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Just off the dyno,(Superflow 902 dyno,new and pretty tight)my 461small block N/A pump gas single 750holleyHP with only a 1 3/4 header(didnt have any other ones) made 751HP and 665FT,thats 1.629horse per cube and 1.44torque per cube,what do you guys think?

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What do I think your making me sick That much power on pump gas N/A is absolutely outstanding especially from a single four barrel street motor SB

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what do you guys think?

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461small block N/A pump gas
...1 3/4 header(didnt have any other ones)
made 751HP and 665FT

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That is very nice.

Are those the headers you will run in the car? What does your car weigh and what do you think it will run in the 1/4 mile?

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Just off the dyno,(Superflow 902 dyno,new and pretty tight)my 461small block N/A pump gas single 750holleyHP with only a 1 3/4 header(didnt have any other ones) made 751HP and 665FT,thats 1.629horse per cube and 1.44torque per cube,what do you guys think?

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Wow, thats almost 200hp and 100ft more than my pump gas 505". You small block guys are really starting to get to me

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Congrats on a very stout smallblock!

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Ya these are the headers I run in the car,thru full exhaust,best last year was [Email]9.52@142.82[/Email],at the time the engine made 741hp and 632torque on a older junkier dyno.I was really happy that the engine made what it did on this superflow!!!!!!!

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gee, I guess no one here told you that's impossible !

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i think he's asking for it by not sharing any specs on the combo.."750cfm. pump gas, hot cam, stroked" thats not much info to go on. I think a big block with heads that flow around 350 cfm would be hard pressed to make that kind of power on pump gas and a 750 cfm carb. Now if it had a 1050 dom and big roller around .800 lift and hi compression it would be understandable.

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Just off the dyno,(Superflow 902 dyno,new and pretty tight)my 461small block N/A pump gas single 750holleyHP with only a 1 3/4 header(didnt have any other ones) made 751HP and 665FT,thats 1.629horse per cube and 1.44torque per cube, what do you guys think?

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what do i think. hmmmmmm

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ty valves were about 2500.00

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Ohhhh, it's all comming back to me know, I didn't want to take out a lean on my house to buy them for my little stroker so I went with stainless instead

Excuse my ignorance, I know they weigh less, but what are the advantages in terms of benifits going to TI valves?

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Here's the dyno sheet! No typos.

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No typos, just remember its Canadian HP, that means they spend more of their dollars so they get more HP

We want details....

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details!

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I bet that electric water pump has alot to do with it. mike

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details!

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If you want to see some pics of the car and times go to missionraceway.com web site,and go to Oct10,11 weekend,black 68 barracuda,fri nigth went 9.57 Took alot of time to figure a cam out and that I want to keep to myself.

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i would just be interested in the lift...

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For all you real guys that appreciated an engine build like this,thanx for all the great feedback and for the rest of you and you know who you are; even if I gave you the engine you would still be in disbelief about what it can do.
Good luck to you all in your next race season! We will be in Mission Oct 2 & 3rd of this year....meet us there! Should be a good time!

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maybe you shoulda told us all you wanted to do was brag

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Here's the dyno sheet! No typos.

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Nice lookin dyno sheet,,,,,,,I wanted to see a pic of the car

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Guys like you make me hate this site!!!!!!!!! All I was wanting is some feedback on this smallblock of mine and of course a julous guy like you comes along and kicks me in the teeth. THANX MOPAR MAN

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SAY IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!! IM LISTENING maybe you could help this combo out alittle more,with your tricks?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Go get them Dude tell them to bring there best horse and rider and we will see who goes home with there tails between there legs I agree with some of those that have had the same type of responces(run ins ) from some of the more learned book expets on here, they can tell you how to do everyting perfectlty including the exact best lobe to run on a cam but they can't set the valves on there own 12 sec. cars I for one am a firm beleiver in the old adage, if you can't say something good about a person or there project don't say anything at all unless there one of your racing buddys or racing enemys then all rules are off

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Ya some guys spend 20grand on an engine,big deal most still cant build anything close to this!!!!!!!

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Before your head swells to much,although you deserve it for the performance you achieve(congradulations) We have a few "small blocks"locally that run mid nines with ease and no power adders.Although Mark Davis has since sold his Demon,his car ran 9.50 and was street driven with less inches and at 3150#.We commend you for a nice car and great performance,but your presentation was a bit strange

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congrats I don't care what the dyno says the ET speaks for it's self.

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Agree dyno numbers dont mean much,but at least the car backed them up.

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Dyno numbers are like women, there output can vary, depending on the day Dynos, like women, can be manipulted, and end up telling you lies that you will believe

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Man i love this site Sound like a killer smallblock..

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having an engine very similar to yours i know it can be done, and i know you have more left on the table, it's only $$$$.

*****please don't stop sharing info on your car*****

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Thanx. just a question in a nice way was this smallblock(s) your talking about on race gas or pump gas? Thanx

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Yes,small blocks,110 at the track Get that thing tweaked you might find more.

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:Took alot of time to figure a cam out and that I want to keep to myself.

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I remember this build now... If you want your cam specs to be a secret, you should tell Ryan (Not RyanJ) not to post them on other sites...LOL

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:Took alot of time to figure a cam out and that I want to keep to myself.

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I remember this build now... If you want your cam specs to be a secret, you should tell Ryan (Not RyanJ) not to post them on other sites...LOL

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:Took alot of time to figure a cam out and that I want to keep to myself.

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I remember this build now... If you want your cam specs to be a secret, you should tell Ryan (Not RyanJ) not to post them on other sites...LOL

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:Took alot of time to figure a cam out and that I want to keep to myself.

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I remember this build now... If you want your cam specs to be a secret, you should tell Ryan (Not RyanJ) not to post them on other sites...LOL

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You're talking about wrong guy...... The original poster with the 461 is one who does'nt want cam info out.

Huberto's (449Valiant) 449" 360-1 Cam is 280/288 @ .050" & off top of my head I think .758"? Lift 109 LSA? 1.65 T&D's. Nothing "special" His motor made 767? I don't remember exactly & I'm sitting in Hotel room in Vegas @ moment so can't look it up. His "only" made 617? TQ? But that is just variation in dynos..... that is still biggest TQ # ever put up by a Gasoline SB Chrysler on that particular dyno, so.... I know it's not a slouch. I'm going to start using a brand new Stuska dyno here this month, so I'll have whole new learning curve to try to figure out how motors compare.... I expect the Stuska to put up high(er) #'s & I have already discussed playing with correction factor if need be with dyno owner to lower the #'s. AS we;'d both just like to see "normal" #'s.... he does not want his dyno to be known as stingy or as putting up inflated #s... So we're going to run some semi "known" combo's & see where the #'s fall & go from there.

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Are you doing some porting there ryan...lol wait for my bro....lol

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but wrong on me being ignorant. You say the 588 is purpose built and that's fine.

If you could build more power why did HEMIFRED have DTHEMI build his newest motor???

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Ok my turn. I am not sure either of us needs to explain our actions. However this is the internet where rumors and innuendo flourish. So let's put out the fire before it starts. . It all started out when I bought a rotating assembly from DTHEMI. Darren shipped it to BG for the build. Bg's 588 in my Duster has been everything and then some. 8.58 and I am sure there's more as I never re jetted or touched the timing.Well over 150 trouble free passes so far This is what BG builds. A strong dependable bracket type motor meant to be reliable and long lived.
My discussions with BG on what the build would involve changed when I decided to use the Millennium heads. I never realized that what I wanted a kill would take much more time effort on his part than doing three bracket type motors. In consulting our with Darren much of the combo was nearly exactly what he had already done twice over. In using the Millennium's to their best potential as I wanted would require a great deal of head work . Relocating the intake ports to a different location as to benefit from a straighter shoot from the carbs . Raising the exhaust port a good deal more. There are some other items that I care not to mention. This takes in house machinery along with much extra time and work. I was going to have BG send them back to Darren for this operation.. He had done it all twice before on a 604 and 653 builds.
I told Darren I regretted asking BG to step outside his normal routine. Then the three of us elected to send it back to Darren to simplify the build and eliminate the potential mess I was creating.
I am fortunate to have three very close friends as builders with each tops in their field.
Dave Heitz owner of Christine gets any and all blown alcohol work. The 5.87 in his Daytona at E-town driven by Scott Cannon says enough.
BG gets the bracket ones as he has that stuff down to a science. I have yet to hear of one of his motors not exceeding it's expectations.
Darren fits the 'on the edge " stuff since he thrives on it. Making 1261 HP all motor on E-85 .
And for anyone to question Bob Georges ability let alone his honesty or integrity is out of line.For what Bob does for the sport is immeasurable and his help to racers less fortunate is a testament to his character.We need more Bob Georges and shops like BGR.To quote BG,"Our customers become our friends,our friends become our family."
We are proud members of "Bob George Racing" South Jersey Division here

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Thanks,Fred,Randy and all the racers who really know me and what BGR really stands for,you humble me with your comments.Thanks to all the racers at the shop who help their fellow racers and a "special"thanks to my late son Robert Curtis George who started the BGR group and may we always carry on his legesy with respect.

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but wrong on me being ignorant. You say the 588 is purpose built and that's fine.

If you could build more power why did HEMIFRED have DTHEMI build his newest motor???

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Ok my turn. I am not sure either of us needs to explain our actions. However this is the internet where rumors and innuendo flourish. So let's put out the fire before it starts. . It all started out when I bought a rotating assembly from DTHEMI. Darren shipped it to BG for the build. Bg's 588 in my Duster has been everything and then some. 8.58 and I am sure there's more as I never re jetted or touched the timing.Well over 150 trouble free passes so far This is what BG builds. A strong dependable bracket type motor meant to be reliable and long lived.
My discussions with BG on what the build would involve changed when I decided to use the Millennium heads. I never realized that what I wanted a kill would take much more time effort on his part than doing three bracket type motors. In consulting our with Darren much of the combo was nearly exactly what he had already done twice over. In using the Millennium's to their best potential as I wanted would require a great deal of head work . Relocating the intake ports to a different location as to benefit from a straighter shoot from the carbs . Raising the exhaust port a good deal more. There are some other items that I care not to mention. This takes in house machinery along with much extra time and work. I was going to have BG send them back to Darren for this operation.. He had done it all twice before on a 604 and 653 builds.
I told Darren I regretted asking BG to step outside his normal routine. Then the three of us elected to send it back to Darren to simplify the build and eliminate the potential mess I was creating.
I am fortunate to have three very close friends as builders with each tops in their field.
Dave Heitz owner of Christine gets any and all blown alcohol work. The 5.87 in his Daytona at E-town driven by Scott Cannon says enough.
BG gets the bracket ones as he has that stuff down to a science. I have yet to hear of one of his motors not exceeding it's expectations.
Darren fits the 'on the edge " stuff since he thrives on it. Making 1261 HP all motor on E-85 .
And for anyone to question Bob Georges ability let alone his honesty or integrity is out of line.For what Bob does for the sport is immeasurable and his help to racers less fortunate is a testament to his character.We need more Bob Georges and shops like BGR.To quote BG,"Our customers become our friends,our friends become our family."
We are proud members of "Bob George Racing" South Jersey Division here

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Thanks,Fred,Randy and all the racers who really know me and what BGR really stands for,you humble me with your comments.Thanks to all the racers at the shop who help their fellow racers and a "special"thanks to my late son Robert Curtis George who started the BGR group and may we always carry on his legesy with respect.

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this thread is making me want to move back to PA.

BGR