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power glide question

Posted By: dbran451

power glide question - 07/10/21 12:48 PM

I have a question about the starter did you need a spacer between the starter and the bell housing if so how thick thanks for the help
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 02:34 PM

Depends on whos parts you are using for the install. But yes I have always had to use one and depending on whos parts between .020" to 3/8"!
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 02:37 PM

There is no 'one answer fits all' here unless the answer is "*it depends*". Basically you'll have to determine what distance you'll need depending on the type of starter IN EVERY APPLICATION. There just are so many ways to retrofit a PG, so many different parts available (INCLUDING CONVERTER) you could list everything but still the answer is the same. On my Tilton the free gap was .100" plusminus .040 AND to set the backlash between .01 and .03"
Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Depends on whos parts you are using for the install. But yes I have always had to use one and depending on whos parts between .020" to 3/8"!

Dammit beat me to the punch again!
Posted By: dbran451

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 04:01 PM

we are using a JW bellhousing with a Meziere flexplate and an ATI converter
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 04:33 PM

Call all three of them and see what they want for their parts scope
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 06:15 PM



Some of the adapters that mount the flywheel to the crank determines a lot. Some go on the engine side and some go towards the transmission
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


Some of the adapters that mount the flywheel to the crank determines a lot. Some go on the engine side and some go towards the transmission
Good points.

Just to show the wide range of results, here is my combo:
PG with JW Ultrabell
ATI flexplate and crank adapter
440 stock block
Power Master mini starter (normal size Denso style mini starter)
1/4" thick midplate between the block and JW bell housing.
Turbo style converter (Ultimate Converter) (PG has turbo input shaft); and 1/4" thick spacers between the converter lugs and flexplate (supplied by Ultimate Converters).

Starter spacer (two pieces) 0.537"
And the starter nose uses the JW nose extension too.

Part of that thickness is because the previous owner cut the midplate opening so 1/4" is just for the midplate thickness.

Attached picture PG_starter_shims537.jpg
Posted By: dbran451

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 09:09 PM

what does the cost have to do with the question
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: power glide question - 07/10/21 09:22 PM



Here’s some of my stash of parts from over the years as I’ve used a lot of different kits in my small and big blocks I got a few of those shim packs from summit and they work great.

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Posted By: dbran451

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 12:18 AM

you wouldn't happen to have the part number for the JW shim package
Posted By: NITROUSN

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 01:28 AM

Bought mine from Coan set mine up and it all fit.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dbran451
you wouldn't happen to have the part number for the JW shim package




I just got out of the hospital and I’m kind of wiped out but I will try to look it up tomorrow
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by dbran451
what does the cost have to do with the question

The question was what space they want on between the converter and their parts, not costs shruggy
I have been told by A1 and Mikes Tranny two different specs. on that space shruggy work
FTI wants theirs different also shruggy
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by dbran451
you wouldn't happen to have the part number for the JW shim package

#92472

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Posted By: CMcAllister

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 03:02 AM

We used a JW bell with his crank adapter, The Wheel and shim kit to start. Didn't like all the shims so after determining the thickness needed, we made 2 1/4" aluminum spacers. 1/8"mid plate from when we had the 3 speed so it was scalloped to allow the starter to mount against the bell. Standard GM converter with 1/8" shims between the flexplate and converter pads. Mopar Performance starter. Worked perfect..
Posted By: scottb

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 03:01 PM

I just use a 3/8 flat washer
Posted By: moparacer

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 04:50 PM

I use shims like Pittsburgh posted in his pic that came with my JW bell years ago.

I only use one with my setup.
Posted By: dbran451

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 06:11 PM

thanks everyone for the answers its been informative i guess i wont know the answer for our setup until i get the converter back from being checked
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by dbran451
thanks everyone for the answers its been informative i guess i wont know the answer for our setup until i get the converter back from being checked




Exactly. Get a good flashlight and after you bolt the starter in check your clearance. Push the starter away enough so you have plenty of clearance. Good luck.
Posted By: moparx

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
I just got out of the hospital and I’m kind of wiped out


hope everything is going good !
beer
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: power glide question - 07/11/21 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


Here’s some of my stash of parts from over the years as I’ve used a lot of different kits in my small and big blocks I got a few of those shim packs from summit and they work great.

Those parts look familiar up
I have some like them also grin
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