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Posted By: John

buy-backs - 05/08/10 03:35 AM

Last weekend at an NHRA divisional race, an announcement was made the morning of eliminations that all class racers who lost in the first round would be allowed to buy-back into the Super Pro or Pro classes. Is this a normal option? Most of the SP and Pro guys were growling about it.
Posted By: 1976 Aspen

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 03:52 AM

Buybacks are stupid... Why have a first round???
Posted By: jamesc

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 04:06 AM

Posted By: TMP66

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 06:15 AM

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Last weekend at an NHRA divisional race, an announcement was made the morning of eliminations that all class racers who lost in the first round would be allowed to buy-back into the Super Pro or Pro classes. Is this a normal option? Most of the SP and Pro guys were growling about it.



All right, come clean. This sounds like a play on words.
Were the first round losers in stock & super stock allowed to pay and additional entry fee to enter Super Pro or Pro BEFORE their first round? This sounds more likely.
Posted By: John

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 01:45 PM

TMP66: No, they could wait until AFTER they lost to make the decision to buy into the SP/Pro classes. Also, all classes could do this, not just super stock and stock.
Posted By: '72CudaRacer

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 01:49 PM

Standard operating procedure at many bracket races. Being old school, I don't really like them. It's like a fee for extra time trials. My home track (Cherokee Dragway) actually has TWO rounds of buy backs. Some tracks have one round of buy backs, some have 1st OR 2nd round BB (buy back ONCE 1st or 2nd rd). I prefer a "mulligan card" race (3rd round seems to be my toughest). You buy a "mulligan card" at the gate when you enter and use it to get back in the race ONCE any round except final rd. It can make for a long race.
Brian
Posted By: John

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 03:17 PM

I'm not opposed to buy-backs if they form their own, separate, class which is the normal procedure at our track.

What threw us on this one was that it was an NHRA Divisional race and the "heavy hitters" were allowed to buy into the SP/Pro bracket classes. It just seemed a little weird.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 03:56 PM

pretty commom practice. most people have travel to division events. so if you go out first round thats a long drive for one race. really what difference does it make? to win a race you have to beat everyone anyway. and sometimes twice I really don't care either way. have won races from the buy back and been beat by somebody buying back.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 04:01 PM

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"heavy hitters"



There's your answer right there. The travelling "Sportsman" professional racers usually get what they want.

Question is, did any of them win in S/Pro or Pro?
Posted By: jamesc

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 05:57 PM

i've never brought back but if you're a long way from home i can see the plus. that said while i believe they changed the rules iirc at atco they had double entries and buy backs. so you get the sharks running TWO cars, double enter them and have buy backs to boot. i mean how many cracks you gonna give these guys? they're already deadly. do you really think the sharks are gonna miss that many times? not mentioning names but i'm sure some here can guess some of the guys i'm talking about. so basically if you can afford a six figure race program (two OR MORE high dollar cars), are already capable of xeroxing .00X packages and put out thousands for multiple entries you stand a pretty good shot at mowing over the "average" racer any time any where. so like i said being far from home i can see the plus but drag racing was founded on and should remain one shot, one kill
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 06:10 PM

Buy backs are used to make up and help pay the purse, and track expence for a low car count feild... Its pretty standard.....
We also have before first run of eliminations "dial for a dollar" which is actually $5 who can run closes to there time and has the best light...This would be ran on the last time trial...
Posted By: Sixpak

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 07:58 PM

Define Divisional - when I hear that, I think a division points race, where Stock, S/S, Super St/Gas/Comp, etc. get contested. I've not been to a real NHRA divisional points race that had classes like Pro or Super Pro, unless it was something like the Bracket Finals (although it's been a while) - are you sure this was a 'Divisional' race? Or was it some sort of 'Record Run' or Divisional Open' and not a Division "points" race?
Posted By: rowin4

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 08:02 PM

I can see and have used buy backs, but it should be held to that class, not used as a entry into another.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 08:18 PM

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Define Divisional - when I hear that, I think a division points race, where Stock, S/S, Super St/Gas/Comp, etc. get contested. I've not been to a real NHRA divisional points race that had classes like Pro or Super Pro, unless it was something like the Bracket Finals (although it's been a while) - are you sure this was a 'Divisional' race? Or was it some sort of 'Record Run' or Divisional Open' and not a Division "points" race?


I have seen it at a IHRA division points race
Posted By: TMP66

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 09:21 PM

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TMP66: No, they could wait until AFTER they lost to make the decision to buy into the SP/Pro classes. Also, all classes could do this, not just super stock and stock.



Your still not answering the question.

Was their (class racers) first round run, then the first round losers were allowed to pay Super Pro/Pro entry fee and race BEFORE first round of SP/Pro?

If this is the case it's not a buy-back, just paying to enter and race SP/P. Basically it's a consolation race for first round losers of the class cars.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: buy-backs - 05/08/10 11:38 PM

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Define Divisional - when I hear that, I think a division points race, where Stock, S/S, Super St/Gas/Comp, etc. get contested. I've not been to a real NHRA divisional points race that had classes like Pro or Super Pro, unless it was something like the Bracket Finals (although it's been a while) - are you sure this was a 'Divisional' race? Or was it some sort of 'Record Run' or Divisional Open' and not a Division "points" race?


I have seen it at a IHRA division points race



NHRA does it in Division 6.
Posted By: John

Re: buy-backs - 05/10/10 03:20 PM

It was a Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series race (Boise Ignitor) which I think is a divisional race. ??? There were classes for top sportsman, super comp, super gas,. etc. Nine classes plus Super Pro and Pro.

The first round losers in these classes were allowed to buy in to the SP/pro classes AFTER they lost first round and BEFORE the SP/Pro classes made their first runs. I don't know what the buy-in fee was.

The local bracket racers won both SP and Pro classes.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: buy-backs - 05/11/10 04:25 AM

If it was before SP and Pro made their first rounds then it wasn't a buy back. Simply letting them enter another class. I would simply love it if Div 3 would let SP and Pro run at a Divisional race.
Posted By: dave571

Re: buy-backs - 05/11/10 04:40 AM

Hate it, when the buy backs are in with the other racers.

Should be a seperate class. No if's ands or buts

You can't buy a touchdown in football, or a goal in hockey.

I drive 1000 km to a nostalgia race every august, and have gone out in the first round. That's how it goes. The drive is not a good reason to butcher a sport, so you can pay to play once you've already lost.
Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: buy-backs - 05/11/10 04:46 AM

Good luck keeping the sport alive at the local tracks around here without buybacks.
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