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Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index

Posted By: HEMIFRED

Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 05:21 AM

Corey Bales driving the Mike Rothbuilt Challenger Drag Pac entry in E/SA
ran a 10.00 yesterday


the index is 11.70 and record 10.46

go
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 05:28 AM

WOW!!!!!! Any pics or video??
Posted By: moeflo

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 05:29 AM

Fred, I don't know why NHRA is so slow about factoring these new cars (DP's and Mustangs). Currently, they're not in the ballpark. Then I see 5 SS/AH cars, all in the 8.60's that aren't qualified for the eliminator. Does anybody have a grasp on how much time/money is involved to get one of those cars that fast? The factors are all screwed up.
Posted By: moeflo

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 05:36 AM

...make that index screwed up in AH.
Posted By: cudadoug

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 06:31 AM

Indy rumor is they are going to get HP on Tuesday. I hope they get hit hard and refactored into REALITY.

I have heard of one 5.7 that made 615 HP on the dyno.

Can you say "BOGUS"? I knew you could...

And yes the Phords need HP added, too!
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 09:21 AM

I don't think anyone had a solid idea on what HP
they would make until now. One program that I am familiar with has seen gains of 25 HP since first testing based on tuning. Just like any other factory package in the past I am sure adjustments will come. Let's just hope they don't render the cars usless like the early pro stock rules did
Posted By: Steve1118

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 01:05 PM

I have a buddy with a 428 Cougar E/SA that has already started wailing and gnashing his teeth over these "bogus" combination.

After all, they should be "stock" cars. Just like his Cougar with the Edelbrock aluminum heads, the "chemical milled" components, and his boxfull of cams, all different, all legal. Right.
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 02:30 PM

I failed to mention the E/SA car is only a 5.7 and out ran most of the 6.1 A/SA cars
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 02:59 PM

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Fred, I don't know why NHRA is so slow about factoring these new cars (DP's and Mustangs).



How do you factor a car that just hit the tracks? Until the cars hit the National, or Divisional races no way to adjust them.The only people that are happy racing in Stock/SuperStock, are the guys at the top. The rest need to work on there cars, and pick it up.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:00 PM

wow
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:08 PM

The 5.7 combo will probably get 3.25% this week, and shortly the 5.7 will be in A or AA only. The 5.9 will get hit too.

I believe the AA/S CJ got hit and will have to move into SS.

It will all shake out in the end.

I can feel for the guys with the older iron, but this has always been the nature of class racing. Hero to zero in the stroke of a pen.

Most of the guys whining were the same ones whining about guys dumping and protecting their indexes. Now, NHRA took away .3 of index, the guys aren't dumping with the fast cars, and the other guys are still whining. See a pattern?
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:17 PM

in the end isn't it all just a bracket race anyway
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:22 PM

Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout.
Posted By: mack

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:39 PM

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Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout.




You are correct on the AH cars but several years ago NHRA decided that class wins mean nothing but a Class Walley and some bragging rights. Winning class does not put you in the field . You have to be one of the fastest 128 to get in... Don't believe this is right but still the way it is.....
Posted By: 408Dust

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 03:51 PM

Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in.

Class winners are no longer guaranteed a spot in the eliminator.
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 04:10 PM

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Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout.



So then the screamers are worried about the index staying soft because how far you can run uner it it determines you making the field. That's much easier than in the early 70's when you ran. The handicap was based on the nation record and you had a tenth breakout allowed. All these records now are bogus to me.
Posted By: Jamie340

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 04:21 PM

We raced the Candies car, and had our heads handed to us. We went a 10.85 and we were the slowest E/SA in the qualified field. There is no comparison between the two cars. The DPs are a very well thought out race car. From fresh air, after market manifold, after market oil pan, let alone the rear suspension.
Indy had 174 cars show up for stock and CJs and DPs raised the bar, and a class win does not guarantee a spot. That rule has been changed.
Jamie
Posted By: mr_340

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/06/10 05:30 PM

Fred, I can remember the Stock guys running off the records. From what I remember, that didn't work since people protected the records and rarely set them to keep their cushions. I think the AHFS will work, it just takes too long when the HP factor is so far off to start with. Maybe they need to review them more frequently and make more adjustments accordingly. That PT Cruiser is another one that will take time to get the HP right.
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 02:39 AM

ANYONE KNOW THE COMBO OF THE PT CRUSIER
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 02:52 AM

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ANYONE KNOW THE COMBO OF THE PT CRUSIER



PT GT Convertible

2.4L turbo
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 05:48 AM

Quote:

Quote:

ANYONE KNOW THE COMBO OF THE PT CRUSIER



PT GT Convertible

2.4L turbo



everyone here at Indy that I asked said it was not a turbo ?
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 06:02 AM

Wrong there WedgieFred, the Folks you were talking to at Indy must have been having a few too many cold ones. I can assure you its turbo'd

http://www.classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?p=207893
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 07:05 AM

thanks I just won a bet
Posted By: proshiftcharger

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 07:55 AM

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Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout.



Ok with that being said how does Super Gas 9.90 work and Super Street 10.90 or any fixed index class? How does qualifying work for these types of classes?
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 01:23 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Yes and No... Bracket race unless you are laddered up against another car in your class, then it's heads up.Normally the index is for qualifying, and isn't a problem except at INDY where 160 cars show up, and only 128 race. You can either qualify into the 128 car field, or you can win class and bump the low #128 car. Want a gaurenteed spot in the Eliminations? Build a car now one runs in, win class and you are in. Most AH cars do not care about anything other then the shootout.



Ok with that being said how does Super Gas 9.90 work and Super Street 10.90 or any fixed index class? How does qualifying work for these types of classes?



field of 16 or 32 closest to 9.90 is #1 and so on.
I think in quailfying that any ties are decided by reaction time
Posted By: The Avg. Valiant

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 02:14 PM

Oh I thought they took 64 was the max for a super class? I know alot more than 32 sc cars show up to the sportsnationals(or in years past they did). I know they have had trouble filling fields in recent years because of the economy.
Posted By: rryan5429

Re: Mike Roth E/SA10.00 on 11.70 index - 09/07/10 03:34 PM

As far as super classes go. They are an all run. They are laddered after first round based on closest to index. First round is random pairing.

As for the horsepower factor of the new cars. It wouldn't, doesn't take a genious to get them closer then they are.

I'll give you an example using Jeff Teuton's 5.9 and John Grays 72 Nova 350.

John's Nova is rated 278HP by NHRA. It's has 10.0-1 compression, .390/.410 lift cam, 1.94-1.50 valves and a quadrajet.

Jeff's 5.9 is rated 275HP. It's just shy of 11.5-1 compression, has a .490/.490 lift cam, 2.02-1.60 valves, aluminum heads, a tall single plane intake and large throttle body.

Now just by looking at the numbers it's quite easy to see the 5.9 should greatly outpower the 350. Yet the 350 was rated higher. I don't think NHRA should factor it 325 right out of the box. However, 295-300 rating would still make that a fast car and not be throwing it in the face of everyone else running in those classes.
I'm glad it's so soft. We're thinking about building one for our 68 Dart to run in SS/GT.

As for the blown Fords. Who knows what to factor them.

Rick Ryan
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