Posted By: Barnstorm
Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 12:58 AM
Trying to fill in an ownership on the 64 Dodge Iron Butterfly now owned by Rick Johnson. We know Ted Spehar built/raced it with Wally Booth. It then went to Dick Oldfield then Rod Shop with numerous drivers including Larry Morgan. Rick bought it from DeFrank. We don't know the owner[s] between Rod Shop and DeFrank. Any help guys?
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 01:14 AM
Out of sheer curiosity, What are the first three digits of the VIN?
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 01:35 AM
Have to get to Rick's this weekend an look. It was Spehar's wifes car tha he built.
Posted By: Leigh
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 01:44 AM
You could try Dave Young, Bruce Crandall, Don (Sharadon Perf), Dyno Dan Zrust, anyone in the Line/Nelson family, Big Daddy, Gene Mosbeck, and Al Corda. Most have been around for over 30-35 (and some more) and might be able to help.
Posted By: 64hemi330sedan
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 03:26 AM
i know for a fact that red jackson and bill coleman also owned it for a short time.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 04:26 AM
The aluminum front end that is on it is not original. Rod Shop bought it off a guy in KY. The shop paid $500 for the nose. That was in 79'or80'
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 04:15 PM
Good info, Poppa J. Did the doors come with the deal?
Posted By: JERICOGTX
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 05:10 PM
Is Rick still in Litchfield? Both of his cars have a interesting past... The Cuda was John Hagens Red 68 built by jerry Hemmingson.
Jeff
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/06/10 11:28 PM
Did Jackson/Coleman get the car from the Rod Shop? Rick seem to think it spent some time in Louisiana B4 DeFrank.
Posted By: mr_340
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/07/10 08:10 PM
Oldfield told me they (Dick and possibly Ted) went through the Chrysler parts warehouse and picked out all the aluminum parts for the car. Dick told me the brakes were terrible when he drove it. Ted had installed wooden brake drums on the front. I wonder who ended up with those?
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/07/10 11:33 PM
A pic copied off Class Racer of the Butterfly, Hemi hood, steel nose.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/07/10 11:56 PM
Quote:
Good info, Poppa J. Did the doors come with the deal?
we bought the whole car for that and just stripped off all the light weight parts.No doors as I remember. The donor car was near Somerset, KY
Posted By: sixpakdodge
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 01:34 AM
The Hemi hardtops were the only ones to come with the steel nose. These cars were an early "paper car." Along the lines of the single 4 barrel '65 Hemi's running Stock right now.
Would be great to have Ted chime in on this.
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 01:59 AM
Extensive thread of the Butterfy on Class Racer under Original Hemi Dart Info about 3 weeks ago. Jason Oldfield has some good stuff.
Posted By: mgpanos
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 04:09 AM
Call Bruce Meihls at Fast Racing in Groveport OH for more history. As I recall, the Fink Bros raced this car as a SS/EA Max Wedge car with steel front end under Rod Shop paint. In about 82 or so, Bruce and Larry converted the car to a Hemi SS/BA car with aluminum front end and doors. I also remember Bruce talking about finding a very rare plexiglass rear window and it seems like an aluminum trunk lid (not too sure on that one). Mark
Posted By: mr_340
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 05:42 AM
Dick said the brake drums were fiberglass, not wood. He deferred to Ted on the rest of it, so hopefully he will pop in to fill us in on the rest.
Posted By: StewartP
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 05:19 PM
I suspect this is the Butterfly car
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StewartP
Posted By: mr_340
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/08/10 05:23 PM
Well, neither Dick or Ted are interested ini posting directly on here, so I called Ted to get the story. I had to call Stewart P. to get his number, and Stewart thought the brake drums were wood, so maybe I confused his story with what Dick told me. I took some notes and will try to get it exactly per Ted. He had to make it short to take his wife to the doctor's office. I'll try back later to get the rest of the story.
Per Ted:
The car was his wife's car, a 6 cylinder 330, 1964 Dodge. They built the car in two weeks. It had the aluminum front end, NOT steel. He wasn't sure where the parts came from, but thought it was the DC warehouse.
Dick broke his car, and he met Dick at a race on the east coast. He sold the car after the finals, the engine went one way and the car another. He said the car was sold to someone in Dayton, Ohio, then the Rod Shop got it later and Dave Boertman drove it.
Ted said the fiberglass drums were on the D-Dart he had, and not on the Hemi car. He mentioned that Rick Johnson thought it was an original '64 Hemi car when he bought it because it had many of the original parts on it.
Posted By: 64hemi330sedan
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/09/10 04:04 AM
mr340 when the car came to dayton ohio red jackson and bill coleman were the guys who got it.red told me they only owned it for a short time.they only bougth it to get some parts that that were on it they wanted and flipped it.he never told me who they sold it to though.i will ask him and see if he remembers.
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/09/10 04:31 AM
The season before Rod Shop Sold the car Bruce built a hemi out of the many parts in the shop. Christian prepped a trans and built a converter. it was all dropped in the 64'. The car was painted solid blue (No flag stripes) and we put a gold rod shop door decal along the bottom of the doors. As I remember that is the way it was sold (less door decals) the car's quickest pass that summer was 9.99. We had to remove the front bumper, door panels and a few other things to get the 9.99. Complete it would only go the best of 10.02 Bruce was hungry for a 9. He did the driving. Shortly after that it was sold by Gil and the Shop closed it's doors as well. Sad time for all of us at the time.
Posted By: bill_greenwood
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/09/10 10:57 PM
Tell us more about the fiberglass/wood brake drums. This is something I've never heard about. Obviously a weight thing, but were they on the front or the rear, and were they actually functional? When I think of functional wooden brake drums on a 10.0 car, I see flames. And dead people.
Posted By: mr_340
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/10/10 06:06 PM
Evidently there never were any wooden brake drums per Oldfield and Spehar. Another funny thing Dick told me about the original Missile was the use of magnesium torsion bars (non-functional). They just sat the front end on the rubber snubbers. I got the impression that even at the beginning, Pro Stock wasn't too stock. That was quite a thing to get to talk to Dick at Carlisle for a few hours. Thanks to Stewart P. and Hemi Fred for connecting me with the big boys. It was kind of funny when we walked up to the MP trailer at Carlisle and David Hakim just about jumped off the trailer when he saw Dick walk up.
It would be good to get all the war stories written down and published in a book from these guys.
Posted By: 64hemi330sedan
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/11/10 04:24 PM
i know i probely missed it.but does anyone know the where the butterfly is today?
Posted By: Barnstorm
Re: Iron Butterfly info? - 01/12/10 09:28 PM
Rick Johnson has owned and raced it since mid 80s. Probably the only aluminum Dodge running NHRA.