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Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE**

Posted By: Scamp451

Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 06:13 PM

Finally got the motor on the Dyno yesterday. Very pleased with the results considering what this in this old dinosaur. The limiting factors that Brett stated are what limited the power/tq. The pulls were done on VP 110 but will run E85 when it gets in the car. I also did not have the 2" spacer he suggested, and the headers were borrowed (last minute) and had mufflers in the collectors which robbed some as well.

Brett has the Dyno sheets scanned, any guesses on what it made? Here is a quick rundown. If I missed anything I am sure he will clarify even though he hates to type:

X block- 4.060 bore, 3.454 stroke
No flow data on the heads or intake... see earlier in the post for info on them https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1
1.5 steel rockers
Predator cam
266 in/272 ex @ 050
.430 lobe lift
Lobe sep. 104 in/112 ex
Gross 645 in/653 ex
Cam was degreed in at 104
Gutted lean burn dist w/ a crank trigger
1-5/8-1-3/4 stepped sprint car headers
Timing was happiest at 38°
We tried his Pro Systems Dom as well as my out of the box 1050 which were only a few HP between the
two.Mine liked 88-90 jets, and has power valves in thre front and rear.
The rotating assembly is anything but light, but this is going to be a bracket motor and not out to bend the needle. Oil pressure was through the roof with nothing done to the pump (M72HV).

Nothing fancy in the motor, especially by todays standards. Sorry, no prize for hitting the number, just bragging rights.

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Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 07:27 PM

488 TQ
588 HP
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 08:36 PM

535 hp at about 7200... did you change anything in
it or is that the way you bought it... if I remember
right you got that pretty cheap so you should be pretty
happy either way
Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 09:38 PM

I didnt see the compression of the engine, but the other thread showed a dome on the pistons...So I will assume at least in the 12.5-13:1 range? Hmm...
568hp and I figure 1.38 Lbs/torque per inch so 490ish for torque.
Posted By: cheapstreetdustr

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 10:53 PM

if it does run that kind of compression..
and the cam lift i am seeing..
i am thinking the torque should be pretty good even with only 3.4 stroke.
so my guess..
588hp 442 trq. with the smaller carb.
i bet it sounds nasty.!!
cheapst.
Posted By: 340_Dart

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/06/10 11:02 PM

Brian,
I just got off the phone with Brett telling him that i got my 408 that he and i went over this winter fired up today. He told me all aoout the troubles with headers and oiling system line on the motor...

And he told me what power it made, but i won't spoil the fun for everyone else. I'll just say this, that little scamp of yours outta fly with this motor in it! - Andy
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 03:25 AM

Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 03:28 AM

Posted By: W5DART66

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 03:53 AM

Glad you got home OK Brian was a long day to say anything about it LOL. Sorry I did not think about the small bolt pattern exhaust in the heads........... I wish it would have went little smoother but it was all good in the end. I thought it would make little more power than it did.
The header mufflers are for (USAC sprint car rules) and I did not know the headers had them in until we got done on the dyno they have done back to back tests on the 358 chivy stuff and it hurts them about 10 HP and 10 TQ at every point not just peek #s. The header are just to small and the add in collector is necked down to about 2 1/2" (was 3" collector to start) and its 1-5/8 to 1-3/4 primary.
I think the intake is not matched well to this combo and a Indy intake would get us 15~25 HP but just putting 2" HVH deal on this intake should help maybe 10 HP 10 TQ.
Other than that this engine is so smooth pulls right to 8000rpm and on the dyno you can get a "FEEL" for how an engine will take load and how smooth it accelerates and it did that very well.
The oil pressure is WAY to much over 100 psi at 210* oil temp on a back to back pull. I guess we should have got some thin oil to put in it that would have helped HP some.... I guess I should just get done with all the excuses and show the dyno results LOL

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Posted By: W5DART66

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 03:57 AM

Oh BTW dont look at fuel #s the $5.00 distributor and the 15year old wire set was messing up the dynos data acquisition for fuel readings.(To much EMI)
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 10:55 AM

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Oh BTW dont look at fuel #s the $5.00 distributor and the 15year old wire set was messing up the dynos data acquisition for fuel readings.(To much EMI)



I was just about to say 42.2 looks just a little rich
Posted By: mopar_to_ya

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 12:55 PM

Hey Brett,
Did you try the Addative on this engine dyno session?
We did a Dyno-Demo this week with a 900hp turbo dsl tractor pull engine, and picked up 6HP and 9.5FtLbs of torque with a 15oz bottle, and it raised the torqe throuhout the higher RPM range too. Oh, and they were really happy with the oil temp drop, and are hoping to get more passes per oil change, which they change every 3 runs now.

good numbers
take care
Posted By: mopar_to_ya

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 12:57 PM

Brian,
Glad to see you got her together, and with GOOD numbers to boot.
You gonna' get her in and run it this year. I'll be you are itching to race again,lol.
Take care
Ronnie
Posted By: W5DART66

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 01:27 PM

Quote:

Hey Brett,
Did you try the Additive on this engine dyno session?
We did a Dyno-Demo this week with a 900hp turbo dsl tractor pull engine, and picked up 6HP and 9.5FtLbs of torque with a 15oz bottle, and it raised the torque throughout the higher RPM range too. Oh, and they were really happy with the oil temp drop, and are hoping to get more passes per oil change, which they change every 3 runs now.

good numbers
take care



Sorry I did not get to try it I forgot it at home kind of upset me but we had a LONG day started off bad the night before and just got worse for most of the next day but in the end 560HP for $4000.00 total is good in IMHO.
I will be putting one of my W8 engines on the dyno soon I will give it a shot in that.
Posted By: mopar_to_ya

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 01:50 PM

No problem Brett. I was just wondering if you gave it a shot. Give me a shout sometime and I'll let you know some #'s from BBR testing.
Take care and good #'s for a cheap motor
Posted By: Scamp451

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 02:31 PM

Quote:

Brian,
Glad to see you got her together, and with GOOD numbers to boot.
You gonna' get her in and run it this year. I'll be you are itching to race again,lol.
Take care
Ronnie




If this year, not until later in the year. BTW the oil pan sealed up like a charm. I gave Brett 2 pans, he use the Charlie's over the Milodon since you don't have to use those pesky rubber seals in front and back.

Need to get digging into this W8 motor at some point. Brett got some flow data on them last week, so I am a bit gitty about that one.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 03/07/10 02:36 PM

Nice numbers..... that oil pressure sure is up there
Posted By: all spooled up

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 04/29/11 11:25 PM

did you ever get it in the car and make any passes
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: Mancini Racing ARCA W2 engine ** UPDATE** - 04/30/11 02:36 AM

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Oh BTW dont look at fuel #s the $5.00 distributor and the 15year old wire set was messing up the dynos data acquisition for fuel readings.(To much EMI)



I was just about to say 42.2 looks just a little rich




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