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RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video**
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/12/10 04:22 PM
Put the engine in my car that we built for CarCraft just to make a car show here locally a few weeks ago with the help of Rob and decided since I was basicly called out for things like "485HP is pathetic for a big cammmed 410" and "those heads are not stock" even though that's the way we sell them with NO PORTING I figured the only way to silence the PEANUT GALLERY was to run it!
So last night, me and Rob took the car to Irwindale Speedway where they have a nice little 1/8 drag strip and got 3 runs in before leaving.
Mark and Phil were also there to share in the fun. Good to see you guys again!
So the pathetic 485HP 410, Rob's 3500 stall 10" Hughes converter, mech. water pump, alternator, all street legal with muffs to boot right off the trailer it went 7.00 at 95.6 MPH with a 1.46 60ft!
I removed the aircleaner and already had the air pan on and it didn't seem to help much as it went 6.987 at 95.5 MPH with a 1.45 60ft.
Last run I really leaned on it at the starting line, launching at 3300rpm, carrying the front end a bit it went 6.94 at 96 MPH with a 1.43 60ft!!
So there it is, my 3350lb car went 10's with this "pathetic" as it was called pump gas 410 with UNPORTED RHS heads and RPM intake, 750DP holley carb, my 1 7/8 headers cause that's what I had which made less power than the 1 5/8 headers, and a HYD FLAT TAPPET CAM!
Yes I did run slicks...Ohhhhh shooot now I'm in trouble....LOL....LOL.....LOL!!
This engine made 485HP and 517TQ on our dyno and this is what it ran in my car....I will have pics tonite, and scans of the time slips...is that enough?
It will have to be....ha ha ha!!
Posted By: ademon
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 04:26 PM
were going to need a video of the runs LOL, just kidding nice job
Posted By: ademon
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 04:29 PM
i wasn't sure where those comments were coming from also, there are a ton of 440 + CI aluminum head engines running around strips across the US that are not making 485HP
Posted By: 1Fast340
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 04:35 PM
thats realy impressive for unported heads! congrats on the good performance.
it would be real nice just for reference to know what that thing could run if the only change would be a real good portjobb, it may just be some wishing but would be cool
Posted By: patrick
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 05:22 PM
nice times. what does that work out to as far as HP using say the moroso calculator?
my only beef was calling them OOTB heads, as they aren't OOTB RHS heads, since they come from RHS with seats cut for a 1.92 intake valve, and you prep and sell them with 2.02's...
Posted By: earthmover
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 05:31 PM
now thats running great to be iron heads low cost and you got to shake your butt at the haters..hahaha
Posted By: HardcoreB
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 05:32 PM
Victory! Congrats on the success guys and thanks for the update. That is a nice package IMO.
But, this post is useless without pics and video!!!
Posted By: dOOc
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 05:33 PM
How do the RHS heads compare to the Eddies ? Which head would be more practicle for a real driver 408 ?
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 06:21 PM
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How do the RHS heads compare to the Eddies ? Which head would be more practicle for a real driver 408 ?
The 2.02 RHS heads will outflow the Eddy's 265-ish to 245-ish. The 1.92 RHS heads will flow right with the Eddys at that 245-ish mark.
Good job Brian! But get ready for the slicks to be an issue with some; some will question what exhaust, gear, etc...so tell us those details will ya? Did you actually compare the 2 sets of headers on the dyno??
Again, HIGH FIVE to you!! 
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 06:22 PM
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How do the RHS heads compare to the Eddies ? Which head would be more practicle for a real driver 408 ?
i asked that in the last thread, they flow better OOTB than eddies and at fewer $$..the eddy does have more HP potential, tho.
Posted By: rickstershemi
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 06:48 PM
Well Brian at 3350 my calcs say that's what it sould run at 485/500 nice
Rickster
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 07:06 PM
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my only beef was calling them OOTB heads, as they aren't OOTB RHS heads, since they come from RHS with seats cut for a 1.92 intake valve, and you prep and sell them with 2.02's...
Now that's really grasping....LOL!
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 07:18 PM
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How do the RHS heads compare to the Eddies ? Which head would be more practicle for a real driver 408 ?
The 2.02 RHS heads will outflow the Eddy's 265-ish to 245-ish. The 1.92 RHS heads will flow right with the Eddys at that 245-ish mark.
Good job Brian! But get ready for the slicks to be an issue with some; some will question what exhaust, gear, etc...so tell us those details will ya? Did you actually compare the 2 sets of headers on the dyno??
Again, HIGH FIVE to you!!
Everyone kinda knows my car to some degree...it's not a true street car, but I have 3" exhaust system with Spintech muffs, I ran slicks, 4.56 gear, 904 trans, and ladder bars out back.
But...it's heavy and I ran it like we dyno'd it other than the exhaust which probably didn't help HP any, and I ran an alternator to boot.
I foot braked the car because the converter is NOT setup for trans brake.
So my car is not a ringer...but it's not a true street car either...but it's what I had to test with and what you see is what you get!
I know plenty of guys who put slicks on their street cars when they go to the track. And best times were shifting well above 6000rpm too, which surprised me a lot!
This thing didn't even crack 490HP on our dyno...LOL!
I will be pulling it out and dyno'ing it again just the way it comes out of the car, and then we will be testing both a summit carb, my 950HP and also how much an electric water pump is worth on this engine.
So I'll post that info once I have it.
Just remember this engine was all bolt on's and no extra working like porting or anything like that.
What I want people to take from this is the fact that we built a reasonably priced stroker sb mopar that performs as good as it looks and sb guys don't have to spend the big fortune they once did to achieve an engine that makes great power AND lives on the street.
And anyone can repeat this combo with very little effort.
Posted By: FlyFish
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 07:33 PM
I forget...what were the cam spec's on this motor?
Posted By: POS Dakota
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 07:56 PM
Well damn, that's just...pathetic!!!
Awesome Brian.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 08:08 PM
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I forget...what were the cam spec's on this motor?
It's a 295HL comp cam, 251-257@ .050 with about 580 lift with the 1.55 rockers.
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 10:05 PM
i want one!
Posted By: FlyFish
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 10:52 PM
That's Awesome! Nice work Brian!!
Posted By: CompWedgeEngines
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 10:59 PM
Yes, but did you get the timeslips Notarized ?....
Posted By: S/ST 3040
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 11:07 PM
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nice times. what does that work out to as far as HP using say the moroso calculator?
Since the Moroso calculator is set up for 1/4 mile, I used 121 MPH
and 3350 lbs. 455 HP
Package is obviously not wrung out with 3 passes on it so, you could
call them shake-down passes with no tuning.
Nice low buck streeter.
Posted By: D-50
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 11:10 PM
Are they magnum or LA heads? Will they work with dome top pistons? I am impressed with the results you got.
Posted By: gregsdart
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 11:16 PM
Hey Brian, great job on the motor. Tens on a juice cam smallblock is hauling the mail in my book.
Posted By: Streetwize
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 11:51 PM
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/12/10 11:54 PM
very nice
, the 60' times are way better than the ET shows though.
Posted By: Bee4spd
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 12:58 AM
Awesome running combo. Out of curiosity, what kind of vacuum did it pull at idle?
Posted By: MoparMark
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 01:02 AM
Brian, just sent you the pics from last night for a little bit of proof and to answer all the replies, yes the car ran great for a "low power pump gas street motor". So, If anyone is looking for an inexpensive street engine with great potential, give Brian a call.
Posted By: Ron Silva
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 01:25 AM
I am going to let you say it is a 10 second car. That happens to be EXACTLY what the Valiant runs at Irwindale. And , guess what...........
Posted By: Ron Silva
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 01:29 AM
Oh yeah, that "IS" a great Motor. I would seriously consider buying one if I was in need.
Great Job Brian!
Posted By: HEMIDARTS
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 01:44 AM
sounds real nice!!
Posted By: gtsdude
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 02:38 AM
That sounds like something I would be interested in myself. Those heads work with the old 340 stock replacement pistons?
Posted By: tjmarcus1
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 02:49 AM
the 6.90's and 7flats wouldn't be too impressive for a 410 UNTIL you factor in the unported iron heads and a hyd. flat tappet cam and pump gas. NOW that's impressive!
Posted By: StrokerAspen
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 02:55 AM
Rock on Brian! That is awesome to hear!!!!
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 03:11 AM
Thank you guys very much! It means alot that you can see what we did on a somewhat tight budget considering the peformance of the engine.
Before we ever had a dyno, we built plenty of powerful street and track engines. How an engine runs down the track is MUCH more important than any DYNO #!!
This engine will be for sale soon too, if anyone is interested just PM me.
The heads are LA X heads, hughes shaft rockers. I did upgrade the pushrods to .058 wall 3/8 hollow rods over the hughes supplied 5/16 solid for a tech article about pushrod oiling. I used AMC hyd. lifters and took that time to reinstall the dual plane intake for the drag strip runs.
I'll be running it again on the dyno for a few tests soon and I'll post that info then.
I'm working on uploading and resizing pics and movies so it's going to be late before I get them on here but they are good pics and movies...thanks to Rob, Mark and Phil for the help and laughs!!
Like I said before, I'm not lighting the world on fire or anything but we now have good proof that our RHS heads can make very good power at a reasonable price.
I'd say that's pretty good for the ole sb mopar!!
I think the vacume at idle was around 7" at 1000rpm, but I set the idle in the car at 1200 and it liked that much better so at that rpm I'd say maybe 8.5"...
Posted By: 340B5
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:02 AM
I might add that that cam (XE295HL) had excellent street manners in my 340. It would idle @900rpm all day long. A 10 sec street engine.....schweeet
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:34 AM
Some pics courtesey of Mark:
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:34 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:35 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:35 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:36 AM
My G'd out gangsta lean...LOL!!
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:37 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:38 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:38 AM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 04:40 AM
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 05:07 AM
GREAT JOB Brian!!!!
Posted By: Stroker Scamp
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 05:47 AM
those are some good times, looks by the pics that your car is well sorted out chassis wise, what did that motor turn in the traps?
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 06:10 AM
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those are some good times, looks by the pics that your car is well sorted out chassis wise, what did that motor turn in the traps?
It was running about 6000rpm give or take a hundred...
Yep chassis is a big part of a drag car!
Posted By: dulcich
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 07:46 AM
Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Posted By: topbrent
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 08:10 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Way to stay classy there Steve.
Posted By: BradH
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 02:30 PM
I think it ran very well for the combination. However, if it was in the 10s, it was just squeaking in to the high 10.9s based on what my own results were. Your 60-fts were better, but my MPHs were better.
1.46 7.00 95.6
1.45 6.987 95.5
1.43 6.94 96
vs.
1.518 6.960 97.47 11.003 121.01
1.518 6.998 96.78 11.067 120.14
1.512 6.998 98.06 11.043 120.85
1.521 6.995 97.04 11.046 121.11
1.542 7.012 97.87 11.044 121.70
1.530 6.993 97.93 11.026 121.49
1.528 6.963 98.39 10.973 122.51
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 05:51 PM
Yep, it's not really a true 10 second deal if you look at my cars suspension (although it's not a true RACE car either, I mean hey I have full interior in this thing!)and the only reason it clicked off a 6.90 is how hard it leaves...and the fact that the engine makes good power.
I don't care what anyone says, in Drag racing the starting line is where it's at.
This is PROOF of that!!
Ofcourse the mph will be low, it only made 485HP and that was with no mufflers, no alternator and with the other headers that didn't fit my car.
I will say this again...ANYONE with good suspension like my car can run these numbers...ANYONE!
I even used a street converter...infact I've been driving the car to work a few days a week just because it's been so much fun!!
I forgot how many looks you get and how many thumbs up you get just driving around...LOL!
Being very real with this build, I'd say a typical street car with some suspension mods, slicks or street slicks and a typical street gear between 3.55 and 3.91 should be able to run 11.30's to 11.50's with no problem.
Actually my car is geared WAY too low for this engine, it just blows through the powerband of this engine ridiculously fast. 1st gear is about useless on the street and second gear is almost useless.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 05:53 PM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
My car is not very light...so unless the engine has decent power, it's like any other car really.
If we do a "part 2" with this build, we'll find out...
Posted By: BradH
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 08:30 PM
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... I don't care what anyone says, in Drag racing the starting line is where it's at.
Yep. Although I was happy to have found 4+ more MPH from the #s above when I brought the car out again in 2008-2009, I may be even happier to have cut the 60-ft. times down from 1.51-1.53 to 1.45-1.46 still using the same 4.10 gear, 9.5" street/strip converter and DOT-legal tires.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 08:53 PM
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Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 08:55 PM
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 09:09 PM
Looks and sounds good.............runs good to.
Posted By: ademon
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/13/10 09:29 PM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
Posted By: rickstershemi
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/13/10 09:42 PM
Stout....Very nice to see hard work pay off....
Rickster
Posted By: LSP
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/13/10 10:59 PM
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Put the engine in my car that we built for CarCraft just to make a car show here locally a few weeks ago with the help of Rob and decided since I was basicly called out for things like "485HP is pathetic for a big cammmed 410" and "those heads are not stock" even though that's the way we sell them with NO PORTING I figured the only way to silence the PEANUT GALLERY was to run it!
So last night, me and Rob took the car to Irwindale Speedway where they have a nice little 1/8 drag strip and got 3 runs in before leaving.
Mark and Phil were also there to share in the fun. Good to see you guys again!
So the pathetic 485HP 410, Rob's 3500 stall 10" Hughes converter, mech. water pump, alternator, all street legal with muffs to boot right off the trailer it went 7.00 at 95.6 MPH with a 1.46 60ft!
I removed the aircleaner and already had the air pan on and it didn't seem to help much as it went 6.987 at 95.5 MPH with a 1.45 60ft.
Last run I really leaned on it at the starting line, launching at 3300rpm, carrying the front end a bit it went 6.94 at 96 MPH with a 1.43 60ft!!
So there it is, my 3350lb car went 10's with this "pathetic" as it was called pump gas 410 with UNPORTED RHS heads and RPM intake, 750DP holley carb, my 1 7/8 headers cause that's what I had which made less power than the 1 5/8 headers, and a HYD FLAT TAPPET CAM!
Yes I did run slicks...Ohhhhh shooot now I'm in trouble....LOL....LOL.....LOL!!
This engine made 485HP and 517TQ on our dyno and this is what it ran in my car....I will have pics tonite, and scans of the time slips...is that enough?
It will have to be....ha ha ha!!
Why worry about what some internet clowns have to say?, the 517 ft. lbs. is what gets the car moving, let everyone else get in a frenzy over power and flow numbers, nice job.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/14/10 12:00 AM
I wasn't worried really. Infact, I didn't really even want to run the car because I wasn't sure I could make it launch without spending some time with the carb.
My normal engine is a W2 headed 360 that I launch with a brake and 2 step.
I figured that if it did dip into the 6's in the 1/8 that at least people would see first hand what they can expect from our dyno #'s in a real car which is what we race, not #'s!
So I felt it would not only show that but I can benefiet too by knowing what works on the street and strip with our heads.
Plus it did make for some interesting time spent and getting in the car again after a long dry spell was really fun!!
Really, how many companies do this kind of thing? Not many....
Posted By: tjmarcus1
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 01:24 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
you do know who steve dulcich is, don't you?
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/14/10 01:56 AM
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I think it ran very well for the combination. However, if it was in the 10s, it was just squeaking in to the high 10.9s based on what my own results were. Your 60-fts were better, but my MPHs were better.
1.46 7.00 95.6
1.45 6.987 95.5
1.43 6.94 96
vs.
1.518 6.960 97.47 11.003 121.01
1.518 6.998 96.78 11.067 120.14
1.512 6.998 98.06 11.043 120.85
1.521 6.995 97.04 11.046 121.11
1.542 7.012 97.87 11.044 121.70
1.530 6.993 97.93 11.026 121.49
1.528 6.963 98.39 10.973 122.51
My calculations for Brians 6.94 1/8th mile run equals 10.895,not high 10.9's. With some tuning,could go 10.70's-10.60's
Posted By: MIKES_DUSTER
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/14/10 02:00 AM
Brian....Your duster hooks HARD!!!!!! Whats the suspension again??
Do you remember what rpm's you shifted at??
Posted By: w2stroker
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 02:08 AM
nice job Brian!!! i don't think i can scrape up the money just yet, but i'll be needing a motor like that very soon for the 68 dart body i just picked up to make a street car out of.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/14/10 02:16 AM
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Brian....Your duster hooks HARD!!!!!! Whats the suspension again??
Do you remember what rpm's you shifted at??
Ladder bar/coil over and loose front end.
That's the funny part. First run I overran the shift points bad! I shifted into 2nd gear at 6800rpm and 3rd was about 6300rpm.
Next time I shifted at 5800-5900 and last run I shifted 6200rpm.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 02:21 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 02:27 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
you do know who steve dulcich is, don't you?
Nope.. 
Don't care either..
BTW.. Nice job Brian.. Way to go on going the extra mile..
Chris..
Posted By: 69Cuda340S
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 02:33 AM
Nice launch in that video. And it moves out good after the launch too.
Posted By: Grizzly
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 03:03 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
you do know who steve dulcich is, don't you?
I think he's the guy who just inserted his foot into his mouth on "Unlawfls' Race Only" forum.
Welcome to the real world, Steve, where quarter mile times are required to back up your claims.
Posted By: dannysbee
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 03:24 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
you do know who steve dulcich is, don't you? [/quote)
I think most know who he is. I don't care if he cured cancer. You can voice your opinion without being a condescending jackass. 
Posted By: b1dartsport
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 04:41 AM
Great job Brian!! I would be very interested to see this same combo with just some bowl & short turn work & just a small solid roller which would not be that much more expensive and not lose its streetability....very impressive
Posted By: dulcich
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:16 AM
Maybe we could have a good matchrace; I'll spot you 84 cubes and run a 318 (326) with leafs.
-dulcich
Posted By: B1Fish540
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:55 AM
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Well, I guess your Duster is fast without much power. I wonder what id run with a good 410, or a 318 for that matter.
-dulcich
Ok your turn Steve, lets see your "good" 410 sb in a car running down the track, video please
you do know who steve dulcich is, don't you?
I think he's the guy who just inserted his foot into his mouth on "Unlawfls' Race Only" forum.
Welcome to the real world, Steve, where quarter mile times are required to back up your claims.
Geez dont you guys read MM? 
I think steves remarks are tongue in cheek, brian does'nt seem to bothered by it..bring on the match race!! 
Posted By: ademon
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:57 AM
as long as its a pump gas motor like the OP. dumped MM about a year ago.
Posted By: Dodgem
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/14/10 01:58 PM
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 04:49 PM
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Maybe we could have a good matchrace; I'll spot you 84 cubes and run a 318 (326) with leafs.
-dulcich
I will come down and see that one for myself. I'd like to see a 318 (that's pumped for cylinder displacement) run those numbers that has...
1) 91 swill in the tank
2) An iron "replacement" head
3) Hydraulic cam
4) Same weight car
5) Through the muffs
6) Similar 10" converter
Yea, I read that the 400 HP ( ) 318 went 500 with the bottle, but you'd have to leave that at home this time.
With all due respect, (stratch that; you don't deserve any) the time clocks at Irwindale aren't near as "happy" as that bench and dyno that you use in all your Magazine stuff...
Posted By: moper
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:24 PM
...and people wonder why decent tech guys don't bother posting here much...
Posted By: 68DART360
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:44 PM
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...and people wonder why decent tech guys don't bother posting here much...
well said! I agree.....
Posted By: dannysbee
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 05:56 PM
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Maybe we could have a good matchrace; I'll spot you 84 cubes and run a 318 (326) with leafs.
-dulcich
Dulcich is most likely pimping this ride. This was off the Supercharger Store site.
The Supercharger Store has teamed up with Mopar Muscle Magazine and Hughes Engines to show you how to build STOUT BIG BLOCK POWER in a 318 and have awesome performance and great fuel economy in the same package
Posted By: RobX4406
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 07:13 PM
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Maybe we could have a good matchrace; I'll spot you 84 cubes and run a 318 (326) with leafs.
-dulcich
Dulcich is most likely pimping this ride. This was off the Supercharger Store site.
The Supercharger Store has teamed up with Mopar Muscle Magazine and Hughes Engines to show you how to build STOUT BIG BLOCK POWER in a 318 and have awesome performance and great fuel economy in the same package
Bring something similar to the IMM build, of course he wouldn't! No naturally aspirated, no power adder engine. I guess that stout 400hp 318 isn't good enough.
Spot someone cubes then toss a supercharger on it, that's apples to apples.
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This engine was featured in the March 2010 issue of Car Craft magazine and will be the sunject of a full feature in Mopar Muscle magazine.
Here are the actual numbers:
No Supercharger: 370 HP and 349 ft/lb torque
With Supercharger: 662 HP and 587 ft/lb of torque
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I expected something like this or a 318 like Mazz ran in his SS/GT car. Somebody thinks most of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday...
Posted By: AndyF
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 07:49 PM
Yeah, how about Mazzolini's 318? Just a little stock block 318 with cast iron heads and a QJet carb.
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 08:32 PM
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/14/10 09:24 PM
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Yeah, how about Mazzolini's 318? Just a little stock block 318 with cast iron heads and a QJet carb.
Yep, runs about as good as $15,000 S/S motor in a $40,000 Super Stocker should!
Posted By: topbrent
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! - 03/15/10 01:48 AM
Play nice, guys. Leave the trash talking BS for YellowBullet.
Remember, this car stuff is supposed to be fun...
Posted By: 2264PLY
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/15/10 03:14 AM
I guess I probably dont half as much as Steve,Brian or most of the people who post here. I've gotten allot out of Steve's articles as well as Brian's posts. For people like me this information is useful. Not everybody will share it. So keep it coming!
Posted By: 64physhy
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video - 03/15/10 03:40 AM
I've seen and heard the engine that Brian built for Louis (Mad Dart) and it was sweet. I think that one is putting out a bit more than the one this post is about. Hey, Lous, when are you taking it to the track? I'm hoping to have the Duster ready by June, maybe earlier.
Posted By: dannysbee
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/15/10 04:07 AM
I don't know if all have followed this from Brian's first post on the RHS headed 410 Pump gas engine and his dyno work on the engine. If you have not you should go to the thread that prompted Brian to install the 410 in his own car and take it to the track. I have been on this site for quite a while now and I have always thought that Brian does a good job of sharing his knowledge with informative posts and trying to lend a hand where he could with racers problems. So for someone to come on here and insinuate he was only posting for personal gain and his efforts were pathetic gets under my skin.
Posted By: TheOtherDodge
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/15/10 12:46 PM
Good to see that RHS heads running well! I have a set on my 2000 Dak because I broke a valve spring on my stockers and they were "only" $1,300 to the door and will be good for a decent build up when I go through the motor one day (125,000 miles currently).
My ET's in my sig are with the stock heads...
Posted By: Hemiroid
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 03/15/10 01:13 PM
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I don't know if all have followed this from Brian's first post on the RHS headed 410 Pump gas engine and his dyno work on the engine. If you have not you should go to the thread that prompted Brian to install the 410 in his own car and take it to the track. I have been on this site for quite a while now and I have always thought that Brian does a good job of sharing his knowledge with informative posts and trying to lend a hand where he could with racers problems. So for someone to come on here and insinuate he was only posting for personal gain and his efforts were pathetic gets under my skin.
Brian is one of the most sharing guys on this site. He, RyanJ, CompetitionWedge, BG's crew, S/ST3040, Best Machine, Mike@ MM, Koffels and lots of others put out a lot of great info for FREE. If by doing that they pick up some business, GOOD!
These guys bust their butts doing what they do every day. The fact that they take time out of their already busy day to try and help guys here on Moparts is a testament to their character and their quality. Thanks for all of the help over the years!!
Posted By: dart_73_br
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 03/15/10 04:52 PM
Posted By: ChrgrCuda
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics & Video** - 06/14/10 10:41 PM
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I don't know if all have followed this from Brian's first post on the RHS headed 410 Pump gas engine and his dyno work on the engine. If you have not you should go to the thread that prompted Brian to install the 410 in his own car and take it to the track. I have been on this site for quite a while now and I have always thought that Brian does a good job of sharing his knowledge with informative posts and trying to lend a hand where he could with racers problems. So for someone to come on here and insinuate he was only posting for personal gain and his efforts were pathetic gets under my skin.
Brian is one of the most sharing guys on this site. He, RyanJ, CompetitionWedge, BG's crew, S/ST3040, Best Machine, Mike@ MM, Koffels and lots of others put out a lot of great info for FREE. If by doing that they pick up some business, GOOD!
These guys bust their butts doing what they do every day. The fact that they take time out of their already busy day to try and help guys here on Moparts is a testament to their character and their quality. Thanks for all of the help over the years!!
Here here! Agreed and my hat's off to them, especially RyanJ!
Posted By: rickstershemi
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 06/15/10 02:15 AM
Posted By: all spooled up
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/07/10 01:30 PM
nice running sb. great write up. and very clean looking duster
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/07/10 03:16 PM
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nice running sb. great write up. and very clean looking duster
Thanks!!
Posted By: StrokedDart
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/07/10 05:41 PM
so have you sold that engine yet Brian??
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/07/10 06:03 PM
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so have you sold that engine yet Brian??
Yeah, it went bye bye a week after that issue hit the stands.
Infact, I've sold a couple of them since then. Exactly as the article build.
We're doing another shortblock like that, but this time we're porting eddy heads, street roller cam and taking the budget deal a step further to see if we can make 100HP more with different heads (still somewhat reasonably priced)and roller cam.
We'll also be comparing the rpm air gap to the victor intake and also EFI and probably testing F&B's EFI sixpack setup too.
Should be a jam packed article and maybe a full 8 pages long!
Posted By: kick_the_reverb
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/07/10 07:40 PM
Nice, looking forward to it.
Ran
Posted By: Bruce K Bridges
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/29/10 01:11 AM
Brian,
I would say for sure testing a 6bbl EFI system from F&B. A dry six pack can be a lot of fun! (unless you're talking about beer)
Bruce
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/29/10 02:23 AM
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Brian,
I would say for sure testing a 6bbl EFI system from F&B. A dry six pack can be a lot of fun! (unless you're talking about beer)
Bruce
I am looking forward to it. When will that bad boy be finished?
How about the 1000cfm TB for our 393?? Oh, I'm getting ready to build a sb for Hotchkis to put into their 70 challenger and I really wanted to use your 6 pack setup but they wanted to keep it carbed.
But we're a go for the article deal. Good to see you on here Bruce!!
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/29/10 04:54 PM
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...Oh, I'm getting ready to build a sb for Hotchkis to put into their 70 challenger and I really wanted to use your 6 pack setup but they wanted to keep it carbed....
Bring on the HP! Time to kick some Camaro butt!!
Posted By: Brian Hafliger
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 07/29/10 06:25 PM
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...Oh, I'm getting ready to build a sb for Hotchkis to put into their 70 challenger and I really wanted to use your 6 pack setup but they wanted to keep it carbed....
Bring on the HP! Time to kick some Camaro butt!!
Thanx Steve for the recommendation too!! I appreciate that!
Posted By: Bruce K Bridges
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 08/01/10 02:05 AM
Brian,
Hotchkis motor? I talked to them at MATS re: sixpack EFI... They seemed interested. Id be interested in a Hotchkis suspension for my 72 Barracuda... Why the carb decision? EFI works better for slalom IMO
Bruce
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: RHS headed 410 PUMP GAS UPDATE! **With pics** - 08/01/10 08:56 AM
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Brian,
Hotchkis motor? I talked to them at MATS re: sixpack EFI... They seemed interested. Id be interested in a Hotchkis suspension for my 72 Barracuda... Why the carb decision? EFI works better for slalom IMO
Bruce
They want to keep a stealth look and have something that is more relatable to a broader span of customers.
The cars they are competing against in events like the Optima Challenge are scratch built on-off "Camaros" with $100K to $200K builds. Not much left of a Camaro exect the bare inner shell. Even the body panel are all tweeked to except bigger tires.
The top "Camaro" has new supercharged LS9 $21K crate motor with 638 HP that have been modded on top of that!
The current 340 motor in the E-Max Challenger runs a 13.9 quarter. With that motor they finished 4th in the road course and 3rd in autocross. They were not that far off the pace from the Camaro with the above mentioned mods. 52 cars competing: http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69695
