Beware of the knock offs

Putting the original names on them now

That's unimaginable

It was good to see that Summit replied in the video's comments earlier today saying they were going to look into this and not sell any more of them until they take it up with Speedmaster. Time will tell but at least it seems they are trying to do the right thing.

I believe it, crap like that happens every day. What a shame.

F speedmaster. That is criminal.

I have other issues with them from a purchase a few years ago. They can go fall off a cliff

Avoid Amazon. And anyplace similar. Stick with the main stream sources or the manufactures directly.

It's an issue everywhere, regardless what you are buying.

Bad enough we have to deal with the Proforms and others who have been ripping off Edelbrock, MSD, Holley, and others for so long, we are used to seeing it.

Little to no recourse for small companies. I am not surprised this has begun to happen with smaller companies. Anyone who has been to SEMA in the last two decades has watched and seen the blatant way the Chinese companies are outright steeling other peoples hard work.

If the feds weren’t busy dickin’ with people here in the US they could be doing more to stop the counterfeiting.

And he is right about customer support. I had the same thing happen to me on some wiring and hard parts for my grandson’s Chinese made ATV.

No questions asked to return the stuff, shipped out without any grief. I finally figured out what they screwed up.

In my day job life, I try to stick to the USA or Japanese brands, I can't look for Canadian flags, because we don't make anything here anymore outside of base meals, uranium and oil. I look for the box with the stars and stripes or the rising sun on it and turn the part over to find it was made in China anyway. I wrote a lot more on this, but I've been slapped for being too political before.

Wait a paycheck or two, and buy the better parts for you car.

This counterfeit stuff has been everywhere for a long time. Oakley sunglasses, for example, I only buy off their website, or at the Oakley store in the mall the rare times that I go there. Buying them from other sources means there is good chance you may not get the real ones. Anything that looks like a deal is likely fakery.

Aren’t Edelbrock heads basically a stock head copy with a few improvements. Patents protect a product for X amount of years then companies are allowed the copy them and make improvements. TV’s for example if they weren’t allowed they be copied and improved we would still be watching RCA black and white TV with rabbit ears. Or driving early model Fords. Be careful what you wish for.

Performance engines parts market did just fine before the Chinese Government rounded up all their peasants and put them to work in factories making parts for our fine business people seeking an extra buck.

How do you make the best widgets when said widgets are not even something that is part of your culture to begin with? They just copy and reverse engineer parts based on what is asked of them. It's not like the Chinese guy even knows what a Mopar is.

I'm for well made products with longevity engineered into them so that they don't end up in the landfill in record time.

All well and good. I think the issue people get upset about is blatant copying of an item (MSD ignitions, Holley carbs and fuel pumps, by Proform and others for one) while making them inferior in quality to achieve the stupid low price point. They are attempting to fool people into thinking they are getting a smoking deal on the real McCoy.

Obviously, outright counterfeiting with name brands and packaging being copied are not good.

The real danger is people tearing up good parts, wrecking cars and getting hurt because of this trash. So it's not just being butthurt over someone making a better mouse trap.

I believe PRI and SEMA have addressed this, but likely only for companies that have ponied up to be members.

I recall a number of years ago at PRI. There were two Chinese ladies had a table in a booth towards the back of the hall. Had a number of parts, CNC machined bits, etc, laid out that looked like name brand stuff. Rocker arms, fittings, odds and ends. Pretty blatantly advertising reverse engineering of stuff to be labeled as your own. They were largely ignored as far as I could see. I guess someone stopped to chat.

Buy a bare Edelbrock head and buy a bare Speedmaster head and you tell me which one is nicer. I have pictures but this site and their picture program SUCKS

Chinese imported tools and parts have gotten better over the past decade because folks in the US are their guinea pigs buying up bottom dollar junk until they were able to catch up in quality. Now it's similar quality for the same price and in some cases better quality because domestic production has had to go full throttle on value engineering.

This example should be a surprise to noone and won't stop most from buying those copies. They'll brag about saving a few bucks while the original company struggles to compete.

Is someone suggesting these are better than the original?

I wonder how many of our members are running Stealth heads. Lol 😂

Not this one, nor do I use Chinese parts in any of my stuff. I don't see how anyone can condone the practice of reverse engineering and profiting from pirated tech..This has NOTHING to do with advancing the technology it is just blatant piracy and theft of intellectual property.

I would sure like to take a walk through your shop or house. Although having a wife with a great job helps too. What make tv, washer and dryer do you have.

Instead of competition between several companies for the best parts now they have to worry about the imitators stealing their sales. Instead of making the best parts, and letting the price fall where it may, now they are under pressure to cut corners to keep their prices competitive with the guys who are selling fake parts.

The "cheap parts are great" racers have their priorities not quite right. Chinese motor parts because that is all they can afford, so they say, and yet they have a newer diesel pickup, enclosed trailer, golf cart or atv pit vehicle, etc. Somewhere in the middle of buying all that other stuff to go racing they couldn't find a few extra $$$ to buy non-China made parts? Ok.

Lots of hollier than thou guys on this website but I know what lurks in their Harbor Freight tool boxes. Lmao 🤣

Never stepped foot in a Harbor Freight to be honest. I'm not a Snap-On snob either. Majority of my tools are older Craftsman all crammed into a Craftsman tool box that is too small. I'm too cheap to buy a bigger tool box despite needing one so there.

I just find it amusing where guys think they are geniuses for buying knock off parts as if they have outsmarted everyone who paid more for the real deal parts. It's even more ridiculous when they could have easily afforded the better parts to begin with.

even the "Proudly Made in the USA" brands often have internal parts made in places like tiwan, india, pakistan, or china, and these items are usually made of chinesium.

We worked with a lot different of hazardous materials in the steel mill and often put double paper (plastic suits) on to protect us. When the blade g buy American crunch came on we got a new vendor for these suits. Boxes were are proudly makes made in the USA. Well the boxes were, the suits weren’t. Where do you think your clothes came from.

Lots of young guys who don't care where their tools, parts, etc, come from. Snapon, Mac and Cornhole in the shop every week. And they have HF or Lowes tool boxes full of off shore stuff. It's all about the money and "it's good enough".

I spent a lot of years making payments to the Snap on man every week. Still use all of it everyday. The scarcity of off shore crap in my building is a reflection of the pride I take in everything I do.


I started a thread about Amazon AN stuff a few weeks ago, out of curiosity. I broke down and let the guy bring me the stuff. Total garbage. Laughable. Normal wrenches didn't fit them. Hose was trash. Fell apart when I tried to force it into the out of whack fittings. $50 for what would have been at least 500 from Fragola or Aeroquip. Never again. I'm too old and grumpy to deal with garbage and half a$$ stuff..

Were we discussing home furnishings or racecar parts? FWIW we support as many American companies as possible. I know you do as well as anyone else the overwhelming majority of electronics are made overseas, find me an American company making them and they will get my support. We try to buy home furnishing made in the USA as much as possible. Sub Zero and Wolf in the Kitchen. Assembled here but I'm sure many parts sourced from overseas. The question is are those part stolen technology and from American companies? I am fairly surer we all know that answer to be no. Would I buy a Chinese knock off TV or a Japanese one, easy call why support communist China who has a knack of stealing and reverse engineering technology from countries and companies who actually developed it. Ill buy the Japanese one, since they developed the tech. House full of Sony's here from 100" to 54". I have found in life if you buy cheap stuff you get just that cheap stuff. Furniture is all made in the US custom stuff. We don't go to the box stores to buy furniture. We prefer to pay more for custom built pieces to get what we want and know that it will stand the test of time.

As for racecar stuff it helps to know who you are dealing with. Forming relationships with companies and contacts rather than chasing the cheapest way to get it done. Feel free to come and point out the off shore stuff in my shop. Parts or tools...Hell I even over paid for my American made vise from Wilton....

Not China. USA, Hondoras and other South American countries, Vietnam, Mexico, Indonesia, Pakistan, et.al.

Does it matter whether it’s clothes or car parts. If you are going to preach it, live it. Dont bend the rules to fit your lifestyle. Like I said earlier you have a wife making big money so Dont preach to us guys on fixed incomes. We are just lucky to be out there racing. Thank God 440source entered the game years ago for us less fortunate racers. I jumped into the mid 8’s@155mph thanks to them. At that Tim I couldn’t afford a keith black block and Calias cranks. Preach on Al.

I am on a fixed income as well. Both my wife and I are from our Military service, what we did from 1985 to 2018, if you think that makes us rich somehow you are mistaken. We didn't own a home until 2011 for that reason. Who's preaching we have been this way most of our adult lives, its a decision we committed to. Maybe its our patriotic way of thinking but if you believe that is preaching so be it, for us it is a CHOICE, we all make them. We have tired to spend money wisely and support American made products or labor whenever and wherever we can. It's a Conscience choice to do so. Sometimes we do without, other times we simply wait til we can afford what we want, rather than the instant gratification of having something.

I see buying STOLEN intellectual property and supporting communist countries who actively support it as a very poor choice. But hey its your choice, if I have an OPTION I choose to spend my money elsewhere. Stating how well it works does nothing to support your core argument. I seem to recall you like to play the market as well. So don't preach fixed income when clearly the fixed portion of your income is just one source of income. Just like we us

Do you even race YOUR cars anymore. I always see you with your buddy and his Chevy.

Even more frustrating is when American companies, founded by racers, innovators, inventors, and people whose passion was making better stuff, are bought up by equity firms and conglomerates and 1) get rid of smart people and engineers, and put R&D on the back burner 2) cut the number of parts and pieces produced because they were slow movers, eliminating parts important to niche markets, and 3) farm out production to overseas factories and entities, cutting QC and overall quality, and selling it for the same price.

Yeah I have three want pictures. I'm starting to feel a haters gonna hate vibe. Why get personal?

I will be racing one of my cars next week here. I apologize that I don't live where we can race weekly. Then again, I CHOSE to focus my racing efforts on NHRA stuff, because that is what we have here. I would have run the fling had I been in town for the whole week but I was gone Wed until Friday. It will be the fourth time out this year with the truck, but only the second actual at a race, first race I went red to the eventual winner. Its new so the rest has been testing. Do I need to come here and make a report every time I go out'? Or on FB? I generally don't feel the need to post every time I go out with a car. Its frankly not that exciting or important.

And yep IIll be with my buddy forst weekend of May racing in St Louis at the NMCA race. If that bothers you sorry not sorry.

And way to much of that very thing has happened in the last decade. Even Jegs met that fate. Can't blame the owners when cashing out I suppose but it hurts the industry when they go that way.

No hate Al. I enjoy following your racing adventures but when guys start harping on others because we have to choose cheaper options to still be out there playing this game. It costs a lot of money to race weekly in todays world. I could have chosen to sit out like many have and just quit. But that’s not me. My K1 cranks, Molnar rods and cranks come from overseas and many many of us are running them in our engines.

And I CHOOSE to take the time to spend the money on American made products for the cars because I have OPTIONS...Takes longer to get them together but so be it..Why it took me two years and change to get the engine for the truck done....

Seen that, was pissed. Just bought their heads last week, luckily the money did not go to them directly. The whole reason I buy rom Summit is to not want to buy stolen, cheap knock of stuff. Hope he sues seed master 79 and makes them regret copy right infringement.

Update - Bro has started a revolution

If this went down exactly like he’s saying I hope he gets a big paycheck. But watching his videos is like eating paste glue. Shorten the video up please so you can actually make it to the end. Dont review the whole first video in the new video. Keep it watchable

Bro hasnt started anything except hes gotten a few gear heads to comment.

Hello... look at our current jet fighters and things that really matter in our lives vs what they have stolen here. Nothing ever even comes from the things that really matter and folks think this is gonna get traction? What company or entity has not been hacked by them? And still nothing happens.

But the crux of the issue is this. Were on the tail end of the gravy train and now its time to pay the piper. From Mfg. to consumer its all been about making more and paying less.... end of story. Now they seem to have the upper hand and that is just how it is.

Wow 113 comments on the vid and guy thinks hes on a roll. Yep I hate it for him and anyone who has this happen but again... where is the outrage in the bigger picture on a grander scale?

Summit still shows over 1400 speed master products currently. Speed master shows that VB on there site but without the guys name on it.

SOS.

And folks are upset over a valve body? We cant even protect our own state secrets.

Digital technology has made it possible to recreate old parts and make quick prototypes, but it also allows plagiarizers to copy designs and measurements from as little as a picture. Summit knows if they don't sell it, the people in that price range will just go to ebay or amazon to get it, so they're almost forced to carry it to appeal to all shoppers. The only punishment the public has, is not to buy it.

We have a couple of large speedshops in Australia, one if more on the wholesale side of things, the other predominantly retail. Both carry their own brand of products, all parts are made in China. Most are copies of other companies parts. One brand went as far as copying the part number as well on some parts. Prices aren't much cheaper. It's corperate greed and nothing more, capitolism/consumerism at it's finest. I won't buy from either company.

In regards to the defense side of things, I work in additive manufacturing research, we work with Defense based contractors and government agencies etc. The theft of defense systems by the Chinese is of great concern at the moment. We see it also in many areas of research as well, it's gone as far as academic and research staff working for a local university, but also working for the Chinese government and then sending secrets back.

/sarcasm

Why should Speedmaster, Summit or any entity in the United States make 50 cents if it comes out of your pocket?
Buy direct from Ximeng, cut out the middleman!

Speedmaster is too expensive!
When you buy Speedmaster, you're only paying for a name!

/sarcasm

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/_1600966307594.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.551269eb1yjRLe

/ sarcasm

But the shipping is a killer.....
Who wants to set up a group buy?

Shipping
From
$231.92
Shipping Time 15-25 days
To United States of America by Ocean+Express US (Premium)

There really does need to be a sarcasm font

There are many companies flipping the alibaba junk. Look up Al rads. Fuel Cells and others. The China Ebay sellers beat speed masters cost by a lot. Classic Industries sells the china AL radiators that are $150 on ebay and poof $600 from CI.

Self created but encouraged and its all about money.

Here you go.

Wow..

As a (too) frequent Summit shopper, I'm impressed.

great job summit,if more would do the same to knockoffs.