!!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage.

Posted By: mopar65

!!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 02:44 AM

well just got home from my frist time at the track. i made 4.5 passes. I wish my car would of went faster. but i did come close to my goal for my street/strip dart. so all in all i am happy with the car. ok on to the good. I finaly get to say i allmost have a mid ten second street car. here is the info from the pass i made.

60 FT 1.5479
330-4.4357
1/8-6.8723
1/8 mph-100.74
1000 et 8.9938
1000 mph 114.68
1/4-10.6859
1/4-124.58

so what do you guys think about this e/t? i did not get to do any tunning because on the 5 pass something let go in my rearend.I thought i had a 5100 stall but at the track it seemed like the converter was only flash stalling around 4600.I shifted at 7000 and went through the end at 65-6600 rpm.I might have a topend fuel problem? because in frist and second it would pull to 7000 like it was nothing but once i was in thired it felt like it was done after 6500 rpm. i hope to get some more out of the car with some tunnning. but i am not racing the car again untill i get a roll bar/cage put in the car. so how did i do my frist time out with a new car? also what ever i did to the rearend it is bad enough that when when we was pushing it off the track etc the rearend would lock up. I have a 30 spline full spool. so what do you think i broke? man i can wate for winter to get over so i can go back out there. thanks Bobby

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 02:58 AM

Congrats

I'ld say you have a mid 10 sec car for sure.

60' seems a little soft though

Sorry to hear about your rear

If I had to take a guess I'ld say it was your ring and pinion

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:08 AM

thanks bill. Yes i was really happy the engine or transmission did not go boom.

i also thought the 60 foot was a little soft. is it because of the big 270 cc ports of the indy ez heads? so do you think this is a good time for a 3400-3500 pound A-body which really needs to go on a dieat. But lucky me i do have a brand new set of 4.10 gears to put in the car. I dont know if this matters but i did out run my friends 70 monty carlo that has a stroker 383 chevy in his car. I beat him about 4 car leagnths and he said his car made 505 hp at the rear wheels.
when i get the car fixed looks like i have a lot of tunning to do. also i might of gotten my 10.50 pass if my buddy ramcharger would of went with me. he ways about 100 pounds less than i do.

man i am not even mad that i broke the rearend.

it felt like it was going to be a great pass untill about 40 feet out the rear went boom.lol

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:15 AM

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I dont know if this matters but i did out run my friends 70 monty carlo that has a stroker 383 chevy in his car.

Hell ya that matters

Not sure about the 60' and your weight. What gears are in it now?

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:20 AM

Bill the car has 4.10 gears in it. my frined used a 180 hp shot of nos and ran a 10.17 right before i left. i think it was trying to look for some pay back.lol

Posted By: Ramcharger

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:25 AM

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...also i might of gotten my 10.50 pass if my buddy ramcharger would of went with me. he ways about 100 pounds less than i do.

Maybe next time.

I have no doubt the car has a 10.50 in it. The engine just feels too strong...

I wouldn't be too concerned with the 60'. You need to remember that you are running on ET Street Radials with NO traction aids of any kind. Did it seems to be spinning at all?

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:29 AM

hey jason looks like you have a lot of work ahead of you lol

if any very little.I was really suprised how well these tires hooked. i wonder my soft 60 foot had anything to do with my timeing not going full adnavced untill 3000 rpm and my car only stalling around 4600. fast told me i needed a 5100 stall for the car. but i dont know if any of that stuff matters.

Posted By: Ramcharger

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:47 AM

The MPH doesn't really indicate any spinning, so...

Even if it actually is the convertor that's causing the 60' to be a little off, I wouldn't mind giving up a little 60' for a little tighter convertor on the street. But that's just me....

It still ran 10.68 on pump gas and "street" tires, with NO tuning. Let's not forget that. I would make a safe bet that it has more in it.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 03:54 AM

yes you are right and you are going to have to keep me in check. I mean keep me from trying to make this a race only car again lol. I know if i need to go faster we can allways put nos on it. man you should of see the 65 malabu that a guy had there, it had some kind of big block with a procharger on it. when i left he could still not get it to hook. he was braking the tires loose at the 1000 foot mark

man i bet that was a scary ride.lol

Posted By: WILD BILL

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:00 AM

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It still ran 10.68 on pump gas and "street" tires, with NO tuning. Let's not forget that.

Oh yeah

Now don't forget to update yor sig

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:04 AM

We've told you this before. That car needs a Dana or well built 9". I wont be surprised if you break another R&P in short order.

Dont forget to pull the trans, it might be broke too.

Posted By: Ramcharger

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:08 AM

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yes you are right and you are going to have to keep me in check. I mean keep me from trying to make this a race only car again lol.

Somebody needs to keep an eye on you!

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man you should of see the 65 malabu that a guy had there, it had some kind of big block with a procharger on it. when i left he could still not get it to hook. he was braking the tires loose at the 1000 foot mark man i bet that was a scary ride.lol

It's beyond me why anyone would do that. It's just asking to crash. IMO, if the tires spin much at all, the run is a wash anyway. Why risk parts breakage or worse, crashing the car.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:11 AM

yes i will be pulling the the trans this spring and have a look see. i understand what you are saying and i might install one next year if i can come up with the money. but the weared thing is i had a 3500 pound 65 plymouth that would run 1.41 60 foot times and i never broke the 8-3/4 in it and it had a lot of passes on it.like i said i am not trying to argue with you. well i am done racing the car untill i put a cage in it. so in the mean time i am going to fix the 8-3/4 untill i can save up the money to do the dana.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:17 AM

I agree i think he might of gave up because it looks like he might of been putting it back in the trailer when i left. hey do you remember the last time you raced my 65 and raced a yellow coup from saint james? well he was there again and really steped up the engine. he had a stroker small block chevy with a nos foger system on it. the guy i beat said the small block dynoed around 700 hp and 1100 with the nos. i saw it runa 9.60 pass but do not know if that was with the nos or not. well any way i know wear i can get a truck dana for 100 bucks. want to start building a dana for the car?

Posted By: Ramcharger

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:27 AM

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want to start building a dana for the car?

Sure, you get the parts and we'll put it together.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:28 AM

ok come on tax time. lol

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 04:29 AM

or if i could come up with the money i would just buy bondo bobs dana that has race brakes it with it.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 06:19 PM

ok here are the times of all of my runs. please look them over and tell me what you think or see wear i might see some improvement.thanks Bobby

(1) pass

60 FT ---- 1.5723

330 FT ---- 4.5206

1/8 ET ---- 7.0054

1/8MPH ---- 98.21

1000 ET ---- 9.1684

1000 MPH ---- 112.53

1/4 ET ---- 10.8901

1/4 MPH ---- 122.65

(2)

60 FT ---- 1.5727

330 FT ---- 4.4758

1/8 ET ---- 6.9226

1/8 MPH ---- 100.29

1000 ET ---- 9.0544

1000 MPH ---- 113.84

1/4 ET ------ 10.7595

1/4 MPH ---- 123.66

(3) best pass

60 FT ---- 1.5479

330 ---- 4.4357

1/8 ET ---- 6.8723

1/8 MPH ---- 100.74

1000 ET ---- 8.9938

1000 MPH --- 114.68

1/4 ET ----- 10.6859

1/4 MPH ---- 124.58

(4)

60 FT ---- 1.5509

330 FT ---- 4.4450

1/8 ET ---- 6.8883

1/8 MPH --- 100.33

1000 ET ---- 9.0184

1000 MPH --- 114.04

1/4 ET ------- 10.7236

1/4 MPH ----- 123.56

Posted By: joedust451

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 07:40 PM

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ok here are the times of all of my runs. please look them over and tell me what you think or see wear i might see some improvement.thanks Bobby

(1) pass

60 FT ---- 1.5723

330 FT ---- 4.5206

1/8 ET ---- 7.0054

1/8MPH ---- 98.21

1000 ET ---- 9.1684

1000 MPH ---- 112.53

1/4 ET ---- 10.8901

1/4 MPH ---- 122.65

(2)

60 FT ---- 1.5727

330 FT ---- 4.4758

1/8 ET ---- 6.9226

1/8 MPH ---- 100.29

1000 ET ---- 9.0544

1000 MPH ---- 113.84

1/4 ET ------ 10.7595

1/4 MPH ---- 123.66

(3) best pass

60 FT ---- 1.5479

330 ---- 4.4357

1/8 ET ---- 6.8723

1/8 MPH ---- 100.74

1000 ET ---- 8.9938

1000 MPH --- 114.68

1/4 ET ----- 10.6859

1/4 MPH ---- 124.58

(4)

60 FT ---- 1.5509

330 FT ---- 4.4450

1/8 ET ---- 6.8883

1/8 MPH --- 100.33

1000 ET ---- 9.0184

1000 MPH --- 114.04

1/4 ET ------- 10.7236

1/4 MPH ----- 123.56

Bobby, looks like you might be having traction problems too, i'm sure it spun on the 1st. pass for sure. Your also really picking up on the last 660 on each run, so you may want to try lowering the shift points if your trapping lower then where your shifting, if it slows with a lower shift point then you can use a steeper gear, you normally want to trap 2-300 RPMs over the shift points, not below it.

Sorry your 8.3/4 bit the dust, i'm sure there was something going out because it should easily be able to handle 1.5s 60fts. for a long time in a light car.

Posted By: 69CHARGERMD

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/21/10 09:51 PM

Congrats, that is fast for a street strip combo,

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 12:30 AM

thanks doug.

i hopw to get it faster yet. but glad i did not call out a someones white 65 plymouth. did not want to get my butt handed to me lol.

Posted By: 65dragnet

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 12:47 AM

Congrats there sarge and don't forget to check that tranny after puking a rearend , especially look at the sprag. Time for that Dana 60 now ! Good luck

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 01:11 AM

thanks for the kind words and will do on the trans.I think its time to put a billet front drum in it while i am at it.thanks SGT miller

Posted By: smokinwoody

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 01:28 AM

I told you what it would run..

now get a big ole DANA in there and some traction bars and let it all hang out..

get that fuel system straightened out and bam..10.40's or better

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 05:19 AM

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ok here are the times of all of my runs. please look them over and tell me what you think or see wear i might see some improvement.thanks Bobby

(1) pass

60 FT ---- 1.5723

330 FT ---- 4.5206

1/8 ET ---- 7.0054

1/8MPH ---- 98.21

1000 ET ---- 9.1684

1000 MPH ---- 112.53

1/4 ET ---- 10.8901

1/4 MPH ---- 122.65

(2)

60 FT ---- 1.5727

330 FT ---- 4.4758

1/8 ET ---- 6.9226

1/8 MPH ---- 100.29

1000 ET ---- 9.0544

1000 MPH ---- 113.84

1/4 ET ------ 10.7595

1/4 MPH ---- 123.66

(3) best pass

60 FT ---- 1.5479

330 ---- 4.4357

1/8 ET ---- 6.8723

1/8 MPH ---- 100.74

1000 ET ---- 8.9938

1000 MPH --- 114.68

1/4 ET ----- 10.6859

1/4 MPH ---- 124.58

(4)

60 FT ---- 1.5509

330 FT ---- 4.4450

1/8 ET ---- 6.8883

1/8 MPH --- 100.33

1000 ET ---- 9.0184

1000 MPH --- 114.04

1/4 ET ------- 10.7236

1/4 MPH ----- 123.56

Bobby, looks like you might be having traction problems too, i'm sure it spun on the 1st. pass for sure. Your also really picking up on the last 660 on each run, so you may want to try lowering the shift points if your trapping lower then where your shifting, if it slows with a lower shift point then you can use a steeper gear, you normally want to trap 2-300 RPMs over the shift points, not below it.

Sorry your 8.3/4 bit the dust, i'm sure there was something going out because it should easily be able to handle 1.5s 60fts. for a long time in a light car.

hey joe thanks for the info. i wish you could of made it to the race. i think it would be cool if we could get a pic of our cars togeather. but yes looks like i have a lot of stuff to sort out next year. my goal is to get it to run 10 flat in the 1/4 but still drive it on the street. but i dont know if i will be able to do it with this motor or not.but i would be real happy to run 10.50 in thw 1/4 and take it for a ride around town once in a while.

Posted By: mopar65

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/22/10 05:23 AM

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I told you what it would run..

now get a big ole DANA in there and some traction bars and let it all hang out..

get that fuel system straightened out and bam..10.40's or better

thanks ted. yep looks like i have a lot of soarting out to do on the car next spring. I would love to put a dana in it and some ladder bars at the same time.also if it gets any faster i might have to upgrade the brakes with some wilwoods etc.because trying to stop the car going 125 mph at my home track was starting to get a little scary.or i just was not used to running that fast in slong long i for got what is was like.

Posted By: firefighter3931

Re: !!!!! new Best!!! but not with out brakeage. - 11/23/10 04:53 AM

Congrats Bobby, that's a fantastic maiden voyage ! Mid 10's in a street combo on the first day !

Ron