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Caltracs A or B body front segment

Posted By: StageIII

Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 12:54 AM

I got a 1967 coronet with 002 & 003 springs on it. Thinking about switching over to Caltracs. Should I run A body Caltracs springs which have a 20” front segment or the B body 22” front segment? Talked to Calvert today and they said it really didn’t matter???
Posted By: John Burdine

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 01:07 AM

I would opt for the longer 22" springs.
Posted By: topside

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 01:53 AM

002/003 have the 20" ft segment, so on that car the front hangers are longer to work with them.
Shorter ft segment is less susceptible to "wrap" than a longer segment IF all else is equal.
On a Cal-Trac setup, I don't know if segment length matters, as the way I understand it, the bar is doing more of the work.
Everyone with Cal-Tracs seems to like them better than the SS springs.
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by 493_john
I would opt for the longer 22" springs.

Agree. Some of the really fast caltrac mopars have been modified to use Chevy length springs. I suppose the instant center moves forward along with the spring eye.
Posted By: GY3

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 12:25 PM

We run the 20" front segment in our '63 B-body.

They work fine.

Unless it's an all out effort and you're going for every last 1/10 of a second, I'd leave the longer hangers in there and just do the 20" segment leaf.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 12:38 PM

I think the front CalTrac segment provides very little flex, that's left to the rear segment. The front segment acts like the top bar in a 4-link or ladder bar ... very rigid.

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I'd leave the longer hangers in there


CalTracs come with new hangers. Unless you were specific, the shorter front segments would come with standard front hangers and as a result the rear end would have to move forward to line up with the locator pin. Life would be simpler if you ordered the kit specific for the car.
Posted By: Tig

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 12:45 PM

If I was starting from scratch I'd go to 22" front segment but we have our's working OK with a 20"
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Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 05:32 PM

On a B car I used a SS spring hanger to move the axle back in the wheel well and retained the 22" from segment by relocating the rear leaf spring attachment point (in this case roller sliders).
Posted By: moparx

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Originally Posted by 493_john
I would opt for the longer 22" springs.

Agree. Some of the really fast caltrac mopars have been modified to use Chevy length springs. I suppose the instant center moves forward along with the spring eye.



aren't chevy length springs 50/50 length segments ? shruggy
beer
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 06:23 PM

On a CalTrac setup, the longer the front segment of leaf spring, the better. IMO.
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Originally Posted by 493_john
I would opt for the longer 22" springs.

Agree. Some of the really fast caltrac mopars have been modified to use Chevy length springs. I suppose the instant center moves forward along with the spring eye.



aren't chevy length springs 50/50 length segments ? shruggy
beer


Yes. So are Fords. Just like CalTracs were originally designed for.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 07:48 PM

My car is an A body with the 20" segment. I have wondered about making the change to the 22". Low 1.4 60s but it crushes the tire even with my shocks 1 click away from full stiff. It unloads the tire a little bit at 8' out. I am relocating my lower shock mounts to stand the shock up a little more in hopes of gaining some more control without buying new shocks or springs.
Posted By: crackedback

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
On a CalTrac setup, the longer the front segment of leaf spring, the better. IMO.


^^^^ THIS!!!
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 09:05 PM

Do you want to move the rearend rearward by two inches by using the longer B body style leaf springs?
If not don't use them tsk work
The tech at Cal Tracks should know better to tell you that two inches longer it doesn't matter, shame on him down(maybe he should ask his girlfriend about two inches longer mattering or not whistling devil: grin:)
Posted By: LA360

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 10:14 PM

The GM guys run the 24" orthe S-10 25" front segment. If it will fit, run the longer 22" front segment
Posted By: fast68plymouth

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 10:28 PM

I never noticed the wind turbine sticking out of the hood before.

Hybrid with supplemental wind power??

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Posted By: Tig

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
I never noticed the wind turbine sticking out of the hood before.

Hybrid with supplemental wind power??


grin Anything for an extra 10th grin
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/28/22 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Do you want to move the rearend rearward by two inches by using the longer B body style leaf springs?
If not don't use them tsk work
The tech at Cal Tracks should know better to tell you that two inches longer it doesn't matter, shame on him down(maybe he should ask his girlfriend about two inches longer mattering or not whistling devil: grin:)

Uh, he has a b body so all he has to do to use b body springs is put the stock hangers back on. No change in rear end location.
Posted By: SLO-KID

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/29/22 01:09 AM

Iirc Toothjerker still runs a 20” front
Posted By: dizuster

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/29/22 01:55 AM

Getting the shock right will have way more impact than the 20" or 22" length.

They make a 21" too, that's what's on my 62 Savoy.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/29/22 05:14 AM

1963 Mopar B bodies had the 20 inch front segment, that changed in 1964 to the longer front sections shruggy
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/29/22 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
1963 Mopar B bodies had the 20 inch front segment, that changed in 1964 to the longer front sections shruggy

The original post you responded to specified 67 Coronet.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/29/22 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
1963 Mopar B bodies had the 20 inch front segment, that changed in 1964 to the longer front sections shruggy

The original post you responded to specified 67 Coronet.

Mopar develop the 002 and 003 Super Stock springs originally and intended use were made for the 1968 Hemi A body cars, hence the 20 inch front segment.
I'm under the impression that all of the S.S. springs Mopar has sold for drag racing have the 20 inch front segments shruggy
Maybe not confused
Posted By: Tig

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/30/22 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
1963 Mopar B bodies had the 20 inch front segment, that changed in 1964 to the longer front sections shruggy

The original post you responded to specified 67 Coronet.

Mopar develop the 002 and 003 Super Stock springs originally and intended use were made for the 1968 Hemi A body cars, hence the 20 inch front segment.
I'm under the impression that all of the S.S. springs Mopar has sold for drag racing have the 20 inch front segments shruggy
Maybe not confused

I think you're right. Pretty sure the Challenger had longer springs but I switched to SS springs and the offset hanger kit. Since I didn't want to end up with clearance problems we stuck with the 20" when we swapped to the split mono's.
Posted By: GomangoCuda

Re: Caltracs A or B body front segment - 07/31/22 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
1963 Mopar B bodies had the 20 inch front segment, that changed in 1964 to the longer front sections shruggy

The original post you responded to specified 67 Coronet.

Mopar develop the 002 and 003 Super Stock springs originally and intended use were made for the 1968 Hemi A body cars, hence the 20 inch front segment.
I'm under the impression that all of the S.S. springs Mopar has sold for drag racing have the 20 inch front segments shruggy
Maybe not confused

Cab, we seem to be going in circles. I am quite aware of the 002/003 springs being 20". You said if he switched to 22" he would move the rear end rearward 2". He obviously now has the 2" longer hangers to use 20" in a 22" car. I said all he had to do is put the stock hangers back in to use 22". Seems kind of obvious. Use stock hangers with stock length springs and all will be well. I think I'll stop here.
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