WATCH "THE AMERICAN MUSCLE CAR TONIGHT"@9:30PM

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Thanks for the reminder

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...but a factory blueprint buildup? not gonna make 820 hp. CHIP

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I was disappointed as it would have been cool to see a "factory spec" shootout.

Mike

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My stock hemi was turning 360 HP net on a chassis dyno and I was still chasing a vacuum leak as well as total advance at the time (not to mention fowled plugs at the time). I’m sure it was close to 375-390 net by the time I got it dialed in. Stock everything!

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What do you mean by stock?

My definition of STOCK is when everything is EXACTLY as it was when built (35 - 40 years ago).
That's exceedingly unlikely.

Milled heads, decked blocks, over-bores, different cams (regardless of specs, since they don't fully define lobe profiles), 3 angle valve jobs, lightweight, aftermarket internals, etc. don't meet my definition of stock.

Even something as "trivial" as a .030" overbore is significant because it un-shrouds the valves and raises the compression ratio, each of which increases output.

A modern, mandrel bent exhaust system fitted with modern, high flow mufflers technically isn't stock either, though I'll let that go as long as it is specified.

Let me show you an example of my definition of stock, just so we're on the same page.:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1763828

I'll bet the "totally stock" examples will be making 500 HP at the wheels 40 years from now.

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So what is your point? You must have a brand X engine, and seem a bit jealous. Your not suggesting the contest was bias? Fact is in tuned form the hemi is the ultimate engine package, what is argue about that. The show clearly pointed this out...

Its entertainment

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Why don't you PM DTHemi and see if he will tell you??

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I already have.

I want him to reveal the full truth on the main board, though.

And ideally, I would like the TV show to apologize to its viewers for misleading them.

The 426 Hemi is a fine engine for what it is. All I want is THE TRUTH.

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thats top secret only true mopar people have a right to that info

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...or someone with a brain.

It was likely a 496+ CID stroker engine built up in a manner similar to those that run in F.A.S.T. It ran a .600"+ lift cam with obscene duration and a very tight LSA. It also ran worked heads, modern, lightweight internals and every other trick in the book.

I didn't see the show, but I suspect that long tube, open headers were also involved.

Sounds "stock" to me!

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You could really get your post count up if you didn't edit every single post you make and just add a new one.

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thats top secret only true mopar people have a right to that info

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...or someone with a brain.

It was likely a 496+ CID stroker engine built up in a manner similar to those that run in F.A.S.T. It ran a .600"+ lift cam with obscene duration and a very tight LSA. It also ran worked heads, modern, lightweight internals and every other trick in the book.

I didn't see the show, but I suspect that long tube, open headers were also involved.

Sounds "stock" to me!

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if you had a brain you wouldn't have come here poking the big bear. it's not a safe place for honduh drivers

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Not to detract from your Acura or the newer cars, but with all the assist newer cars get,(computers,tuned port fuel injection, etc.)they should perform to their optimum levels. Muscle cars back in the day didn't have any of the tech that is available now to have fully optimize their full performance potential. Todays cars have everything available in the way of optimizing their performance all the way down to the suspension and tires.

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Fuel injection doesn't increase power by all that much.

Do you require proof?

This 455 Pontiac made LESS power with EFI than it made with a good carb:
http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/tech/hppp_0704_new_age_455_fuel_injection/index.html

Furthermore, front wheel drive with an open differential is hardly "optimized" for drag racing.

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Did the Pontiac have tuned port fuel injection? Just wondering.

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This LS1 did:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0409em_gmpp/index.html

And the carb still did pretty good - despite the fact that the LS1 was specifically designed for EFI.

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That still doesn't tell the whole story. Especially one test. There is still quite a few other factors involved in new car design that assist in the tuning and performance of newer engines that older engines never had a chance to enjoy. Is this what they call a strawmans argument?

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My V6 Acura would have been more than enough to put away that TRULY "stock" 440.

And the hemi needed super-tuning and slicks in order to truly beat the Acura.

That's back when those cars were brand new and not modified in any manner.

Isn't it funny how they just keep getting faster as time marches on?





We call that PROGRESS.

But again, this is off topic.

I want to know THE TRUTH about the hemi engine in question.

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You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has Mopars. And those Mopars have to be guarded by men with ballz. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Hondas and you curse the Hemi's. You have that luxury. You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at car shows, you want me in that Mopar. You need me in that Mopar.
We use words like Hemi, wedge, blowers...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very horsepower I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a wrench and start wrenching on your pathetic Acura. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

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Now that's funny!

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http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc136...THEMIvs4401.jpg


My V6 Acura would have been more than enough to put away that TRULY "stock" 440.

And the hemi needed super-tuning and slicks in order to truly beat the Acura.

That's back when those cars were brand new and not modified in any manner.

Isn't it funny how they just keep getting faster as time marches on?





We call that PROGRESS.

But again, this is off topic.

I want to know THE TRUTH about the hemi engine in question.

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You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has Mopars. And those Mopars have to be guarded by men with ballz. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Hondas and you curse the Hemi's. You have that luxury. You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at car shows, you want me in that Mopar. You need me in that Mopar.
We use words like Hemi, wedge, blowers...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very horsepower I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a wrench and start wrenching on your pathetic Acura. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

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Now that's funny!

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thats more than funny, that... men ... is priceless.

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http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc136...THEMIvs4401.jpg


My V6 Acura would have been more than enough to put away that TRULY "stock" 440.

And the hemi needed super-tuning and slicks in order to truly beat the Acura.

That's back when those cars were brand new and not modified in any manner.

Isn't it funny how they just keep getting faster as time marches on?





We call that PROGRESS.

But again, this is off topic.

I want to know THE TRUTH about the hemi engine in question.

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You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has Mopars. And those Mopars have to be guarded by men with ballz. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Hondas and you curse the Hemi's. You have that luxury. You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at car shows, you want me in that Mopar. You need me in that Mopar.
We use words like Hemi, wedge, blowers...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very horsepower I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a wrench and start wrenching on your pathetic Acura. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

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Now that's funny!

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thats more than funny, that... men ... is priceless.

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By far the funniest thing ever said on this board, thanks Dave!!!!!!