New Billet BBM Water Block !!

Not sure of their motivation on this but is nice !!

CFE Racing Products, Inc.

Fresh out of the EZ-Bake Billet Oven!

Billet Water Jacketed Mopar Big Block
• 10.725 Deck
• Designed for Wedge Heads
• 1.000 Inch Lifter Bores
• Mopar or BBC Oiling System
• 5.400 Cam-to-Crank
• WATER JACKETED!!!!!!

Call us for more information at 586.773.6310

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Got pricing, or a web page with pricing and options?

Made from a solid hunk of cantaffordium

surprised its a weldment. also surprised they didn't go straight for the crossbolts

Definitely the gourmet stuff.
Bigger bore centers would address a need , but then you need heads for them.
And even though I don't see myself in the market for one , I do like the approach.

CFE Racing as in Carl Foltz in Eastpoint Michigan? I see its a 586 area code. Well if that's Carl's block, you can bet its a great piece.

Lookin' at that makes me feel like a young man.

I totally agree. They do all of Prostocks billet intakes.
I spoke to Carl last year.
What a knowledgeable guy and easy to talk to.

I wonder if some Predator heads are going on top of it, for a Black Dart?

Noonan did a water jacketed Hemi block last year for Drag Week

but then you need heads for them

and a crank, and a cam, and an intake manifold, and a pan (and motor mounts, a driveshaft?).
IMHO this is only practical when you've reached a point of development where more inches is better use of money than the existing available parts.
Makes boost look cheap, don't it?

Distributer is in the wrong spot..... but still pretty cool! It’s great seeing ANY new stuff coming down the pipe Mopar related!!!

Welding allows internal construction that cannot be cast

A thousand here..........a thousand there.
Pretty soon , you're talking real money.
But yeah.........I saw an 807 " Billet everything in a carbon fiber '71 Mustang at Houston Motorsports park last summer and I haven't been the same since.
Bickel built , four stages of spray.......it was literally more car than they had track for.

How is boost cheap when it quickly can push well beyond what a stock block can handle?Anything in a Mopar block other than a Hemi that is over 700hp is pretty much on borrowed time. Strokers with good heads already hit 700hp easily....So adding boost is like burning the wick at both ends...These are the kinds of blocks you need for boost.

No. I saw his new water block a few weeks ago.

What type of welds were used to construct the welded block assembly ?

It’s a billet block. No casting.
Welding is easier than the alternative which would be bolt on sealed covers.
I like the china wall placement. Easy to prevent valvetrane parts from migrating into the spinny part of the engine.
Also like the dual pattern bell.
Nice, I bet it isn’t all that more expensive than a new priced KB.

Looks to me like it has a rather decent head placement platform for serious blower and or high strung turbo set ups to prevent head gasket/sealing problems.

Am I correct that the welded areas are to close up the access for the CNC machine to cut out water jackets?

Looks very nice! Depending on how thick the welded on plate is on the outside of the block, that looks like it can create some header fitment problems.

Straight out of Michigan, gotta love that.

ILL TAKE ONE GARY....THANKS LOL

Take that China

Is that work of art heat treated/stress relieved/cyro'd during the build/weld process?

That might be proprietary, so a general response is fine.

Thank God for Facebook so we can see stuff like this and drag it over here. Looks like a nice piece but way out of my budget

I would like to see some pics prior to welding, just to see what kind of weld joints were used?

While this block isn't for everyone cost wise ( 16K water....14K dry ) it's a drop in the bucket for some !!!

What gets my curiosity is why as CFE has plenty on their plate already for them to do a BBM billet block !!!

I called. $16,000

14K dry is a joke. CN makes a good looking billet block for $9,000 and I don't think BAE is higher.

http://www.cnblocks.com/CNHemi/CNHemi.html

For the guys looking to stay with a Mopar in the fast classes, this is a good avenue......I still remember when blocks were $2495 and people were complaining....

I remember $295

Who made it?

So who is gonna spend that much for a wedge block?
Aren't the Predator heads for a hemi block better than the wedge versions due to the bolt/port layout??
Most, if not all, of the super high powered stuff nowadays are blown or turbo hemis. Guess I'm not seeing the application for this? Especially at that price.

I started out in the sport I love running 13’s and had a blast. Now honestly I’m having fun running 9.40’s, actually 6.0’s in the 1/8 and racing every weekend when Mother Nature isn’t raining on our parade. Do I want to go faster, of course I do. But I’ve convinced myself that I can’t afford to build a competitive heads up car seeing the big bucks guys are putting into their builds and then burning themselves out on the sport. I watch guys putting a few runs on every year, pulling th engine, and dropping it off to their favorite builder for a refresh. No thanks I’ll stick to my budget builds and enjoy the sport and what I can do with my hands and my money

While I'll never be in the market for a block, it is good to see someone expanding the Mopar parts line.

Aren't the Predator heads for a hemi block better than the wedge versions due to the bolt/port layout??
Most, if not all, of the super high powered stuff nowadays are blown or turbo hemis. Guess I'm not seeing the application for this? Especially at that price.

I have heard that before, but having built 2 Predators (1 with Hemi mead pattern and 1 with the wedge pattern) I don't believe that to be true and would not hesitate to build a wedge Predator. Al Alguire's made more power than mine with wedge heads so? The block is for the high end racer as is the CFE stuff in general. The general public will never buy a product like this, and they know it. It's not for that. It's for the guys that want to race a Mopar product and don't care what the cost is. That's not me. One other side note, it wouldn't matter if you wanted a GM design, the price would be the same.

I'd die for one of those blocks.

No, seriously, if I bought one, my wife would kill me.

One other side note, it wouldn't matter if you wanted a GM design, the price would be the same.
I think you mean the development cost? Perhaps.
But the price is greatly affected by projected sales volume.
Do you think you could sell more BBM heads like that? Or BBC heads? That would make the BBC cheaper.

But no one would buy a BBC head at that price, since there are already comparable products much cheaper.

Since predators are available in hemi config (better than wedge), and blown power is better with hemi heads, why make a wedge block? Runnig alky you'd get by with no water, or just in the head sooooo There must be something more going on. Or they made one for someone, and now have the program.

fact.

Those would be made from a forging, less to machine off. Hemi Billet blocks are probably the cheapest available as basically all Nitro guys run them.

I would imagine CFE are making them from a rectangular billet, for whatever reason

Those would be made from a forging

It may be possible to forge a block, but I doubt it.

as a retired machinist, i would love to see one of those blocks just to be able to view, in person, the craftsmanship. [and i don't mean craftsman tools either. ]

Brad Anderson Blocks are Forged then machined.

These are made from forged Billet chuck of aluminum of about 400 pounds...

How would you forge water jackets? A cam tunnel? Tappet gallery?

I am no expert, but I assume the jackets are 5 axis machined and the deck plates welded on, but that is a guess based on this vid.

https://youtu.be/cpDSvdLRODo

They're a basic shape forging of the outside of the block and the lifter valley. I think there are pics on BAE's website, or I may have seen them on their Facebook page.