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End of an era...bye bye turbo.

Posted By: dizuster

End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 02:51 AM

Well after 10 years and a long incredible, frustrating, but rewarding journey... I sold all of the turbo stuff out of my Plymouth this week.

I started with a lot of junk hand me down stuff as a project to get my engineering degree. Broke a lot of parts along the way every time we turned up the wick, and I've learned so much with this project.

In the end I'm really proud that I was able to take such a simple combo and run mid 9's in street trim with it.

What I learned
Stock block, crank, and rods will take a LOT of abuse.
No matter how expensive your pistons are, an over-aggressive tuneup will hurt them every time.
Many stock driveline parts will take high power, trans brake, drag radial, launches in a very heavy car... 8 3/4's and front planetary will not one of them.
Turbo cars don't need gear. Mine was very fast on 2.76, 3.23, and 3.55's
Converter selection is everything to making the car launch well.
A good set of shocks and slow motion video from your phone are like magic. Money well spent.
A turbo car WILL repeat as a bracket car if you leave off the trans brake with a boost controller. Zero doubt in that.



After giving it lots of thought, it's just time to get back to foot brake bracket racing with friends, focusing on racing instead of ET chasing...

...and most of all...It's time to go Nostalgia Super Stock Racing with my Dad (dvw).
Posted By: VernMotor

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 03:52 AM

That Car was very cool. I love watching it !
Posted By: Hemi_Joel

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 05:04 AM

What you accomplished with that car is very impressive. up
Posted By: MichaelF

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
What you accomplished with that car is very impressive. up


yes, that´s for sure! did you completely cancel the SB turbo kit you planned?

Michael
Posted By: CokeBottleKid

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 09:40 AM

booooo
Posted By: quickd100

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 10:44 AM

Yep, I agree with what you said. If you keep the motor from detonating its amazing how much power stock parts will make and live. Whenever I hurt my 318 it was always pistons and an occasional head gasket.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 10:58 AM

Damit...I wanted to see you take it to the next level.....426 G3 Hemi and one or two turbo's....Eventually I want to turbo one of my cars and make it more streetable.

Car is awesome, why not just buy a striped down bracket car and throw the left overs in that?
Posted By: JERICOGTX

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizuster


...and most of all...It's time to go Nostalgia Super Stock Racing with my Dad (dvw).


I like the sound of that. What will the new combo be? Different car, or just different drivetrain?
Posted By: JAKE68

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 01:12 PM

scott you doing the 62 into a nss car or you going a different route
Posted By: A727Tflite

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 01:36 PM

Scott, what did it weigh on the starting line ?
Posted By: dizuster

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 03:59 PM

Going to go NSS racing with this car. I struck a deal with HardcoreB to buy the 485" Indy SR headed low deck out of his Valiant. Will de-tune slightly and the goal is to run it in 10.00.

Car was 3740lbs fully loaded on the starting line. I'm HOPING that getting rid of the full exhaust, cast manifolds, 50lbs+ worth of turbo stuff will offset the new Big Block Weight. We will see!

Ultimately I decided not to pursue the turbo kits. The prototype is up and running in a Demon, but in the end I have been fortunate enough to have my career take off at Chrysler. Just don't have the time to take on something that big, and be able to provide good customer support.
Posted By: one bad fish

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 05:00 PM

good luck
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by dizuster


...and most of all...It's time to go Nostalgia Super Stock Racing with my Dad (dvw).


I like the sound of that. What will the new combo be? Different car, or just different drivetrain?

Sale pending!

Attached picture NewWright.jpg
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/08/22 06:40 PM

Loved the car, glad to hear the story will continue on in a different configuration.
Posted By: Dartin

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 10:14 AM

Glad to hear you’ll be back out with it Scott! The turbo deal was pretty amazing and I’m sure you will be successful with the new setup as well. Sounds like a win/win for you and Sean both.

Randy
Posted By: dart games

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 10:45 AM

glad to see you ditching the turbo.all the turbo is .is street outlaws monkey see monkey do.everyone wants to be like the tv tells them to be
Posted By: dizuster

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by 69b1dart
glad to see you ditching the turbo.all the turbo is .is street outlaws monkey see monkey do.everyone wants to be like the tv tells them to be


LOL... this car was together and on the chassis dyno a year and a half before Street Outlaws ever aired for the first time. So I think they are the monkey's not me! smile
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 01:24 PM

Based on the theme of the original post and some of the responses, I'll throw-in my 2cents... As much of an All-Motor guy I am at heart, i don't think what i am selling Dizuster is as 'fitting' as the turbo 360 considering the original intent of the car. It may still be somewhat of a surprise with looks/verses performance but, it'll be much slower especially 'detuned' for longevity. For sure it will be nice for those two to run the same class, I've always liked this class. So, the goal now is to, achieve Dizuster's goal.
Posted By: GTS340

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by dizuster
Originally Posted by 69b1dart
glad to see you ditching the turbo.all the turbo is .is street outlaws monkey see monkey do.everyone wants to be like the tv tells them to be


LOL... this car was together and on the chassis dyno a year and a half before Street Outlaws ever aired for the first time. So I think they are the monkey's not me! smile


I was going to post the same thing!
I find it ironic the turbo slamming came from someone with the slowest tube chassis B1 headed car west of the Mississippi
Posted By: GY3

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by 69b1dart
glad to see you ditching the turbo.all the turbo is .is street outlaws monkey see monkey do.everyone wants to be like the tv tells them to be


Power adders have gotten a lot cheaper and the electronics to control them have a better availability.

There is a performance boom and Street Outlaws has very little to do with it.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Based on the theme of the original post and some of the responses, I'll throw-in my 2cents... As much of an All-Motor guy I am at heart, i don't think what i am selling Dizuster is as 'fitting' as the turbo 360 considering the original intent of the car. It may still be somewhat of a surprise with looks/verses performance but, it'll be much slower especially 'detuned' for longevity. For sure it will be nice for those two to run the same class, I've always liked this class. So, the goal now is to, achieve Dizuster's goal.


No doubt the big block will be more "traditional" than the turbo was. But I think it'll still be a pretty cool car with the look that it has, running low tens, dare I say high 9's if I put the car on a little bit of a stealth diet.

Cleaned up picture of the new bullet. Will have the drysump and tunnel ram removed, replaced with ported Indy Mod-Man.

Attached picture New Bullet.png
Posted By: GTX MATT

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 02:23 PM

How much power did you make with the stock block/crank/rods and how many passes?

How fast did you go with the stock pistons?
Posted By: topfueldart

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by GTS340
Originally Posted by dizuster
Originally Posted by 69b1dart
glad to see you ditching the turbo.all the turbo is .is street outlaws monkey see monkey do.everyone wants to be like the tv tells them to be


LOL... this car was together and on the chassis dyno a year and a half before Street Outlaws ever aired for the first time. So I think they are the monkey's not me! smile


I was going to post the same thing!
I find it ironic the turbo slamming came from someone with the slowest tube chassis B1 headed car west of the Mississippi




laugh2 I had a similar thought having seen the for sale ad.

Turbo'd since 2007 here! punkrocka

Good luck with the new combo Dizuster.
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 05:37 PM

That engine looks familiar grin

Should be alot of fun racing with your pops. Big shoes to fill there, hope to see you both at an NMCA this season.
Posted By: moparx

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 06:35 PM

sounds like a lot of fun DZ !
i wished you guys were closer so you could give my a$$ a KICK [start] and a helping hand getting my charger back up and going. laugh2
my dad was kind of disappointed i chose interest in cars and machinist work instead of carpentry, like he and grandpa was into.
although in later life, the old man was real happy i chose what i did, because i saved him tons of money and time fixing his ride[s].
to say he was rough on vehicles was kind of an understatement. whistling biggrin
he did have a great sense of humor though. [the family says we all have a great sense of "A$$HOLERY" ]
till the day he died, every time he saw me no matter where that was, he would look at me and say : "HEHEHE ! I got HAIR, and you DON'T ! HEHEHE!" [referring to the baldness of my dome]
i sure miss him ! frowwn
beer
Posted By: Prochargedmopar

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/09/22 09:24 PM

The Turbo 5.9 was good stuff!
Really enjoyed the Transmission build info too.
Thanks

👍💪
Posted By: Whompin_Wedge

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/10/22 01:03 AM

Well... I am sad to see the turbo set up go but am pumped for you to come into NSS!!

That 62 will always stand out no matter what is under the hood.

I hope this also means you will be attending more races!!

Casey FJ
Posted By: an8sec70cuda

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/10/22 02:02 PM

I'm not a turbo fan, but I really enjoyed seeing all you did w/ that combo! Very fast for what it was!
Posted By: tboomer

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/10/22 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I'm not a turbo fan, but I really enjoyed seeing all you did w/ that combo! Very fast for what it was!


Yupp! It was one of my favorite cars on here. Very sneaky car for the street! wave
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/11/22 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I'm not a turbo fan, but I really enjoyed seeing all you did w/ that combo! Very fast for what it was!


Yupp! It was one of my favorite cars on here. Very sneaky car for the street! wave

All you fair weather 'turbo' guys are pushing my buttons, lol. The H with it all, now I'm set on turning UP the wick on this underachiever BB and driving past the 9.55. Now I just gotta get Diz on board $$$.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/11/22 03:05 PM

I have been 9.42....And that is addictively fast.
Posted By: dizuster

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/11/22 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I'm not a turbo fan, but I really enjoyed seeing all you did w/ that combo! Very fast for what it was!


Yupp! It was one of my favorite cars on here. Very sneaky car for the street! wave

All you fair weather 'turbo' guys are pushing my buttons, lol. The H with it all, now I'm set on turning UP the wick on this underachiever BB and driving past the 9.55. Now I just gotta get Diz on board $$$.


You think I was pushing that stock block before! Lets go get a PAIR of turbos for that thing. smile Kidding of course.
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/11/22 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by dizuster
Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I'm not a turbo fan, but I really enjoyed seeing all you did w/ that combo! Very fast for what it was!


Yupp! It was one of my favorite cars on here. Very sneaky car for the street! wave

All you fair weather 'turbo' guys are pushing my buttons, lol. The H with it all, now I'm set on turning UP the wick on this underachiever BB and driving past the 9.55. Now I just gotta get Diz on board $$$.


You think I was pushing that stock block before! Lets go get a PAIR of turbos for that thing. smile Kidding of course.

FWIW it still has the runner bosses for injectors AND there'd be no modifying the intake plenum/runners either! It is low compression too...hmmm.
Posted By: 1980volare

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/16/22 12:25 PM

You’ll be back. They always come back 🤣
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/18/22 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by 1980volare
You’ll be back. They always come back 🤣

Probably true and he might even drag me.
Posted By: feets

Re: End of an era...bye bye turbo. - 02/18/22 08:46 PM

Best of luck with the new venture.

You and I learned many of the same lessons. It made me feel better knowing that I wasn't the only one with such growing pains.

When I started the budget TT440 build on Moparts in 2001 I caught tons of grief and ridicule. There were several encouraging folks but it was the ugly stuff that always seemed to surface.

Fast forward 20 years and everyone wants to turbo. It is so much easier now with all the electronics.

I imagine you get the same lines I do from others. So many people ask if I'm going to turbo the next project. There's no way I'm going to pay for a wood chipper big enough to handle 541 inches of exhaust flow.


I'm not around as much as I used to be but I, too, enjoyed watching your progress. Here's to the next one! beer
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