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Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/19/11 11:07 PM

you mean my car can go faster????
Posted By: ProSport

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 03:00 AM

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you mean my car can go faster????





Yes it can.

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Posted By: moparniac

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 03:06 AM

man I cant find the pic of how the front of my dart was to hold the front part of hood down
Posted By: one bad fish

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 03:40 AM

i like the way cowl hoods look on cudas and darts
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 06:21 AM

I have always thought my car would run faster with a cowl hood, that big scoop shovel has to slow a car down, it's like driving with your door wide open. If you have a opening as big as a cowl, air will find it's way to the carb.

Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 07:07 AM

I have tried acouple different hood scoops also..a hemi and six pack and they dont work either..I love the cowl..if I redo the hood it will be a 6 inch that goes to the windshield..I need to put a good aero scoop on it,but hate to deface the car with it..I run such a big cfm carb..it needs all the airflow it can get..

Been running the carb out the scoop hole and running a big aircleaner on it..just for testing mode purposes..
Posted By: TheBlackCar

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 10:08 AM

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I have tried acouple different hood scoops also..a hemi and six pack and they dont work either..I love the cowl..if I redo the hood it will be a 6 inch that goes to the windshield..I need to put a good aero scoop on it,but hate to deface the car with it..I run such a big cfm carb..it needs all the airflow it can get..

Been running the carb out the scoop hole and running a big aircleaner on it..just for testing mode purposes..




Ever try anything like the PS trucks had? Cowl hoods with a front facing airpan. Aerodynamic benefit of the cowl and just redirect air that would hit the front of vehicle anyway.
I like the looks of the cowl, however I'm just not subscribing to the "air off the windshield" lore.
My 6" cowl goes back to an inch or so of the windhield and has a 2pc forward facing pan setup. Still sorting out electrical issues and have not had it over 140 yet, which is where I expect it to start making a difference.

Good Luck
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 12:42 PM

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I have tried acouple different hood scoops also..a hemi and six pack and they dont work either..I love the cowl..if I redo the hood it will be a 6 inch that goes to the windshield..I need to put a good aero scoop on it,but hate to deface the car with it..I run such a big cfm carb..it needs all the airflow it can get..

Been running the carb out the scoop hole and running a big aircleaner on it..just for testing mode purposes..




Ever try anything like the PS trucks had? Cowl hoods with a front facing airpan. Aerodynamic benefit of the cowl and just redirect air that would hit the front of vehicle anyway.
I like the looks of the cowl, however I'm just not subscribing to the "air off the windshield" lore.
My 6" cowl goes back to an inch or so of the windhield and has a 2pc forward facing pan setup. Still sorting out electrical issues and have not had it over 140 yet, which is where I expect it to start making a difference.

Good Luck




I've wanted to test my scoop VS a cowl in cars that
run the same speed... just putting a inches of water
gauge with a pick up tube in the cowl and scoop...
at least I know that if the front facing scoop is
high enough to be in the air flow it applies pressure
at speed where the six pack type arent high enough
and may actually hurt performance
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 01:26 PM

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I have always thought my car would run faster with a cowl hood, that big scoop shovel has to slow a car down, it's like driving with your door wide open. If you have a opening as big as a cowl, air will find it's way to the carb.






It has to catch alot of air like putting a chute on the front of the car and pushing against it.Looks like most on here that have a cowl are 140 or better with no complaints of a loss.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 01:30 PM

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I have always thought my car would run faster with a cowl hood, that big scoop shovel has to slow a car down, it's like driving with your door wide open. If you have a opening as big as a cowl, air will find it's way to the carb.






It has to catch alot of air like putting a chute on the front of the car and pushing against it.Looks like most on here that have a cowl are 140 or better with no complaints of a loss.




It may be a like a chute BUT if its in the air flow
its pressurizing the carb(cheap supercharger)
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 01:37 PM

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I have always thought my car would run faster with a cowl hood, that big scoop shovel has to slow a car down, it's like driving with your door wide open. If you have a opening as big as a cowl, air will find it's way to the carb.






It has to catch alot of air like putting a chute on the front of the car and pushing against it.Looks like most on here that have a cowl are 140 or better with no complaints of a loss.




It may be a like a chute BUT if its in the air flow
its pressurizing the carb(cheap supercharger)





Yeah but at what point does the drag on the car outweigh the forced air ? and would it not be better to be more aerodynamic and force the air another way like with a tube to the carb like the Fords use?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 01:48 PM

Yeah but at what point does the drag on the car outweigh the forced air ? and would it not be better to be more aerodynamic and force the air another way like with a tube to the carb like the Fords use?




Very true... I'm sure there is a trade off... I am
planning on using a cowl on my drag week car BUT using
a pair of front mounted tubes to supply the air to
a sealed air pan... hopefully this will give me the
best of both worlds
Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 01:49 PM

So we think alike
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 04:40 PM

I'd like to see what a Hemi hood scoop would look like on a car that would be in the air flow, It would have to be over a foot tall.
Posted By: FASTFISH420

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/20/11 06:32 PM

Posted By: srracing8

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/22/11 12:14 AM

I've always wondered how some of you see around the tall scoops sitting at the tree? I have a 6" cowl hood and the way I sit in my car any lower I would have to put a wedge under the seat to see the tree.
I've watched some of the ProStock and ProMod racers when in the left lane stretching their necks to see the lights.
Just some thoughts.
PoisonDart post some photos with the wheels up. You are loosing et with all the air under the car. LOL
Posted By: rowin4

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/22/11 12:22 AM


PoisonDart post some photos with the wheels up. You are loosing et with all the air under the car. LOL





I'll give up a little , It sure does look more exciting to the spectators.
Posted By: 1 Bad Duster

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/22/11 12:29 AM

Here my 4" cowl hood..


Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Cowl hoods - 01/22/11 12:49 AM

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I've always wondered how some of you see around the tall scoops sitting at the tree? I have a 6" cowl hood and the way I sit in my car any lower I would have to put a wedge under the seat to see the tree.
I've watched some of the ProStock and ProMod racers when in the left lane stretching their necks to see the lights.
Just some thoughts.
PoisonDart post some photos with the wheels up. You are loosing et with all the air under the car. LOL




LOL If it doesnt rain tommorow I will try to get a photo for you on it's roof is a 1.587 60' time bad ? and still run a 9
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