Jerico GTX VS Hemi Joel dragstrip dinner bet

Last fall, Jerico GTX (Jeff) and I made a bet. His Road Runner against my Hemicoupe. Quickest e.t. in 2020 wins dinner. Today, the future had been foretold by a world famous artist. This has Jeff's tail feathers (literally) ruffled a bit, but still, I'm not cutting him any slack on the 1320! While he's slacking off, polishing his pretty paint with his new California Duster, I'm going thru my motor and putting the coupe on a diet.

...... that’ll grind his gearz!

Just so you know what you have to currently surpass... but we all know Wile E Coyote NEVER caught the Road Runner.

Just like they will be this fall, the win arrows are pointing to the other side of the time slip.

You won’t take me up on my other bet I suggested...

That's a sucker bet...

You just don’t want to lose a third bet in a row.

Just so you can get used to the view...

Any SIDE BET action ??

Odds ?

You can if you want to.

I don't see any real losers on this deal, both cars are great
Now, who can tune and drive the best

Bet on the Hemi, Doc, you can't go wrong!

Bet on the proven combo Doc. Joel’s had more chassis certs than 9 second time slips.

Youz guyz are a trip ....

On the surface ... I’d have to lean to jX ....

Why ? .... I remember seeing that coupe video at a old power tour get squirrelly and SELF DESTRUCT

Hoping that ain’t HJ ...

Ouch, that left a mark! Overshadowed only by the Road Runner successfully completing more YEARS in the shop than PASSES down the 1/4 Mile.

Nope, thankfully not me.

How many years was it from you buying the Coop, to it's first pass down the track?

Zing! lol

Good stuff- you both have sweet cars. I love both of them. Best of luck and be safe. Let us know if you can meet up this year and get some racing in.

I’d put your money on the younger, better looking one.

The shrewdness of senectitude will overcome youth and inexperience every time. Actually eating the free dinner won't be nearly as enjoyable as watching Jeff squirm when he has to remove the hermetic seal from his wallet when he gets the check!

We both know with your Automotive ADD, it's probably less than a 50/50 chance the Coop will be running by October 15th.

I do concede on that point only....

Is THIS .... ?

THE NEW 2020 FEUD?

Like the past Duck FabUglass vs oleHam ??

That one IS DONE ... the ole geezer moved to Mexico me thimks!!

I beez thimkin these two Minnesota are SNOWED IN now !

Well my money is on the race car with three pedals(as god intended) Love the car Jeff too bad about Norwalk maybe next year I can see it run

Gus

If you want to throw away your hard earned $ on on the boy racer, that's your choice, but the smart money is on the old guy in the street car with 3 pedals!

Doc FlaPperGas, we bEez not snowed in, we Beez corona-ed in!

Now THAT sounds like the plan here .... to THE BEACH I go ....high tide is soon ....

BTW ... ur gonna need some more Corona tonite.... to keep you warm !

It’ll be in the mid THIRTIES there ...

You're not supposed to give up. This is supposed to motivate you for that dollar menu meal at McDonalds. Your choice of 3 items, so choose wisely.

It's all good. Moparts needs a little spicing up. Make no mistake about it Joel, and I are good friends. Although you would never know it on Drag Week around day 3...

I love these call outside amongst friends. Good stuff here.

You LiE ... hJ..

All THIS has is TWO pedals !

But ..... HAIL to da cHiEf !

jX ... what da fugg ? .... ur conceding aLrEaDy ? HIS ..... choice of three items ??!!

.....and I was gonna bet on CHOO .... an Xtra large order of Checkers seasoned fries !

The more things change the more they stay the same. Carry on.

Here is Joel looking for his 4/10’s+ at the top of the mountain.

Jeff if your looking for a heads up race @ Drag Week...I'll give it a shot with my 383,70Superbee

Didn't know your coupe was a hand shaker what box you got in there?

Gus

Nah, I’m no fool. I know what that car is capable of. BTW Ed, answer your Facebook friends request. LOL.

It’s got a transmission out of a D500 Dump truck. Joel can’t shift that thing at all...




























I’m just kidding. It has a T56 Magnum in it.

HAPPY MEAL? Were going to Outback Steakhouse so you can buy me 3 orders of shrimp on the barbie! Here is how it is going to look:

Gus, I never got the shifting sorted out in time for Drag Week, so I did have to granny shift the T56 Maganum. But I'm working on that shifting thing. Also, I'm putting in a Hillbilly soft Lock

Joel did you add a Blower?

He’s going to need one...

Ahhh...Yes! The good old days are back! We were doing callouts here long before the Street Outlaw fad hit! Good luck to both of you!

Might be down for the night of fire Ted...

Jeff your a humble person and that's what i like about you...i was just joking about the call out...i really do hope to see you at drag week just to hang out....I checked my friends list your not there...next time when your on facebook just type in my name and lansing michigan...U will get a chuckle of the burn out that we did at the local speed shop with the 63 New Porker...lol

I knew the must be a good reason why I like Wiley Cyote. He drives a Hemi!

4/10's? I can find that blindfolded! There's a couple more up on that mountain if I climb it. I can taste that free dinner already.

Old Yeller, I sent you a friend request.

Joel, The only thing you'll be eating is crow, once again. You must have a really good recipe for it by now. We can always do another side bet? I'd wager another Dinner, that Becky will run in the 9's with the new chassis combo, before the Coop runs 9's.

I'm thinking there should be a tattoo bet If Joel wins Jeff gets a Hemi rules tat and if Jeff wins Joel gets one that says my hemi got destroyed by a boat anchor 400. Lol

Can I get the winner, I'm always hungry

Al, your'e going to have to spot me a few car lengths....

I've been shamed worse before, Hemi beat by a buick. In racing, you never know what will happen on any given day.

That means he’ll only need to give me a couple lengths.

And another month has passed... One of us has made trips down the race track, while the other is goofing off, thinking he has "Plenty of Time".

Every day that passes, I can taste that second FREE dinner Joel will owe me.

BTW, headed to the track again next weekend Joel. You can go also. No restrictions on ADD racers.

jX .... me thimks hJ needs a name change ... how about goofyHEMI ?

Might I suggest PENALTIES for every week he GOOFS OFF ?

I don’t really care who wins........ but I am enjoying some of the art work in this thread.

The key to happiness is finding something that you really enjoy, that you excell at, and then focus your time and energy into that one endeavour.
For me, that's goofing off.

And now we have another couple months that have passed. Tick Tock... I can almost taste that steak dinner now Joel...

I bet. Joel going to have a side of Crow?

Without Drag Week 2020 to thrash towards, I don't have too much motivation to spend all my spare time for the rest of this short, beautiful summer in the shop. I'll keep plugging away on the bad weather days, but when you live in Minnesota, you need to be out enjoying the summer, too. KSJ, what goes good with crow?

Figured you'd have a good recipe after losing the last bet?

You know I just need to keep razzing you, and pushing you so we can be ready for next years Drag Week?

Not sure . I did find this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJmht6l2iEc

I'm still moving forward. There is some stuff I was planning to do over the winter to lighten the car that can't be to accomplished with the motor in the chassis. Now that Drag Week is cancelled, does it make sense to put the motor back in for a couple weeks to win a bet, then tear it back out? Now that my valve springs finally showed up, I will get the Hemi screwed back together, and onto the dyno, then I'll see how much time remains before the expiration of the bet, to decide if I should temporarily put it together to trounce Jeff, or just buy him dinner...

Wait a minute Joel I've been to Minnesota. It only has two seasons winter and construction. Lol

Mike

You are right MIke, And I just happen to be in a construction business!

The HJ and jX race ?

Me thimks it will 90 degrees in MINIsota in December when that race happens !

Not an actual race. Just whoever has the fastest time slip by Oct 15th.

So if you get a good pass in and Joel doesn't you win??

That is correct. Even if I made a 20 second pass.

I hope you have a low 10 second pass in your future...

So Joel, same bet for 2021 correct???

I was hoping you'd forget about this post...

I am covered on the 2020 dinner tho... I asked for Texas Roadhouse for Christmas, and I got that plus Applebees. Enough to cover the bet, so my wallet is safe!

Should have added a no gift card usage rule in... its more rewarding to see you squirm as you pull money out of your wallet.

Well the race is on! Joel has managed to keep himself from shiny objects lately, and focused on his HEMI Coupe. I finally got my short block back from the machinist, but waiting on my SR heads to be freshened up. They’ve had the wrong valve springs in them since who knows when... Hopefully they will be ready to go before this weekend. I’m hoping to make some test passes at Rockfalls on the 27th, then Joel and I will head to Norwalk for the Midwest Drags. Possibly going to 6 different tracks in one week.

I am really looking forward to that week.

It's going to be close. I have the advantage of having all of my parts, Jeff is still waiting for his heads which is out of his control. Jeff has the advantage of his car already having run the number and being sorted out. I have the disadvantage of needing to test a new combination and being three or four tenths away from the target.

It could be anybody's race!

I love those early bodies and early hemiroid motors
Joel has it right for the perfect street rod, other than them suicide doors

The new dinner bet for 2021 is: First to make a 9.79 pass wins. SInce the COupes best is 10.14, Jeff thinks he has easy pickin's.

But he doesn't know about my new secret weapon!

The Coupe doesn’t have suicide doors.

Secret weapon? I’m not scared. I’m hoping the new clutch program picks the car up at least a tenth.

Hope is not a strategy. Maybe you could throw some coins in the wishing well too. (:

At the very least, my first pass of the year will secure yet another dinner out of you. Going faster yet will be icing on the cake.

(In a car with paint)

Jeff can start licking his chops, I had another setback tonight.

Oh ohhhh... text me.

At the very end of the night last night, I stepped on the clutch pedal, and the hydraulic throwout bearing popped open and fluid ran out the bellhousing. Not too hard to fix, but just more time. And I'm teetering on the precipice of not having enuff time to beat Jeff out of a dinner, and be ready for the Midwest Drags. I got out there early before work today and pulled the trans so assess the damage. One of the orings was torn and hanging out. Hopefully a new O-ring and reassembly will cure it. I also need to figure out how to keep it from happening again.

As we have discussed, as time goes on, we'll have many dinners together. It's just a matter of who will have to pay the tab. I'm at a stand still. You have time, and don't worry about it.

I really detest aftermarket t/out bearings. Have yet to see one that did not have some strange issue eventually.

What bellhousing is in that thing Joel? Hopefully it will be a quick r&r for you. I'd grab a couple of spare o-rings for the tool box too.

Jerimiah, its a QUicktime bell. The TO bearing worked fine with the long style Mcleod Soft Lok. But now I put in a diaphram style Mclead RTX. I went thru the measure/calculate thing to determine the # of rings behind it. I'll have to double check that. Or could the diaphragm be too soft or have more travel of the fingers?

In my experience the finger height on the long style plate is way taller than a diaphragm style. How much difference was it between the two?

Jeremiah they were about the same height, but the long clutch was a single desk, the diaphragm is a dual disk. When I get home from work I'm going to double check the measurements.

I've left two messages for American powertrain, that's who made the throw out bearing. They haven't called me back yet. I had so much trouble with them when I originally bought the stuff, I would never buy anything from them again.

Jeff is getting nervous that he might have to skip a house payment after I order shrimp and lobster, with a filet mignon on the side. Finally got the Hemi Coupe mostly back together, Sunday I fire it up. My shop looks like a tornado went thru...

After all of that no verdict on the technical stuff? : D

Glad you have it back together and ready to run. I'd imagine that thing is pretty tight to work on with the monster tko?

Wow...... my racing program described in one simple statement

While Joel still has the dreaded 5% left to finish his Coupe, the Road Runner is ready to go.

Yes, the dreaded 5% has reared its ugly head.

I made up just the right length spacer to go between the TO bearing and the Transmission, put it together, got it running. But the clutch won't disengage cleanly enuff to put it in gear. So the trans needs to come back out and get that figured out. Also I messes up the threads for the fuel inlet in one of the carbs, it leaks a little so I need to fix that. But the motor seams to have no issues.

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Mark

Joel and I had a discussion on the phone today, and we might have a solution to the clutch issue. If it works, we will fill everyone in on the fix. It could very well cost me a dinner, but at the end of the day, Joel is a good friend, and I want to see his car succeed.

Way to go Jeff!

Thanks for the idea, Jeff. That is a true friend to help me out when a dinner is potentially at steak. (pun intended) Trans comes out tonight for another go at it!

Are you still Hemi Joel trunk monkey and right hand man on the long drag week trips you guys go on?
Let the fun continue

In 2015, after our first Drag Week together, I told Joel as long as he would have me as his Trunk Monkey, count me in. If we make it to Midwest Drags, I’ll actually be passing up the opportunity to run my own car. Joel and I travel well together, and we’ve been on many trips.

Bert and Ernie come to mind. LOL Good luck at Midwest Drags. I may have to have a sick day and make the drive.

Jeff I know you always joke about how cheap Joel is but here's a deal that would make him happy to buy dinner. Yep $5.99 Porterhouse's. Going on the grill soon. If Dragweek was coming though here I'd feed you both just for the entertainment. Lol

Mike

Just to show that I'm not really that cheap: If I came to your place for a free porterhouse steak dinner, I would waive half of my appearance fee.

Joel I know you like seeing odd things so would taking you to Camp Lincoln military museum to see General Santa Anna's wooden leg that the Illinois Calvary took from him when they captured him at the Battle of San Jacinto which gave Texas it's independence from Mexico cover your fee?

Texas hates that Illinois has this spoil of war they captured.

That is right up Joel's alley! DEAL! I mean, who would pass up that kind of opportunity?

Now you're talking my language! I might have to sabotage the race effort just so we can finish early and go see that wooden leg!

Just an update they got the leg from him in 1847. He had not lost his leg yet in 1846 and had both legs still at the battle of San Jacinto. Heck I know you missed it last time so I'll even take you up in the Arch in St. Louis.



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Time to bring this post back up to date for everyone. Not long after the last post in this thread, I broke the 499 in my Road Runner. Only thing I could salvage were the heads, and intake...

Fast forward to this year, Joel and I have made another dinner bet. If I run an 8.999 or faster, Joel has to buy me dinner. If Joel runs 9.999 or faster, I have to buy him dinner. The time frame was to be done by July 15th. Either way we could end up buying each other dinner. We unfortunately have one major setback... Joel has his HEMI apart, and the heads sent out to the guy that first set them up, as the valves are bent, and one of the seats has an issue. The biggest setback, is, there are no titanium valves available for his setup at this time, with no time frame given as to when they will be available. So if Joel can't get the HEMI back together, I'm not going to make him buy me dinner IF I can run an 8 second pass. As much as I like watching Joel open his wallet, it's not a fair bet.

I hope Joel gets the HEMI together. I'm getting hungry...

What is Joel planning on taking to Hot Rod's Drag Week?

With the indefinite wait on my heads, I'm not making any drag week, or even drag racing plans this year. If the heads get done and show up in time for me to put the car together and make drag weak, that will be great but I didn't register, so I'll just have to show up if the car is ready.

I have so many other projects that have got shoved to the back burner for way too long, I'm going to focus on trying to get some of them done this year.

I am feeling so tempted to put a gen 2 Hemi in my coupe. But I would need to remodel the whole steering system because the oil pump hits the steering box. And I would lose my beloved eight carb setup. And with the opportunity to focus on completion of a bunch of other half done stuff, I don't think I'll go down that path. Even though it's hard for me to contemplate.

I have a pretty good stash of new Ti valves. What are the specs? I want to see the 9.xxx pass!

Jeremiah, I need 8 Ferria S0201264 titanium intake valves

That p/n does not come back on Ferrea's website. What size/OAL/stem diameter are we seeking?

Jeremiah, they are custom titanium valves. 5.300 - 5.350 long, 2.2 diameter, 0.290 tip, V-Groove, 5/16 in stem, 23 to 24° tulip. If I could find something close enough to modify, that might be good enough. Thanks, Joel

We found some stainless blanks, availability in 3 to 4 weeks. So I'm going to switch over to them because it seems the wait for titanium valves is indefinite. They will be more of a nail head than a tulip head so I'll give up a little bit of flow, but that will save some weight on the valve to help make up for the heavier material. Hopefully I'll have the car on the track this year.


So the big question mark now is, will Jeff run his 8.90s off the trailer? Or will it be a time consuming process where I will have a chance to get things together and win the bet?


Of course I want the free dinner from Jeff, nothing better than that in my book. Except seeing Jeff's car work flawlessly on the first outing. In that case all happily buy us both dinner.