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water wetter

Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

water wetter - 04/29/09 11:07 AM

does this stuff work and make you engine run cooler??
Posted By: justinp61

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 11:13 AM

It made no difference in mine, some swear by it though.
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 11:27 AM

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It made no difference in mine, some swear by it though.




same here but it may be running hotter......200/210 yesterday...85/90 degrees out
Posted By: Plumb Wired

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 11:51 AM

Can't swear to the temp reduction, I use it as a rust inhibitor since antifreeze is a no no.

Mike Gray
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 11:53 AM

Purple Ice actually does work..

I tried both and the Purple Ice did what it was supposed to do..


Chris..
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 12:29 PM

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Purple Ice actually does work..

I tried both and the Purple Ice did what it was supposed to do..


Chris.. [/quote
this was that red line stuff....i dumped 2 in there since it said up to 20 quarts.....i guess i will have to get some purple ice and see what happens....thanks
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 12:39 PM

Purple Ice is by Royal Purple..

You can get it at NAPA..


Chris..
Posted By: RonP

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 12:52 PM

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Can't swear to the temp reduction, I use it as a rust inhibitor since antifreeze is a no no.

Mike Gray




Thats what I was thinking, but at ZMAX the specifically stated not antifreeze, water wetter, or any other additives where to be in the cooling system. water only.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 12:53 PM

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does this stuff work and make you engine run cooler??




Yes it works... there was a post on this just a few
days back and someone put a link to some testing on
a few different versions of it, Water Wetter and Purple
Ice were about identical on their performance. I use
the Water Wetter and see a temp reduction but use it
more for the rust and lube aspect
Posted By: BobR

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 01:34 PM

"First we must dispel a common misconception: "Water Wetter" is not designed to lower your car's bulk coolant temperature. So if you put it in your radiator hoping to see lower operational coolant temp's, then you will probably be disappointed.

"Water Wetter" is designed to reduce hot spots in your cylinder head. It does this by reducing the build-up of water vapor in any superheated areas. The bad thing about having hot spots in your cylinder head (read combustion chamber) is that they can promote pre-ignition - definitely a bad thing. This harks back to Smokey Yunick's theory of "soft combustion chambers". Any sharp edges in your combustion chamber (around valve seats for example) may tend to get very hot (even red hot) during operation. These areas of the combustion chamber can then form local hot spots in the cooling passages. Thus, even though your bulk coolant temperature is well below its boiling point (i.e. your gauge reads just fine), there may be localized boiling in some regions of the coolant tract.

This localized boiling can cause a layer of water vapor to form over the hot spot. This vapor forms an insulative blanket and prevents heat from leaving this area, thus making the hot spot even worse. But reducing the surface tension of the water makes it easier for vapor bubbles to leave the surface of the cylinder head and allows the bubbles to convect heat away from the area. Something that changes the surface tension of a liquid is called a "surfactant". It does not take very much surfactant to significantly change the surface tension of water. Hence, you do not need to add very much "Water Wetter" in order for it to do its job.

An additional benefit of using "Water Wetter" (in conjunction with 100% water) in you cooling system is that water has an extremely high heat capacity. Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant. Water also has a high thermal conductivity which increases the convection of heat away from the coolant passage walls and into the free stream of the liquid flowing through the passages"
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 04:15 PM

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"First we must dispel a common misconception: "Water Wetter" is not designed to lower your car's bulk coolant temperature. So if you put it in your radiator hoping to see lower operational coolant temp's, then you will probably be disappointed.

"Water Wetter" is designed to reduce hot spots in your cylinder head. It does this by reducing the build-up of water vapor in any superheated areas. The bad thing about having hot spots in your cylinder head (read combustion chamber) is that they can promote pre-ignition - definitely a bad thing. This harks back to Smokey Yunick's theory of "soft combustion chambers". Any sharp edges in your combustion chamber (around valve seats for example) may tend to get very hot (even red hot) during operation. These areas of the combustion chamber can then form local hot spots in the cooling passages. Thus, even though your bulk coolant temperature is well below its boiling point (i.e. your gauge reads just fine), there may be localized boiling in some regions of the coolant tract.

This localized boiling can cause a layer of water vapor to form over the hot spot. This vapor forms an insulative blanket and prevents heat from leaving this area, thus making the hot spot even worse. But reducing the surface tension of the water makes it easier for vapor bubbles to leave the surface of the cylinder head and allows the bubbles to convect heat away from the area. Something that changes the surface tension of a liquid is called a "surfactant". It does not take very much surfactant to significantly change the surface tension of water. Hence, you do not need to add very much "Water Wetter" in order for it to do its job.

An additional benefit of using "Water Wetter" (in conjunction with 100% water) in you cooling system is that water has an extremely high heat capacity. Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant. Water also has a high thermal conductivity which increases the convection of heat away from the coolant passage walls and into the free stream of the liquid flowing through the passages"




wow i guess you explained that very well....thank you for all that information.....sounds like this is the way to go during the hot summer months and is needed at the track...
Posted By: challenger70

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 04:37 PM

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"First we must dispel a common misconception: "Water Wetter" is not designed to lower your car's bulk coolant temperature. So if you put it in your radiator hoping to see lower operational coolant temp's, then you will probably be disappointed.

"Water Wetter" is designed to reduce hot spots in your cylinder head. It does this by reducing the build-up of water vapor in any superheated areas. The bad thing about having hot spots in your cylinder head (read combustion chamber) is that they can promote pre-ignition - definitely a bad thing. This harks back to Smokey Yunick's theory of "soft combustion chambers". Any sharp edges in your combustion chamber (around valve seats for example) may tend to get very hot (even red hot) during operation. These areas of the combustion chamber can then form local hot spots in the cooling passages. Thus, even though your bulk coolant temperature is well below its boiling point (i.e. your gauge reads just fine), there may be localized boiling in some regions of the coolant tract.

This localized boiling can cause a layer of water vapor to form over the hot spot. This vapor forms an insulative blanket and prevents heat from leaving this area, thus making the hot spot even worse. But reducing the surface tension of the water makes it easier for vapor bubbles to leave the surface of the cylinder head and allows the bubbles to convect heat away from the area. Something that changes the surface tension of a liquid is called a "surfactant". It does not take very much surfactant to significantly change the surface tension of water. Hence, you do not need to add very much "Water Wetter" in order for it to do its job.

An additional benefit of using "Water Wetter" (in conjunction with 100% water) in you cooling system is that water has an extremely high heat capacity. Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant. Water also has a high thermal conductivity which increases the convection of heat away from the coolant passage walls and into the free stream of the liquid flowing through the passages"




wow i guess you explained that very well....thank you for all that information.....sounds like this is the way to go during the hot summer months and is needed at the track...




thanks for writing that out, although I think they do claim a drop in coolant temperature on the bottle/advertising but what you wrote makes sense
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 04:48 PM

Can you use Purple Ice in an aluminum radiator?
Posted By: MegaDart

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 07:02 PM

I like it and use it in both cars. I feel it works best if not added to water, put it in dry motor then add h20.
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 07:03 PM

Quote:

"First we must dispel a common misconception: "Water Wetter" is not designed to lower your car's bulk coolant temperature. So if you put it in your radiator hoping to see lower operational coolant temp's, then you will probably be disappointed.

"Water Wetter" is designed to reduce hot spots in your cylinder head. It does this by reducing the build-up of water vapor in any superheated areas. The bad thing about having hot spots in your cylinder head (read combustion chamber) is that they can promote pre-ignition - definitely a bad thing. This harks back to Smokey Yunick's theory of "soft combustion chambers". Any sharp edges in your combustion chamber (around valve seats for example) may tend to get very hot (even red hot) during operation. These areas of the combustion chamber can then form local hot spots in the cooling passages. Thus, even though your bulk coolant temperature is well below its boiling point (i.e. your gauge reads just fine), there may be localized boiling in some regions of the coolant tract.

This localized boiling can cause a layer of water vapor to form over the hot spot. This vapor forms an insulative blanket and prevents heat from leaving this area, thus making the hot spot even worse. But reducing the surface tension of the water makes it easier for vapor bubbles to leave the surface of the cylinder head and allows the bubbles to convect heat away from the area. Something that changes the surface tension of a liquid is called a "surfactant". It does not take very much surfactant to significantly change the surface tension of water. Hence, you do not need to add very much "Water Wetter" in order for it to do its job.

An additional benefit of using "Water Wetter" (in conjunction with 100% water) in you cooling system is that water has an extremely high heat capacity. Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant. Water also has a high thermal conductivity which increases the convection of heat away from the coolant passage walls and into the free stream of the liquid flowing through the passages"




would there be any problems with aluminum block and heads??...thanks
Posted By: 62SAVOY

Re: water wetter - 04/29/09 08:33 PM

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Yes it works... I use
the Water Wetter and see a temp reduction





I use it in my big heavy Dodge truck and seen a 20 degree drop in temp with it. Maybe varies on setups like some things do?
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Posted By: BobR

Re: water wetter - 04/30/09 02:12 PM

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I use it with distilled water...




I've heard from reputable sources that softened water is better than distilled. We use tap water but we don't even have a radiator.
Posted By: BADDART

Re: water wetter - 04/30/09 07:18 PM

I've heard the same thing about NOT using distilled water.I now use whats called (purified drinking water).Buy it at Kroger in gal jugs.It is not just regular bottled water.No chlorine or hard minerals. Chris
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 04/30/09 09:53 PM

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I use it with distilled water...




I've heard from reputable sources that softened water is better than distilled. We use tap water but we don't even have a radiator.




bob thanks too for the tip.....i just put in 4 gallons of distilled water with the water wetter....oh well
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: water wetter - 05/01/09 09:29 AM

Here's an actual test. Done with a laser temp gun in various points of the cooling system and taking into account of outside temps.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html
Posted By: GEORGE68HEMIRR

Re: water wetter - 05/01/09 12:54 PM

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Here's an actual test. Done with a laser temp gun in various points of the cooling system and taking into account of outside temps.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html




looks like water wetter was what it says it is....but 70/30 mix....anti-freeze-water-water wetter...the track wouldnt like that right??
Posted By: autoxcuda

Re: water wetter - 05/02/09 03:30 PM

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Here's an actual test. Done with a laser temp gun in various points of the cooling system and taking into account of outside temps.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0703_turp_cooling_system_additives/test_results.html




looks like water wetter was what it says it is....but 70/30 mix....anti-freeze-water-water wetter...the track wouldnt like that right??




The Justice Brother Super Radiator Cool was the best with water and additive mix.
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