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How fast are you guys going with budget 440?
Posted By: viperblue72
How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 02:06 AM
My plans are to build a 11.5-12.5 to 1 440 or 451 with the mopar 590 cam or similar and some edelbrock or source heads that ill eventually have ported. victor intake and 950 carb. 4k ish stall and 4.10 rear in a 3200 pound duster.
How fast you guys running with similar combos? Any recommendations appreciated.
Posted By: '72CudaRacer
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 03:03 AM
MY combo;
Engine:
440 +.030, Ross pistons 13.5:1, H-beam rods, stock crank, stock block decked, unported 440 Source Stealth heads, Comp 925 springs, 10* locks & retainers, MP .590 solid cam, 2" Hooker Super Comp headers, Weiand Team G intake, 1050 dominator #9688.
Car:
'72 Barracuda, 3200 lbs w/ driver, Dana w/4.56, strange spool & axles, SS leafs, 11.5/29.5 MT, 727 trans w/ TA rmvb, TA 17509 "J" converter.
Last week at Clay City, Ky Mopar show 60' 1.410, 6.53/103.6 1/8 mile, 10.38/127.1 1/4 mile.
I am running it somewhat "detuned" because I feel that I'm very close to out running the suspension.
Brian Dunnigan
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 03:21 AM
72 cudaracer
That seems pretty impressive!
Posted By: SILVER67
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 03:30 AM
Interesting! I'd like to see some that are street-able as well as quick. I'd like to do .590 11.1 Eddy headed.... either 440 or 493. Can't decide what route to go.
Michael
Posted By: aarlucas
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 03:54 AM
I ran a 1.55 60' 7.13 @ 100 last night in my car. It is a 451 10.8 cr, ported e-brocks, street dominater intake, HP1000 carb (both carb and intake are brand new and untouched) and a small roller
258@.50 & 631 with pump gas @ 3800lbs.
Posted By: joshking440
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 03:54 AM
67 barracuda, 440 short block out of an old motor home, otb e-brocks, purp shaft 484, M1 with a pro systems 850 car went 11.49....
Posted By: WILD BILL
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 04:01 AM
My old motor was 8.6-1 CR and had OOTB Eddy heads and a Comp 555 solid cam.
Best on that motor was a 10.96.
Was typically in the 11.0 range though
Posted By: 604 Hemi GTX
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 04:18 AM
I've got a 542ci.Stock .055 over block,used 4.5 stroke crank,eagle rods,venolia pistons,509 hyd cam,915 iron heads,performer rpm intake and a 950hp carb and it's 9.5:1 comp.it's best pass is
10.92@123 in a 70 plymouth GTX
Posted By: dynamite
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 04:24 AM
Really streetable.real budget..3760 lbs.9;1 comp,stock 906 iron heads,RPM Eddy intake w/750 Holly,Bullit hyd roller cam,530 in & 530 ex lift.standard bore 440,stock crank..12.5 @107 mph..with that motor.
Posted By: 68LAR
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 12:58 PM
.030" over 440. Victor intake with 1050AN Quickfuel. Scott Brown solid cam. Eddy heads, CPPA headers. Stock A833 4 speed. Centerforce DF clutch. Home made subframe connectors. SS springs, Dana with 4.56's. Mostly street driven. Full interior. Weighs in at 3926# with me in it.
Posted By: Blues_Cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 01:53 PM
A real low budget 440...all factory parts except for pistons, valvetrain and accessories.
1975 cast crank 440 w/ stock rods, .030 Ross flat tops with an actual 10.3:1 cr using 1039 Fel-Pro gasket, Ultradyne .588 solid flat tappet cam, ported 906 heads, M-1 intake, AED 850 Holley, Hooker Comp headers, 9.5" PTC converter, 4.10 Dana 60 all in a '70 Barracuda street car. 3" TTI X-pipe exhaust all the way back to the factory style tips.
I have yet to reach the car's full potential due to suspension and carb tuning, but it has run 11.80-11.82 @ 116mph in full street trim on a 90+ degree day with crappy air. (All 4 passes that day were in that range.)
I know the car has 11.60's in it when everything is optimized and decent weather, but still need that timeslip to prove it.
For giggles, I entered the 11.80 timeslip information on this DA calculator and it came back with an 11.57 ET.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php Like I said above though...I want that timeslip to prove it.
The car is extremely streetable overall. We drive it all over town without issue.
Posted By: Von
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 02:55 PM
.040 over 440, stock crank, Crower rods (got them for a song a few years back, Probe pistons. 10.5 to 1 comp, runs fine on pump 91. Comp 259/259 .550, ported 452s dont have flow numbers, but probably around 260 @.600, M1, 950HP, 2inch Hookers
Best ET is in my sig.
Nothing special, but the combo seems to work in my fat car.......
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 04:12 PM
I would just ask; Given "X"($) for a budget and "Y"(required maintenance/type of gas/expected longitivy/etc.) for your goals...How much power could you make? For example, I believe Dartin' did pretty well building an entire quality car on a shoestring budget. It helps a ton doing 90% of the work and also having friends in low places with good resources.
Posted By: We The People
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 05:19 PM
I ran 12.37 at 108.. cast crank .030 over,9 to 1, 440, 484 cam, home ported 906 heads, crap headers, 750 holley model 3310, torker , 3.91, gears,9.5" dynamic 3800 stall cant remember the flash speed. 10.5x28 slicks, rt springs.
all steel charger with stock interior.
Posted By: Blues_Cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 06:05 PM
Here's another scenario...
Back in the early '90s we threw a '74 cast crank 440 into our 3775lb '64 Savoy to go have some fun.
It was literally a $200 junkyard motor and trans. We left the stock pistons, rods, crank, bearings...everything. We put in a used .509 cam and lifters, Team G single plane intake, 750 Holley, TCI 10" converter, and 4.56 gears. The car ran 12.80's like clockwork. We then freshened the 452 heads and put on a Max Wedge intake w/ two 600 Carters. It ended up running 12.40's @ 108 mph. The engine would just not give up...it still ran when we pulled it in the late '90s for the 'good' engine.
The short block is actually still under the bench in my parents garage. We all joked that it did not have enough power to blow itself up.
Oh yeah...the compression worked out to be 7.8:1 in the good cylinders.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 06:19 PM
.030 over 440, trw pistons, ported 906 heads, 750 roller cam, (2) 750 holleys on a weiand tunnel ram, 727 trans with old J convertor, 14-31-15 goodyear slicks and a 4:56 gear, 2800# duster. Best ET. 9.82.
Posted By: abodiesonly1
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 06:22 PM
My old 73 Duster specs......(wish I could find this car
)
446
Stock crank and rods
2295 TRW's (roughly .028 ith)
906's (2.08/1.81) shaved .050
Crane 268/278 - .580/.600
Team G
9375 Domi
went a best of 10.41 @ 126 with a 1.400 best 60'
Posted By: W7_Scamp
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 06:30 PM
75 440 .030 over 9-1 keith blacks stock crank and rods, 509 cam stock 906's tunnel ram and two 600 holleys 727 w 3600 converter
3:23 gears in all stock 70 valiant 4 door
11.60's factory fuel line nothing fancy
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 06:39 PM
I had a 440 w/ Ross flattops, 10:1 w/ stock 906 heads (just a 3 angle valve job). Stock forged crank and 6 pack rods.
509/292 purpleshaft cam, stock pushrods and rockers.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, 830 Holley double pumper
1 7/8" headers, 3" exhaust and flowmasters
10" TCI streetfighter converter, 3.91 gears
On pump gas and at 3700# it ran 11.80s at 111 mph.
I swapped heads on this motor to mildly ported and shaved 915's (12:1 compression now) and went 11.40s at 117 mph.
It went 10.60s on a little nitrous, letting off at 1000' b/c it was out of gear.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:15 PM
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I had a 440 w/ Ross flattops, 10:1 w/ stock 906 heads (just a 3 angle valve job). Stock forged crank and 6 pack rods.
509/292 purpleshaft cam, stock pushrods and rockers.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, 830 Holley double pumper
1 7/8" headers, 3" exhaust and flowmasters
10" TCI streetfighter converter, 3.91 gears
On pump gas and at 3700# it ran 11.80s at 111 mph.
I swapped heads on this motor to mildly ported and shaved 915's (12:1 compression now) and went 11.40s at 117 mph.
It went 10.60s on a little nitrous, letting off at 1000' b/c it was out of gear.
wow out of gear w/ 3.91's??? short tires?
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:23 PM
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I had a 440 w/ Ross flattops, 10:1 w/ stock 906 heads (just a 3 angle valve job). Stock forged crank and 6 pack rods.
509/292 purpleshaft cam, stock pushrods and rockers.
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, 830 Holley double pumper
1 7/8" headers, 3" exhaust and flowmasters
10" TCI streetfighter converter, 3.91 gears
On pump gas and at 3700# it ran 11.80s at 111 mph.
I swapped heads on this motor to mildly ported and shaved 915's (12:1 compression now) and went 11.40s at 117 mph.
It went 10.60s on a little nitrous, letting off at 1000' b/c it was out of gear.
wow out of gear w/ 3.91's??? short tires?
After I did the head swap, I started having traction problems w/ the added power. I changed to 4.10s and 28" tires from the 3.91s and 26" tires I had been running.
I shifted that motor around 6100-6200 rpm. With the 28" tires and 4.10s, it was out of gear at 1000' on the nitrous.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:44 PM
ahhh... that gas works well don't it?
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:45 PM
These are some good examples of budget builds for sure...Again depending on your budget. Here's a run-down on some deals Dartin ran across during his build all swapmeet, CL, and MOPART parts:
1)block/crank $260.
2)pistons and rings $200. ("451" Wiseco)
3)alloy mains $100.
4)used intake $250.
5)used heads new rockers complete fresh $2750.
6)used Dominator $450.
Being resourceful he got these 'hard' parts cheap which make 700HP at 11.5CR. There are many deals I run across on this site from complete motors down to individual parts. That's why I ask 'what is your budget' because IMO he did an interesting potent combo very inexpensively.
Posted By: Bighead440
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:53 PM
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Really streetable.real budget..3760 lbs.9;1 comp,stock 906 iron heads,RPM Eddy intake w/750 Holly,Bullit hyd roller cam,530 in & 530 ex lift.standard bore 440,stock crank..12.5 @107 mph..with that motor.
I LOVE these kind of builds! A chips-down kid who used to help me at my shop bought a '67 Coronet, we put a 3.91 SureGrip in it, and clamped the leaf springs in the front and un-clamped the back with a MP snubber. I built a manual VB (TF3 kit) 727 with a rigid int. band and a 318 hi-stall factory converter from a D250.
Motor was a '71 Imperial 440 with 100K+ miles, we cleaned everything and put cam bearings in ourselves, flipped the pistons bank-to-bank, polished the steel crank and stuck new std bearings and rings in. Used a stock set of 906 heads with good guides and stock valves with Crane's single valvespring/retainer kit and MP seals. Used a WELL used original MP "HEMI" grind 284-471/474" cam from the early '80s with the same matched lifters (been in 3-4 motors!). The only new piece of any real expense was a Performer RPM intake and a used 750 Eddy carb. We blocked the intake heat off and used some antique Hedman 1 3/4" headers and some used 2 chamber Flowmasters.
The car ran consistent 8.0s/12.50s with multiple drivers any season, any track. Shift point 5400, limiter set on 6000. VERY FUN,VERY CHEEEP. The same kid now works for a big truck shop and has a 25.1 chassis BB Dart with nitrous, Dominator, etc. and STILL talks about that Coronet!!! 
RB
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 07:57 PM
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ahhh... that gas works well don't it?
It does. It was very hard to take it off the car, but that was several years ago. I had every intention to spray the hemi, even had the pistons set up for it. The thoughts of a big wheelstand and a ruined car have kept me from doing it.
I'll be spraying again, hopefully next year...different car.
Posted By: Bighead440
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 08:20 PM
Not strictly budget, but effective is the "6-Pack" TRW motor, zero decked with a cam in the .509" PurpleShaft range. I built one for my HUGE '76 GranFury wagon sleeper (5300lb with me in it) and used ported "346" heads with 2.14x1.81" valves, Comp925 springs, custom (my picks) Comp Extreme HiLift Hydraulic cam (241/251@.050, .546/.541", 112LSA) and a trusty Performer RPM (ootb) with an 850DP. Bought Hedman E-body shorty headers to save money and before the TTIs came out. Runs 8.30s @86mph in the 1/8th with a 1.86 60ft and is very streetable and docile, although I had to put 4 mufflers on it to get any races!!!
Imagine what it would do in a light B-body or a Duster!!! RB
Posted By: 440Brian
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 09:22 PM
1972 block, crank, & re-conditioned rods, bored .030 over, with TRW pistons (9.7:1 CR). OOTB eddy RPM heads. .509 Mopar cam, Crane adjustable rockers. Hooker 2" fenderwells. 4.10 rear gears, 10" Hughes converter, 3040# race weight. Launch at 3000, shift @5800. Best of
10.95@119, 1.49 60'.
Posted By: 69CHARGERMD
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 09:32 PM
451
Edelbrock RPM heads , ported,
Solid cam
13:1
3400 Belvedere
Foot brake
456 gear
new best this weekend
10.08 @ 130MPH
Motor by Porter Racing (Dwayne Porter)
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 09:40 PM
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Really streetable.real budget..3760 lbs.9;1 comp,stock 906 iron heads,RPM Eddy intake w/750 Holly,Bullit hyd roller cam,530 in & 530 ex lift.standard bore 440,stock crank..12.5 @107 mph..with that motor.
I LOVE these kind of builds! A chips-down kid who used to help me at my shop bought a '67 Coronet, we put a 3.91 SureGrip in it, and clamped the leaf springs in the front and un-clamped the back with a MP snubber. I built a manual VB (TF3 kit) 727 with a rigid int. band and a 318 hi-stall factory converter from a D250.
Motor was a '71 Imperial 440 with 100K+ miles, we cleaned everything and put cam bearings in ourselves, flipped the pistons bank-to-bank, polished the steel crank and stuck new std bearings and rings in. Used a stock set of 906 heads with good guides and stock valves with Crane's single valvespring/retainer kit and MP seals. Used a WELL used original MP "HEMI" grind 284-471/474" cam from the early '80s with the same matched lifters (been in 3-4 motors!). The only new piece of any real expense was a Performer RPM intake and a used 750 Eddy carb. We blocked the intake heat off and used some antique Hedman 1 3/4" headers and some used 2 chamber Flowmasters.
The car ran consistent 8.0s/12.50s with multiple drivers any season, any track. Shift point 5400, limiter set on 6000. VERY FUN,VERY CHEEEP. The same kid now works for a big truck shop and has a 25.1 chassis BB Dart with nitrous, Dominator, etc. and STILL talks about that Coronet!!! RB
Those are the best kind of builds! I built my old car to drive on the highway at 70 mph and even with 3.23's, a 750 Holley vacuum secondary and crappy hard street tires it would still turn 13.5's @ 104 after I drove it there and drove it home.
No, it wasn't a rocket but with 9.5:1, very mild cam and stock cast iron intake it was very respectable and easy on the pocketbook.
Posted By: Bighead440
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/18/10 11:02 PM
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Really streetable.real budget..3760 lbs.9;1 comp,stock 906 iron heads,RPM Eddy intake w/750 Holly,Bullit hyd roller cam,530 in & 530 ex lift.standard bore 440,stock crank..12.5 @107 mph..with that motor.
I LOVE these kind of builds! A chips-down kid who used to help me at my shop bought a '67 Coronet, we put a 3.91 SureGrip in it, and clamped the leaf springs in the front and un-clamped the back with a MP snubber. I built a manual VB (TF3 kit) 727 with a rigid int. band and a 318 hi-stall factory converter from a D250.
Motor was a '71 Imperial 440 with 100K+ miles, we cleaned everything and put cam bearings in ourselves, flipped the pistons bank-to-bank, polished the steel crank and stuck new std bearings and rings in. Used a stock set of 906 heads with good guides and stock valves with Crane's single valvespring/retainer kit and MP seals. Used a WELL used original MP "HEMI" grind 284-471/474" cam from the early '80s with the same matched lifters (been in 3-4 motors!). The only new piece of any real expense was a Performer RPM intake and a used 750 Eddy carb. We blocked the intake heat off and used some antique Hedman 1 3/4" headers and some used 2 chamber Flowmasters.
The car ran consistent 8.0s/12.50s with multiple drivers any season, any track. Shift point 5400, limiter set on 6000. VERY FUN,VERY CHEEEP. The same kid now works for a big truck shop and has a 25.1 chassis BB Dart with nitrous, Dominator, etc. and STILL talks about that Coronet!!! RB
Those are the best kind of builds! I built my old car to drive on the highway at 70 mph and even with 3.23's, a 750 Holley vacuum secondary and crappy hard street tires it would still turn 13.5's @ 104 after I drove it there and drove it home.
No, it wasn't a rocket but with 9.5:1, very mild cam and stock cast iron intake it was very respectable and easy on the pocketbook.
I based Jason's build on my old '66 Coronet build, which actually used the same exact camshaft and headers in a higher compression 440 ('68 300 4dr 350hp engine) with a Street Dominator intake, Thermoquad, otherwise freshened-up stock. It had 3.23s and the low stall converter from the 300 (12"). It was kinda soft-leaving, which helped on the street, and I dispensed with a 460 powered '67 Fairlane with 4.56 gears and a '68 427 4spd Chevelle with it!!! I always knew that it would run 13s (1/4)but never took it to the track. Jason wanted to run in the low 9s (1/8) maybe 8's somewhere, and I laughed at that! The first run off the trailer with stickers still on the 9" M/Ts it ran an 8.24!!! RB
Posted By: DragtimeDodge
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 12:07 AM
446", 10:1, 93 octane pump gas, mufflers, 3,450 lbs with me. 10.61 @ 125 mph at a track with some altitude.
Posted By: Chris2581
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 12:18 AM
Old combo,but I just duplicated it with a few minor changes...
1970 block,cast Badger flat top slugs.080 in the hole,452 heads with big valves,8.8-9.0 compression if we were lucky?? 296/557 Mopar cam,750 Holley,TM-7 2" headers,small TA converter 5.13 gears 31" tires in the Demon we run now 11.30's all day long.
I just built a copy of this engine,a true 9.0 compression and Stealth heads,changed gear to 4.56,we'll see what it does later this year.
Posted By: cgall
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 12:44 AM
I have run the same block, heads, cam, lifters, and intake since 1993. In '07 I spent about $3500 on a rotating assembly, oil pump, roller rockers, and valve springs.
This is a 440 +.030, 590 cam and 906 heads. It has run 10.24 at 128 in a 2800 lb. Duster. The 440 is very reliable when kept below 700 HP.
Posted By: forphorty
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 01:47 AM
I find it interesting that i hear so many guys say " don't use those old MP cams, modern grinds are so much better". Some of the cars i've been most impressed by on Moparts have used the old 509 and 590 cams. And i think AndyF said the 528 worked better in his car than the modern profiles he tried.
Posted By: danbob
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 02:06 AM
My heap.
.055 over 440.
10.5 to 1 compression.
MCH cnc Eddys
UD cam 582 lift, 255@ 50
1.5 rockers
4.10 gears
Running in a Duster 3450 race ready.
Last weekend
Went 6.71 @103 motor
On spray 5.95 @ 116
Posted By: Darrell
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 02:08 AM
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I find it interesting that i hear so many guys say " don't use those old MP cams, modern grinds are so much better". Some of the cars i've been most impressed by on Moparts have used the old 509 and 590 cams. And i think AndyF said the 528 worked better in his car than the modern profiles he tried.
I agree!! Them ole MP cams work!
Posted By: 383man
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 02:18 AM
My budget 440:
Stock 440 shortblock with .030 over KB quench pad pistons that work fine with the 906 heads I use and cut to get 10.0 comp. It runs fine on 92 pump with the quench in the .042 to .045 area. MP .557 cam and a Holley SD intake with an 850 DP. 1-3/4 Hedman headers with 3" exh. Its in my 3700 lb 63 Sport Fury with 4.30's and a 30 x 9 tire. Dynamic 9.5 converter with frame connectors and a 6 point rollbar. Its a street car I drive to the track and race in full street trim. Best et 11.49 @ 116.
I plan to build a new eng this winter now that I am single and can afford to spend some of my money on me.
This is what I consider my budget built 440 in the car now but the new eng will have aluminum heads and a few more cubes.
Ron
Posted By: VernMotor
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 03:02 AM
.030 440 -h-beam rods- stock crank-OOB eddys heads-M1 intake- 850 QF carb 11.00s has gone 10.90s- 3700 with me in the car 4.10 gears
Posted By: Eric
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 03:19 AM
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I find it interesting that i hear so many guys say " don't use those old MP cams, modern grinds are so much better". Some of the cars i've been most impressed by on Moparts have used the old 509 and 590 cams. And i think AndyF said the 528 worked better in his car than the modern profiles he tried.
My old Duster went 10.60's at 124 with a .509 MP OOTB Eddy's...TRW slugs .060 in the hole...stock rods and crank....M1 intake with a Proform bodied 750...Hooker 2" SC...Dana with 4.56's and a 5200 stall 9" Coan......
1.40-1.42 60ft's at 3270 race weight...
Posted By: pro6pakRR
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 03:26 AM
First engine
Bone stock 1971 440 hp with a 533 mp hyd cam and stock 6 pack.8" PTC convertor.4.10 gear
12.50@105 andtime anywhere
other engine
1970 block and crank,eagle h beam rods 11.5 slp pistons,oob eddy's,1.6 crane roller's,557 mp cam and the same 6pack but with a 500 cfm center carb every thing else the same.
11.53@117
Posted By: '72CudaRacer
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 04:09 AM
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72 cudaracer
That seems pretty impressive!
Thanks.
It's not always how much you spend. Combination is the key. If all the parts are not pulling the rope in the same direction, it WILL disapoint and frustrate you.
Brian
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 12:13 PM
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446", 10:1, 93 octane pump gas, mufflers, 3,450 lbs with me. 10.61 @ 125 mph at a track with some altitude.
Wow, such a detailed description of your combo. 
Posted By: Dads426
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 12:55 PM
440, stock crank, heavy TRW pistons, stock rods, 11.0-1 with ported max wedge heads, MP 590 cam, vintage '63 cross ram with 750 eddy's, 727 w/2.77 first gear, 4500 stall, 4.10 Dana, 10.5x29" slicks, 3250(?) lbs, 11.20's. This engine needs more gear and the intake is the limiting factor (it would be faster with a good single 4bbl intake).
Posted By: earthmover
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 01:00 PM
some good running big blocks here
im keeping my
on this
Posted By: SILVER67
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 01:26 PM
Anymore 3.23 or 3.55 combo's?
Posted By: Dartin
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 01:59 PM
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72 cudaracer
That seems pretty impressive!
Thanks.
It's not always how much you spend. Combination is the key. If all the parts are not pulling the rope in the same direction, it WILL disapoint and frustrate you.
Brian
I agree completely with this.When HardcoreB and I were in the planning stages I asked sooo many questions trying to make sure everything was going to play nice together. I could not afford to throw parts at it only to find out they didn't work. Pick a goal, figure out what it will take to achieve that goal, and do a lot of diligent hunting for deals on parts. They are out there. Do as much of the work yourself that you can and don't be afraid to ask questions. I'm very fortunate to have a good friend that I can bounce ideas off of and ask stupid questions to without being embarassed. Thank you Sean!
Randy
Posted By: ccdave
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 02:01 PM
446 ci
Ported E heads
Scott Brown Solid cam
Indy dual plane
10:2 comp
750 dp carb
9.5 converter
3:55 gear
3600 pounds
11:48 @ 116 mph
Posted By: DragtimeDodge
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 11:54 PM
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446", 10:1, 93 octane pump gas, mufflers, 3,450 lbs with me. 10.61 @ 125 mph at a track with some altitude.
Wow, such a detailed description of your combo.
The original question was "How fast you guys running with similar combos?" If my combination were very different I wouldn't have replied at all, and where it did differ I pointed it out. I didn't think that needed to be stated here.
Posted By: dOc …
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/19/10 11:57 PM
Posted By: Smoparmike
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 12:30 AM
30 over 440 ross pistons ly rods stock crank ported 452 heads comp cam 560 lift
265@50. M1 intake holley 1050hp(4150) Ptc converter 456 gears 30x9 slicks 64 Plymouth 3680# best
10.86@123. Bought motor off racing junk $2500.00. Five years ago. Mike
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 02:13 AM
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I would like to see some DOLLAR NUMBERS attached to some of these so-called budget-builds !
Budget is a relative term.
One mans budget may be another mans dream build.
My 440 combo,
.030 1976 short block .070 indahole $700.00
cast crank
LY rods
516 "doorstop" closed chamber heads $550.00
Street Dom. Intake $135.00
750 3310 vac. sec. $100.00
Milodon oil pan & pick-up $ 60.00
292/509 MP cam $100.00
timing gear & chain $ 45.00
oil pump $ 45.00
$1035.00 Total
All above parts were acquisitioned via swapmeet or internet.
It will go into a 3500 lb B-body with a
3400 Coan converter
fresh 727 w/rev. man. VB
4.10 or 4.30 gear (have both)
MP electronic ignition
and a pair of "old school" Holley Blue pumps with an external regulator and return line.
Hoping to break into the 12's. 
Posted By: Blues_Cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 02:21 AM
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I would like to see some DOLLAR NUMBERS attached to some of these so-called budget-builds !
Budget is a relative term.
One mans budget may be another mans dream build.
My 440 combo,
.030 1976 short block .070 indahole $700.00
cast crank
LY rods
516 "doorstop" closed chamber heads $550.00
Street Dom. Intake $135.00
750 3310 vac. sec. $100.00
Milodon oil pan & pick-up $ 60.00
292/509 MP cam $100.00
timing gear & chain $ 45.00
oil pump $ 45.00
$1035.00 Total
All above parts were acquisitioned via swapmeet or internet.
It will go into a 3500 lb B-body with a
3400 Coan converter
fresh 727 w/rev. man. VB
4.10 or 4.30 gear (have both)
MP electronic ignition
and a pair of "old school" Holley Blue pumps with an external regulator and return line.
Hoping to break into the 12's.
You should be able to hit low 12's easily with that combo. 
Posted By: dOc …
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 02:46 AM
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516 "doorstop" closed chamber heads $550.00
DeanO from Berri ....
550$ for a set of 516's ? ... thems must-be some double-trick door-stops !
And I agree .. that combo should be DEEEEP in-da-12's EZ !
Posted By: an8sec70cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 12:23 PM
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446", 10:1, 93 octane pump gas, mufflers, 3,450 lbs with me. 10.61 @ 125 mph at a track with some altitude.
Wow, such a detailed description of your combo.
The original question was "How fast you guys running with similar combos?" If my combination were very different I wouldn't have replied at all, and where it did differ I pointed it out. I didn't think that needed to be stated here.
Your original description is so vague that at a glance it seems impressive...but you left out the big parts of the combo that dictate whether or not it's a "budget" build like the OP asked for.
Posted By: wildcargo
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 01:32 PM
64 Dodge 2840# + 240# for the fat guy, best 10.08 @ 132
motor 440 +.055=451ci
Ross domes 14:1
Eagle rods
steel crank
620MP cam Crane rockers
E heads port matched
Victor intake 950hp
2" A body headers
8 3/4 rear 4.65 gear
ATI 8" 5000 stall
Best 10.08 at 132mph 60' 1.43, 1/8 6.38 at 107
Posted By: Thor500
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 07:14 PM
66 Coronet 3650#w-driver
528 lift mech. cam
8.5:1
Source heads OTB
street dominator w 750dp
8"ta convertor
8 3/4 rear w. 4:30 gear
11.50 best with 1.59 60'
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/20/10 07:37 PM
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516 "doorstop" closed chamber heads $550.00
DeanO from Berri ....
550$ for a set of 516's ? ... thems must-be some double-trick door-stops !
And I agree .. that combo should be DEEEEP in-da-12's EZ !
Uhhhh thanks.
That's how those swapmeet deals go sometimes. 
It's a real world deal that I got a "deal" on some "budget" heads (castings, new valves 2.08/1.74, guides, valve job) and then take them to a known "good" machinist to set up the valve springs and he corrects the valvespring seat depth/width, valve guide height and then there's the price of the valve springs & retainers. Dude, it all adds up when you actually want to get something done with good machine work. Lesson learned............just use my own "barnfresh" castings, buy some required parts and go to one machinist.
At least my porting labor is free.
As the old saying goes..........."it's cost me hundreds to save a few $".
I do have other sets of heads that I've pulled together for less. But not by much.
Posted By: Blues_Cuda
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/31/10 02:37 AM
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A real low budget 440...all factory parts except for pistons, valvetrain and accessories.
1975 cast crank 440 w/ stock rods, .030 Ross flat tops with an actual 10.3:1 cr using 1039 Fel-Pro gasket, Ultradyne .588 solid flat tappet cam, ported 906 heads, M-1 intake, AED 850 Holley, Hooker Comp headers, 9.5" PTC converter, 4.10 Dana 60 all in a '70 Barracuda street car. 3" TTI X-pipe exhaust all the way back to the factory style tips.
I have yet to reach the car's full potential due to suspension and carb tuning, but it has run 11.80-11.82 @ 116mph in full street trim on a 90+ degree day with crappy air. (All 4 passes that day were in that range.)
I know the car has 11.60's in it when everything is optimized and decent weather, but still need that timeslip to prove it. For giggles, I entered the 11.80 timeslip information on this DA calculator and it came back with an 11.57 ET. http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php Like I said above though...I want that timeslip to prove it.
The car is extremely streetable overall. We drive it all over town without issue.
An update in case anybody is interested...
I got the 11.57 out of the car today. The run before that was an 11.64 @ 118.26 mph.
Good air made the difference. Now I need to get to the suspension tuning. 
Posted By: moparmanjames
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/31/10 05:12 PM
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Anymore 3.23 or 3.55 combo's?
1969 Roadrunner, 3700#, 3.23 gear, 91 oct gas
906 heads, big valves, iron rockers
10:1 TRW's, 6 pack rods, 509 cam
Holley Street Dominator intake, Holley 850
Solid 7 blade steel fan, stock alt. & pump
1.75 headers, 3500 stall 727 w shift kit
29.5 x 12.5 Sportsman Pro's
12.45 @ 110 in 4500 density altitude in 100+ degree heat in Las Vegas.
11.759 @ 111 DA corrected et.
I drove it to work and to the track often, that thing was a lot of fun when I put 4.30's, a dominator carb, and a small roller cam in it, ran a best of 11.48 @ 118.
Posted By: forphorty
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/31/10 09:15 PM
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Anymore 3.23 or 3.55 combo's?
1969 Roadrunner, 3700#, 3.23 gear, 91 oct gas
906 heads, big valves, iron rockers
10:1 TRW's, 6 pack rods, 509 cam
Holley Street Dominator intake, Holley 850
Solid 7 blade steel fan, stock alt. & pump
1.75 headers, 3500 stall 727 w shift kit
29.5 x 12.5 Sportsman Pro's
12.45 @ 110 in 4500 density altitude in 100+ degree heat in Las Vegas.
11.759 @ 111 DA corrected et.
I drove it to work and to the track often, that thing was a lot of fun when I put 4.30's, a dominator carb, and a small roller cam in it, ran a best of 11.48 @ 118.
Sounds like a nice running car.The cam, carb and gear change picked it up a bunch too. My junk: 68 Satellite glass 6 pak hood. 3.23, .030 over 8.5 , pocket ported 906s, stock valves.Comp 292 hyd, Torker, 750 DP, Hooker 1.85, GERRR 10 in., 28x9 M/Ts. 12.35 at 106 in cool fall Okla weather.
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 10/31/10 09:35 PM
went 8.56 @ 156 I think many years ago with a stock crank stock rods 906 heads, 590 cam, trw slugs.
in a dragster
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 12:24 AM
A couple of mine:
Rebuilt 440 with six pack slugs, stock 906 heads (milled to 80cc) orig Eddy torker, 750 Holley, Crower hyd cam 240-ish @ 050, 4.30's and a WAY too loose J-converter with 4.30's: 11.41 @ 117 in a 69 Dart
.030 over 440 with 2266 TRW out of the deck. 255-ish cfm 906 heads, R280 roller, M1, 1050 Dom, 8" converter, 4.86's, with a back-half and ladder bars...14x32's: 10.28 @ 128 best in a 73 Cuda.
A buddy's from years ago that's still one of may favs:
STOCK 78 short block...pistons down .070. STOCK 915 heads, MP .484 cam, Eddy RPM, 750 Holley, OEM 11" Hemi converter, 4.56's: 12.48 @ 109 best in a 3800# 65 Sat WAGON!!!!
Posted By: fast68plymouth
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 01:07 AM
-448"
-Sealed Power forged flat tops(bought in 1981) .055 down the hole
-actual CR of 9.7:1
-LY rods with the old MP bolts
-.020/.020 steel crank
-old DC .510/292 cam
-bowl blended big valve 906's(later tested and flowed 239cfm)
-Torker II, OOTB
-ported annular 850 Holley(905cfm)
-2" Hookers
-4.10 gear
-10" GER converter(yup....GER)
-29.5X10.5 M/T slicks
-SS springs
-3600lb race weight all steel 68 Satellite, full interior
11.40's @ 119
swap to Dynamic 9" race converter(4900 flash) and 4.56 gears, went 11.21 @ 122
port heads to flow mid-260's, add .650 lift UD roller cam and HS rockers, new roller springs, etc,
went a best of 10.61 @ 126+ at 3670lbs(added roll bar).
the extra head work and roller cam now had the converter flashing to 5300.
best 60' was 1.46.
this was circa 1995.
Posted By: tboomer
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 01:37 AM
Hi,Dwayne!! Always nice to see ya around!! Yuppp..That one was simple and fast!!
Posted By: ProSport
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 03:37 AM
73DartSport owns my old 73 Sport now, I found a smokin deal on a low deck 451 short block(400 block with 440 crank), stuck some stock Eddy heads on it and the MP 590 purpleshaft and went 10.20 with a Dominator and 2" headers in a 3050# car with driver. I had the heads ported and went 10.00's with a 9.96 in great air, then added a tunnel ram and went 9.90's with a best of 9.89. I never dreamed it would run like that, only hoped for 10.50's when finishing the car. Compression is about 11.2:1, pump gas on the street, mix of pump gas/race gas at the track, no transbrake, no power adders, fun car on the street, even has a quiet X-pipe exhaust system.
New owner went 9.77 last month!
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 07:23 PM
nevermind...
Posted By: jim sciortino
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 11/01/10 07:54 PM
From the early 90s....
440 4.375 x 4.150
.590 solid
11.2 comp
906 heads-home ported
M-1 intake w/gasket match
9375 Holley w/2in spacer
3380# 69' Barracuda, SS springs, 9in 4500, 4.56 Dana, inboard kit with 30 x 12 slicks. Street driven constantly.
Took it to ATCO once for a rent day and ran a string of 10 ohs between 133 and 135 change. 10.03 being the best. Air was about 1500ft IIRC.
Posted By: viperblue72
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 06:34 AM
Thought id bring this old post back from the dead. Because I enjoyed reading it and I am finally building a serious budget 440. Plans have changed. Now have a cuda and using a 72 440 shortblock with 440source heads, rpm intake, holley 950. I also have a comp xe274 cam but wanna go bigger. Anybody know how big of a cam you can go with a stock 440 smogger with pistons .150 in the hole?
This motor will be until I build something better.
Posted By: deaks
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 10:57 AM
Here's mine then
440 RB, J E domes 12.7.1, .590 cam, MCH RPM's milled to 76 cc, victor intake, holley 950 hp, 3200# with me, 727 with 4800-5000 ultimate converter, dana 60 4.56 gears, SS springs, hoosier 31x10.5x15 slicks.
best times and speed in sig.
Mick
Posted By: Joes66dart
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 01:27 PM
We just dropped our budget build in the car last night. It is a 68 hp 440 with a set of 915 hp heads. It has old trw slugs 24 in the hole, steel shim head gasket to get the quench at 40. Stock rods and crank. the heads have had a little work done but nothing fancy. we put new springs an titanium retainers on them. MP 590 cam. We put harland sharp 1.6 roller rockers on. Victor intake with a new holley 950 hp carb. Hooker 1 7/8 fenderwell headers. 727 w/ brake and a ptc convertor. 4.56 gears. The car is a 1966 dart and weighs #3275 with me in it. We built this motor from the ground up and everything was bought off the internet either from craigslist or mopar sites. I had all the machine work done at a local shop. I think I ended up with about $4500 in it. I will post some times as soon as I get it to the track which will probably be the first Mo-Power event in columbus
Posted By: 340man4ever
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 02:46 PM
Mine:
1974 Dodge Dart 2dr 3300lbs at the line.
440 zero decked w/flat top pistons. Ported 915 heads flow 268/207 peak. 11.25:1 Compression
Mopar 590 Solid Cam
850 HP carb, M1 intake, McCandless/ ProParts Headers
727 trans w/ Dynamic 9.5 converter (hi gear flashes 5100) 4.30 gear, 30x9 slicks
Footbrake @ 1800rpm shift at 6200
Bests so far:
10.77 @ 122.8 mph 1/4
1.47 60 ft
6.80 @ 99.79 1/8th
Posted By: MoParFish
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 03:18 PM
Stock steel crank
Stock LY rods & rod bolts
2355 TRW Flat Tops
Ported 452s milled to 80cc
10.7:1 comp???
.575 262/262 solid roller with 1.6 rockers
Victor manifold with 850 Holley
B Body 3825lb Car & Driver [Email]11.54@118[/Email] and with 200 shot of spray just went [Email]10.57@126[/Email]
Wonder how long the bottom end will live
Wow! Just noticed how old this thread is...
Posted By: dare_dude
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 08:57 PM
Soon as I get moving on dart I want to do a stroker. I thought many times about 440 or 400 but you can get stroker kit for same as upgrading 440 0r 400.
Posted By: VoodooCLD
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 10:18 PM
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Mine:
1974 Dodge Dart 2dr 3300lbs at the line.
440 zero decked w/flat top pistons. Ported 915 heads flow 268/207 peak. 11.25:1 Compression
Mopar 590 Solid Cam
850 HP carb, M1 intake, McCandless/ ProParts Headers
727 trans w/ Dynamic 9.5 converter (hi gear flashes 5100) 4.30 gear, 30x9 slicks
Footbrake @ 1800rpm shift at 6200
Bests so far:
10.77 @ 122.8 mph 1/4
1.47 60 ft
6.80 @ 99.79 1/8th
What fuel do you run in that thing?
Posted By: 340man4ever
Re: How fast are you guys going with budget 440? - 05/07/12 10:37 PM
I run VP 110