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Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake?

Posted By: AndyF

Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 03:00 PM

That is the M1 intake for the B motor with a 4500 flange on it. It seems like the perfect intake for a 500 inch low deck motor running Edelbrock or MP heads. Modern has a CNC program for the Eddy heads that really makes them work and the 4500 carb should be a good match for any 500 inch motor.

I'm pretty sure it is the only low deck intake with a 4500 flange that fits standard ports. Weiand makes a RB intake with the 4500 flange and now Edelbrock is going to make a RB version of the Super Victor, but nobody else makes a B version.

Just seems like it would be a popular intake for anyone racing a big low deck motor with standard ports. I assumed it was a popular intake until I tried to buy one! Basically impossible to find because the sales volume is so low on it.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 03:36 PM

I ran that intake when I went 10.09 and havn`t been able to get the et. back w/the victor however, I was also sucking oil and my tires were SHOT. I saw your manfold shoot-out and the standard victor out did all of the standard port manifolds if I remember correctly. Have you done any back-to-back dyno tests yet comparing the standard port manifolds and if so, which were the best? THANKXX ANDY.......
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 04:09 PM

Well when I did the manifold flow test article I didn't have a 724 on hand. I'm sure the flow on it is going to be down a little bit when compared to a MW port intake like the Indy 400-2, but that is to be expected with the smaller runner size.

You're right, the Victor 383 is probably the best standard port race intake for the low deck with a 4150 flange. But what about the guy with a 500 inch motor that wants to run a Dominator?

I could do a dyno test between the Victor 383 with a 4500 adapter and a M1 724. That might be an interesting test. The problem with the Victor 383 + adapter is that it is going to be a very tall setup. The M1 724 could run a spacer and still not be as tall as the Victor with an adapter.
Posted By: jyrki

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 04:38 PM

Has the BB Victor really showed its nails in any combination yet? I don't know anything about intakes either, the victor looks impressive, but in my opinion has got a very small plenum. Maybe they have compromised the height a little ro something, I don't know. But from what I have followed, ti hasn't really been the "best" intake for any combination so far. Not bad, but not way beyond way less impressive looking intakes either.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 05:18 PM

I think I screwed up when I bought the victor hype and then sold the m-1 w/out first testing the victor. Based on my last outing with the oil sucking issues,30-40 mph winds and wore out tires I still managed a 10.23 @ 131.28 mph and a lot of racers said they were way off on their et`s also. If this intake doesn`t work, I`m gettin a tunnel-ram w/a couple of 750`s and we`ll go from there.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 05:27 PM

The plenum on the 724 intake is huge compared to the Victor 383 intake. Who knows, if a guy wants to run a 4150 carb maybe the 724 with a 4500 to 4150 adapter is the way to go???

I could probably try that on the dyno. It might be interesting to see what happens. I'd have to get me a 4500 to 4150 adapter since usually the adapters are the other way.

I think the Victor 383 is an okay intake but for a 500 inch motor I'd rather run a 4500 carb. Assuming other people think the same way, the 724 intake should be more popular than it is.
Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 08:24 PM

I run that intake on my 470" b engine. I basically built my engine from the back of the Chuck Senatore book. I chose it because I could run the 4500 carb and still close my hood. bought mine on ebay for $200.00 new. I am happy with the outcome, brand new baby and fixing my CTD ram has put a slowdown on getting it to the track so far but I should make it this summer.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 09:37 PM

That is exactly what I was thinking: Having a 500 inch motor with a 4500 carb and being able to close the hood!
Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 11:42 PM

I am by no means an expert on anything. Yes I copied my engine out of the back of a book. The section on manifolds said that The M1 tested out the best in that application, I got alot of advice on the carb and went with a 1050 (8082) I am happy with the results, could use a touch more gear but the 4spd helps alot. I am gonna get some track time in this summer I just have alot going on right now and it's not a priority. An with what I spent fixing my Truck the last few months I could have bought a trailer and a years supply of tires and fuel. I do take the car out for a drive in the country once in a while. and it all fits under my stock charger hood.

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Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 11:43 PM

Andy, Weiand makes, or made, a B motor Team G intake with 4500 flange. A pal of mine has run one since 1990.
Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 11:44 PM

fits fine

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Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/09/08 11:48 PM

The weiand intake is alot taller than the M1
summit list it
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=DCC%2D4529724&autoview=sku
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 02:12 AM

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Andy, Weiand makes, or made, a B motor Team G intake with 4500 flange. A pal of mine has run one since 1990.




Weiand might have made a B intake with the 4500 flange at one time but they haven't made it for a few years. They do still offer an RB version of the Team G with the Dominator flange but not the B version.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 02:15 AM

Summit does list the 724 for sale ($270) but it isn't in inventory and if you order one it might not show up. Mancini Racing lists the same intake for only $220 (a steal of a price) but once again, it isn't in stock and MP shows no inventory on hand.

There is a dealer somewhere back East that has one in stock. Ken's Dodge or something like that. I didn't bother calling them to see if they actually had it or not.

I did order one from Mancini Racing. We'll see how long it takes to show up. I heard thru the grapevine that MP does actually have these things in inventory but they aren't in the system. So hopefully my order will get filled.

BTW - that motor looks great. And thanks for buying the throttle bracket and throttle return kit! I didn't notice them at first since you had painted them engine color.
Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 04:03 AM

Your welcome. got them from Mancini
I guess I lucked out. I was on ebay one afternoon and picked up my M1
My engine was painted on the stand. including the brackets. keeps the leaks down.
used one of the pioneer cables from autozone that I ordered with a part number from the tech archives, I had to try a few but it all works and I think it is a clean look. I couldnt get the lokar cable to work well, then I did and the cable snapped. Just my opinion but for $20.00 the replacement cable is ten times better than the lokar. Just need to get a better camera cause that is hemi orange but doesnt photo to well.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 07:16 AM

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That is exactly what I was thinking: Having a 500 inch motor with a 4500 carb and being able to close the hood!




I can do it with mine........

Eddy heads / TM7 with 4150-4500 adapter and TA six Pack hood.... barely makes it but it works....



Posted By: Dart1031

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 12:32 PM

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Summit does list the 724 for sale ($270) but it isn't in inventory and if you order one it might not show up. Mancini Racing lists the same intake for only $220 (a steal of a price) but once again, it isn't in stock and MP shows no inventory on hand.




I sold one on here last month for $150 that was gasket matched. Where were you? lol I always hit the ads here before I buy something new. Just make sure you read everything in the ad I bought a Holley SD here for $75 that had plenum work and was gasket matched. It was listed with a bunch of body parts.
Posted By: 440forPOWER

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/10/08 02:38 PM

I would like to see the difference between the M1 4500 intake verses the new super victor 4500 flange intake. I'm not sure on the height of the super victor but it is suppose to be a new design over the victor. Hey Josh68, let me know when you make it to the track. I would love to see your car ripping it up. LATER
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/17/08 04:28 PM

Quote:

I would like to see the difference between the M1 4500 intake verses the new super victor 4500 flange intake. I'm not sure on the height of the super victor but it is suppose to be a new design over the victor.




I'm going to do a dyno test of the M1 4500 vs. the Eddy Super Victor as soon as Edelbrock decides to ship me an intake.

I got my new 724 intake from Mancini yesterday. So even though none were in the system they found one somewhere. It is an old intake, date on the box was 2002! So these things must not sell very well. Don't know why they wouldn't sell, they look great and I bet they make good power.

This intake is going on a stock stroke 400 motor that makes a little over 600 hp. It has Peformer RPM heads so the M1 intake should be a perfect match.

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Posted By: davenc

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/17/08 05:35 PM

Andy,

Can you tell us more about the test motor? Given the cubes and HP, it sounds like an all out race motor, with not much concern on the bottom end?

Thx
Posted By: Scamp451

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/17/08 07:46 PM

Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/17/08 08:26 PM

This 400 motor is street driven but it isn't a daily driver, more like a weekend toy. Bottom end is okay but it isn't a tow truck motor. The heads were ported by Dwayne and it has a 250 duration roller cam in it. Here is a picture with the carb installed.

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Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/18/08 03:42 AM

Here is a side by side shot. Notice the big difference in plenum size as well as runner length between the Victor and the M1.

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Posted By: Joshs68

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/23/08 05:46 PM

no victor yet?
sorry I am very interested in your dyno test. Mostly because I am running that intake and dont know anybody else that is and I have nada to compare it with.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 05/23/08 06:49 PM

Nope, evidently Edelbrock is just advertising the Super Victor intake, not actually making them.
Posted By: tpabayflyer

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 04:24 AM

I just stumbled on this old thread Andy and was wondering if you had some info on the 4500 intake??? I have a 451 with edelbrock heads and i am wondering if i should go the dominator route???? TBF
Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 04:49 AM

My 451 used the Mopar M1 for the 4150 base carb, and I ran a 1" open spacer on it, topped with a 1,000cfm Holley HP carb. I thought it ran very good, but have no other intakes to compare to on the same engine. It did fit under the power bulge hood if the '71 Charger.

I bought an Indy -? (single plane 4150 carb, "b" block) intake and it looks only slightly taller than the M1 without the spacer, and shorter than the M1 with the 1" spacer, but it is setup for the MW ports. The Indy has the injestion bosses cast in the intake, and I may go fuel injection in the future
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 05:16 PM

Just checked the number out of curiosity. If anyone needs one of these intakes, there are two of them in stock at Chrysler's Warren depot. Any dealer can get it.

Posted By: tpabayflyer

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 06:46 PM

Thanks Zip... I have a 451 that I will be using a street dominator on and I was wondering if I should consider using a 4500 series dominator carb as well...... I am a little afraid of the huge plenum volume killing my low end torque with the MP manifold and I really liked the setup that Fast68 had where he welded a 4500 flange to the street dom manifold. It looks awesome and it has the room as the manifold is cast for a spreadbore carb so there is quite a bit of extra meat to grind/blend. I know they sell adapters but that does not help the hood clearance issue.

I have an 83 Cordoba and I am trying to set it up so it runs about 7.50 in the 1/8th and 11.70 in the 1/4.......
451 has hyd roller cam and edelbrock heads. Does anybody else think this intake work is awesome?? Fast is the man! TBF

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Posted By: tpabayflyer

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 06:50 PM

I wonder how much gain I could expect using a 1050 Dom instead of a 950HP??? It seems that a good running big block always seems to have an advantage when running a dominator. I plan around 520Hp/580TQ 10.7-1 C/R...... Anybody know where that flange came from or is it a milled down adapter of some sort??? TBF
Posted By: Lime446

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 07:06 PM

I ran the m1 w/ 1050 dominator on my 400 and seemed to work great. No dyno numbers but ran best of 10.67 in my challenger. I also found a tenth by adding a 1 inch hvh style adapter not bad for stock stroke 400 flat top KB's,home ported 452's Dustin
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: Why don't more people run the P4529724 intake? - 03/12/09 07:22 PM

I can tell you a decent built 451 will eat up a fair amount of plenum volume, but since it's relative to runner design/runner length and the rest of the build it's going to be hard to predict exactly how it will act.


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