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quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.????

Posted By: BILLYJAY

quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 08:44 AM

I was watching highlights on Pinks the other night and saw a driver spin around and slam into the driver in the other lane..I wondered about what happens when your car gets wrecked on the track by the OTHER Driver ???? is there any liability on his part ???i hate to bring up a bad subject but it happens and wondered what action can or is taken ???

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Posted By: Leigh

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 11:07 AM

You're s.o.l.
Posted By: bonefish

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 11:46 AM

thats racin
Posted By: blownzoom440

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 01:02 PM

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I was watching highlights on Pinks the other night and saw a driver spin around and slam into the driver in the other lane..I wondered about what happens when your car gets wrecked on the track by the OTHER Driver ???? is there any liability on his part ???i hate to bring up a bad subject but it happens and wondered what action can or is taken ???



i guess you could have a law suit like the T/F driver Lori Johns did but maybe she just had the $$ to fallow through with it.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 01:06 PM

MOST insurance is void when on the track but valid
in the pits..... basically you S O L
Posted By: 68roadrunner

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 01:10 PM

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MOST insurance is void when on the track but valid
in the pits..... basically you S O L






does any body have insurance on an all out race car
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 01:11 PM

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MOST insurance is void when on the track but valid
in the pits..... basically you S O L






does any body have insurance on an all out race car




Yes there are a couple of companies(cant remember
the names)
Posted By: 68roadrunner

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 01:16 PM

did not know about these insurance companies. not that i could afford any more with all the stuff i have to insure already.
Posted By: BILLYJAY

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:21 PM

Well I knew you could get insurance for your car to protect you from home and being trailered around and even to the track but not on the track itself..i just didnt know if anyone had ever heard of some kind of action being taken towards the wrongful driver ??? Im having a hardtime thinking that my 40K is going to be lost cause of no fault of my own..I mean most of us spend years building our cars and dont have any big sponsors to foot the bill..

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Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:33 PM

"Key on" insurance used to be available, it may still be. The best defense is to go to tracks that have a decent tech, pay attention to who's driving and take care of the track. That's not always possible. Not going down the track beside of some POS death trap or an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing and wouldn't lift 'till it was on it's top is the best bet. Still, stuff happens.
Posted By: Crizila

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:45 PM

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I was watching highlights on Pinks the other night and saw a driver spin around and slam into the driver in the other lane..I wondered about what happens when your car gets wrecked on the track by the OTHER Driver ???? is there any liability on his part ???i hate to bring up a bad subject but it happens and wondered what action can or is taken ???


On "Pinks" you become an immediate star and can start your own reality show called "Wrecks"!
Posted By: Leon441

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:49 PM

I lost a run to a local who can't drive. He ran the organization he was racing in. Well his employee actually ran it but you get the picture. This track had wide centerline. Like 6' feet. Not only did he get into the centerline but he crossed into my lane. I was inches away from the fence and had already lifted trying to protect my car.

The guy running things acted like they saw nothing. They even pretended to go ask the track officials. There were two video tapes of the incident. It was dark and hard to see through the viewfinder. The guy running things said no-one saw anything and there was no TV available. As I was packing up the track owner who was in a wheelchair came over and asked how everything went for me that night. I told him what had happened and he said no-one had even asked and they had two different TV's on premise.

What do you do. Protect your car it's only one race. Then, don't go back and race with the lieing, theiving, #%$%^$^%^$^ that put "you have a freind in Jesus" on his back window. Wanted to go peel it off his car but figured he would someday read his decal, make freinds, and stop being what he is.

Leon
Posted By: Garceau

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:49 PM

there are a couple insurance companies that cover everything. Every now and then on DRR this gets brought up, and actually a few people there sell the insurance.

Its surprisingly cheap, well maybe not cheap but not near as expensive as you would think. There are of course several options.

But generally you are SOL without anything. Racing happens.
Posted By: B1KILLER

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 02:59 PM

I HAVE A FRIEND THAT SUED TRACK AND GOT SOME MONEY AFTER HE WRECK ALONE. DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS.
Posted By: 70dusterjohn

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:06 PM

I lose more races than I win because of other people.. I've lifted and been hard on the brakes cause some dumb-a@# went in my lane.. of course it was a back wood track and no-one saw it happen. But I don't care about winning the race at the cost of my car, its just not wroth it. My car has been in the family as long as I've been around, and I' m just not willing to wreack it or have someone wreack it for me for 50 bucks. So I drive more defensive than anything. If it looks like crap, smells like crap, its crap...
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:11 PM

Yes there are a couple of companies(cant remember
the names)

AO Underwriters. Go to AO underwriters.com. They cover you on and off track. It was going to cost $800 a year to cover a low 8 sec. $30000 racecar on and off the racetrack, in transit, sitting in a Hotel parking lot in trailer, or in the garage at home. I did'nt get it and of course motor blew and stuffed me into the wall at 160mph. Glad I was the faster car because I was in the left and stuffed it into the right wall. Nothing I could do. The 7-8 rods blew through the side of the block, ripped the starter out of the Ultrabell. The starter hit the steering shaft and broke it at the flex-joint. At that point I was just along for the ride. Allways remember when you sign the waivers when you get to the racetrack you are releasing liability to other drivers and the racetrack. And realize you are coming to the racetrack with a big$$$ toy and could go home with a wrecked pile of junk.

Posted By: Ron Silva

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:20 PM

When you go to the track and sign the waiver to be able to race you are releasing the TRACK from liability. Not other individuals. Maybe I am wrong. You can bet if another Guy wrecks you that you still might have a civil case to sue him for damages if you choose.

I had racing insurance on the Demon for a couple years and it covered you from the burnout box until you exited the track and that is it! For $25,000 coverage it was $850 per year.

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Posted By: slantzilla

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:24 PM

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i guess you could have a law suit like the T/F driver Lori Johns did but maybe she just had the $$ to fallow through with it.




She lost that suit. Judge told her that when you are on the track you're on your own.

She was trying to sue Jim Van Cleve Jr. for barrel rolling over her car in the lights after he lost a motor.
Posted By: Lil Wedge

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:48 PM

We have had 2 instances where our cars were hit, both times in the pits and both times by people towing big trailers, 1st time,our Cuda got hit about 8 years ago ,trailer caught the left front fender, damaged the bumper and l/f fender pretty bad,drug the car about 4 feet sideways,We had just Painted it about 3 months prior, so at least the paint was easy to match,and I still had leftover paint, guy felt bad, offered to pay, but We was so irate that we refused, convinced him to leave before it got ugly. 2nd time ,my sons girlfriend's Challenger got hit by a trailer while in its pit spot at a Chrysler Classic by same thing, a person towing a trailer, crunched left rear 1/4 panel, and the guy did pay what the estimate was but He didn't have to tow a race race car to several body shops for estimates or race a wrecked car for several months till we could fix it. Then at the Good Guys race at National Trail a month ago, once again parked in Pit spot, and a guy in a motor home with a 28' ft enclosed comes in from the wrong way, cuts through the pits and then makes a wide swing to pull into a spot about 3 spots down from us and the rear of the trailer missed our car by the thickness of a notebook paper, He couldn't hear our screaming,and was totally unaware. I went down and told what he did, and his reply was He was watching, and He had plenty of room. He couldn't understand why I was worked up when nothing got hurt? LOL I just shook my head and walked away. Big Trailers and Amateur drivers scare me more than racetracks!

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Posted By: Thor500

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 03:56 PM

Take it from me, you will be SOL, I bought a turnkey car last July and was havin the time of my life then last December at the Snowbird race some piece of #$#$ by the name of John Eyer jumps on his brakes at the finish line, my win light comes on then smash! into my quarter panel, I saw him an instant before he hit me , next thing I know Im on the roof at 140mph, I walked away but all he said was "sorry" then he got in his pusher motorhome with his stacker trailer and motored back to Cocoa, I contacted him to see if he would give me any help at all, he said "sorry" I say Karmas a B#tch. Sorry for venting but my car is still all tore up, probably about 20K to make it right. I will have on-track insurance next time or I'll stay home...

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Posted By: Leigh

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:06 PM

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We have had 2 instances where our cars were hit, both times in the pits and both times by people towing big trailers, 1st time,our Cuda got hit about 8 years ago ,trailer caught the left front fender, damaged the bumper and l/f fender pretty bad,drug the car about 4 feet sideways,We had just Painted it about 3 months prior, so at least the paint was easy to match,and I still had leftover paint, guy felt bad, offered to pay, but We was so irate that we refused, convinced him to leave before it got ugly. 2nd time ,my sons girlfriend's Challenger got hit by a trailer while in its pit spot at a Chrysler Classic by same thing, a person towing a trailer, crunched left rear 1/4 panel, and the guy did pay what the estimate was but He didn't have to tow a race race car to several body shops for estimates or race a wrecked car for several months till we could fix it. Then at the Good Guys race at National Trail a month ago, once again parked in Pit spot, and a guy in a motor home with a 28' ft enclosed comes in from the wrong way, cuts through the pits and then makes a wide swing to pull into a spot about 3 spots down from us and the rear of the trailer missed our car by the thickness of a notebook paper, He couldn't hear our screaming,and was totally unaware. I went down and told what he did, and his reply was He was watching, and He had plenty of room. He couldn't understand why I was worked up when nothing got hurt? LOL I just shook my head and walked away. Big Trailers and Amateur drivers scare me more than racetracks!




Why didn't you simply get their insurance info, write an estimate and get it fixed? That's what I did, after a racer backed into my Dart at Eddyville. It got treated like a normal claim, except, the agent had to look at my car to see it wasn't a heap. Crashing on the racing surface has nothing to do with getting hit by an insured vehicle.
Posted By: 408Dust

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:20 PM

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thats racin


Posted By: CompWedgeEngines

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:20 PM

I wasnt going to comment, but I think your last statement may be the most realistic of all:

"I will have on-track insurance next time or I'll stay home..."


If you are drag racing, and the first thought that crosses your mind when you either get to the track or are in the staging lanes or beams is " how am I gonna recoup all this money if a car wrecks into me", then you really shouldnt be at the track. If your pre-occupied with those thoughts, your in the wrong arena. I would find it way more dangerous to have racers concentrating on the value of their car while going down the track than on the race itself.

This is racing . Accidents happen. Dumb azzes race too unfortunately. Shuffelboard is an option for those who want to be safe 24/7. Its the nature of the beast folks. You have to deal with it.

Now that there are some of these insurance companies, perhaps that is an option, but that is just the start ( once again) of the total take over of a sport by insurance companies, Once they get into insuring "race cars on track", whats next? Then they tell you how fast you can go? What ET your "capable" and " qualified to drive"?

I dont like the on track insurance deal myself. Its a really really bad signal.

Racers race, cars wreck, bad things CAN happen in automobile racing. You have to accept that.

As far as the other driver that wrecks you, that is another story. If it is a racing accident, unavoidable by him/her, such as blown motor, broken brakes, blown tranny, oh well. He didnt really want to wreck either.

If its a case of driver stupidity or ignorance, then a little different case. The driver SHOULD at least try to help a little. But then again, if he is accused of "driver stupidity", do you think he is going to hang around ?


As for me, I think you accept the risks of racing the minute you strap in the car. It is what it is. If you are worried about the car, you either get the insurance,( if that makes you feel better), dont race, or play cards or shuffleboard.


My
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:29 PM

If you ever go to a track, read the waiver you are signing when you enter. Everyone on the racing surface is racing at there own risk. You don't sue the guy your racing because he wrecked into you. That's racing!! Look at stock car racing or any oval track racing.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:32 PM

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I wasnt going to comment, but I think your last statement may be the most realistic of all:

"I will have on-track insurance next time or I'll stay home..."


If you are drag racing, and the first thought that crosses your mind when you either get to the track or are in the staging lanes or beams is " how am I gonna recoup all this money if a car wrecks into me", then you really shouldnt be at the track. If your pre-occupied with those thoughts, your in the wrong arena. I would find it way more dangerous to have racers concentrating on the value of their car while going down the track than on the race itself.

This is racing . Accidents happen. Dumb azzes race too unfortunately. Shuffelboard is an option for those who want to be safe 24/7. Its the nature of the beast folks. You have to deal with it.

Now that there are some of these insurance companies, perhaps that is an option, but that is just the start ( once again) of the total take over of a sport by insurance companies, Once they get into insuring "race cars on track", whats next? Then they tell you how fast you can go? What ET your "capable" and " qualified to drive"?

I dont like the on track insurance deal myself. Its a really really bad signal.

Racers race, cars wreck, bad things CAN happen in automobile racing. You have to accept that.

As far as the other driver that wrecks you, that is another story. If it is a racing accident, unavoidable by him/her, such as blown motor, broken brakes, blown tranny, oh well. He didnt really want to wreck either.

If its a case of driver stupidity or ignorance, then a little different case. The driver SHOULD at least try to help a little. But then again, if he is accused of "driver stupidity", do you think he is going to hang around ?


As for me, I think you accept the risks of racing the minute you strap in the car. It is what it is. If you are worried about the car, you either get the insurance,( if that makes you feel better), dont race, or play cards or shuffleboard.


My




Right on!!
Posted By: thecarfarmer

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 04:48 PM

My opinion: If your signature accepting the risk of racing on that waiver doesn't mean that you want to accept the risk of racing... get insurance or don't sign the damn form.

Just the opinion of a guy who has raced once in the last fifteen years, and NEVER owned anything, trick, cool, or particularly fast, because he won't spend more than he can afford on toys.

I always figured if I couldn't afford to throw it away, wreck it, or break it, I couldn't afford to race it.

Your wallets may vary

Luckily, I'm getting divorced from the main drain on the wallet, and am putting something together that I'll be able to run at the track for some (lowly) bracket action and T&Ts.

-Bill
Posted By: BILLYJAY

Re: question about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 05:06 PM

Well maybe i should have asked the question this way then:::: if you wreck into a car on the track, are you going to help him out or walk away??? i know what the risk are, i am asking a question because these things do happen... signing a release is from sueing the track..personaly if i hit another car for whatever reason , i feel the obligation to help my it right...the type of wreck im talking about is being slammed into by the guy next to you..im not worried about if i wreck my car..I just didnt know if there was anything out there that was a rule of thumb...

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Posted By: Thor500

Re: question about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 06:15 PM

Any sort of decent person would do what they can within their means, but take it from me, it sure torks you off when your left high and dry.The guy that took my car out while driving like a cowboy has the means but won't do squat. Karma
Posted By: 11secdart

Re: question about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 08:08 PM

Interesting subject, I applied for insurance a couple years ago it covered everywhere except on the track after submitting all the info and pictures I was told they can`t write policies for NJ. Two weeks ago in the staging lanes a fellow racer/friend ran into another racers 62 Novas 1/4 panel in front of the rear wheel damaging it badly whats worse the 1/4s were only on the car less than a year. The talked it out, cooled down and my friend went home and came back an hour later with a check for 2 grand and gave it to him. He was shocked he made good so quick, I`m not, he`s a real good guy. A few years ago at an " Old Days Drags" event my friend was racing his 66 Biscayne wagon against a roadster the guy in the roadster lost it off the line and ran into my friends 1/4 panel, after the race the roadster driver says" I think I hurt my car now I can`t race" your car? what about my friends? We had another friend nearby he`s big and intimdating, he was ready to step in. But my friend said no and stayed cool meanwhile the guy that hit him mumbled something and took off out the gate. Many years ago a guy backed into my hood in the lanes and said "I`m not paying you anything" Oh yeah? I gathered some friends we approached him and said "either pay up or never come back here" he did and gave me $300. I`ve always thought there was an unwritten understanding that if you hit somebody , you pay for the damages.

Posted By: dOoC

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 08:35 PM

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If you ever go to a track, read the waiver you are signing when you enter. Everyone on the racing surface is racing at there own risk.






Does this waiver allow the track owner or operator to be sloppy and not have a "clean" track?

I think I remember reading somewhere in the SE where a track did not clean-up a motor explosion properly .. the next person down-the-track crashed ..and the track was held liable for "malpractice".
Posted By: qwkmopardan

Re: question about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 08:45 PM

If someone in the pits damages your racecar or other equipment then they are responsible and should pay. If it happens on the race track, your fault, or theirs, everybody is on their own. If you have insurance on yours, insurance co. will pay to fix it, if you don't it's out of your own pocket. If you think the guy in the other lane is going to pay to fix your car, even if he hit you in your lane, your mistaken. Better play poker or something else. The chance you take to play the racing game. If my motor blew up and sent me into the other lane and I took out the other car I sure would feel bad, but sorry he is own his own. If I would be responsible I will sell all my junk and quit racing. If someone can show me that I would be responsible I will sell my junk today and never race again.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 08:56 PM

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If you ever go to a track, read the waiver you are signing when you enter. Everyone on the racing surface is racing at there own risk.






Does this waiver allow the track owner or operator to be sloppy and not have a "clean" track?

I think I remember reading somewhere in the SE where a track did not clean-up a motor explosion properly .. the next person down-the-track crashed ..and the track was held liable for "malpractice".




No they are still not responsable. I totaled a 100K TAD at National trails because water was coming up thru the cracks of the racing surface at the big end all weekend long along with dips in the track. This was at the nats on a Sun morning during first round at 9:15 am. Cost me close to 60K to rebuilt the car. The same day 4 other drivers crashed in the same lane including Jason Line in Gregs pro stock car. They closed the track early that year to repave the place. They cancelled our last div race of the year which is also held at National trails. I did not sue anybody,it was the track fault that water was coming thru. I just got busy and rebuilt the car and got back out there. I had alot of help rebuilding the car but it was very costly.



Posted By: slantzilla

Re: quetion about wrecks on the raceTrack.???? - 08/16/09 09:20 PM

The waiver you sign at the gate is not worth the paper it is written on. All it does is guarantees that there will be a lawsuit if something happens. It is meant to scare off the "nuisance" lawsuits.

It is very hard to win a lawsuit over an "on track" incident, no matter what the conditions were.
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