Trick Flow Track Heat 440 int vs Edelbrock Victor 440 int?

Has anyone here seen the new Trick Flow 440 intake next to an Edelbrock Victor 440 intake? Or better yet, anyone know of any tests with the these two intakes on the same engine? At first look I thought the Track Heat was just a Victor copy, but some pictures I found online show there are some differences. Whether one is better than the other? I guess that's why I'm asking here.

All I can do is post some pics that I found (some from here, some not) that might help to highlight some of the differences. I don't claim to know anything about intake design; I just like to on them where it looks to me like they need it.

Here are pics of the TF 440 intake, followed by pics of the Victor 440 intake (including the plenum mods that I've done on my own), followed by shots of a stock Super Victor 440 and the Wilson-modified Super Victor that AndyF has.

At some point I may be in the position to test a TF, but it wouldn't be against an out-of-the-box Victor... 'cuz I can't leave 'em alone.

More TF pics of the plenum & down the runners...

Victor pics...

A view down a stock Victor runner, and a shot of the plenum mod I've found to help...

The pics AndyF posted previously of an out-of-the-box Super Victor and the one he had Wilson Manifolds rework. Figured I'd include them, since Edelbrock changed the plenum some -- not just made it bigger -- when they brought out the Super Victor.

I think the Trick Flow intake is slightly better than the Victor. I've run them back to back on the dyno and I'd buy a TF intake rather than a Victor intake.

It's interesting, I see as-cast plenum/runner transition similarities on the TF that I found to be helpful on the mods I used to do to the Holley Street Dominators to pick them up fairly substantially.

Also interesting, in my experience the longer the stroke the less helpful additional runner length is in terms of addition torque above the Peak Torque RPM, particularly when the port cross section is on the smallish side for the Displacement (as is usually the case with non MW BB mopars.

The Victor looks like the runners are a little shorter and have a straighter path into the cylinder head. Maybe better at higher revs than the Trick Flow?

Porky,

Yeah hard for me to tell without looking at them side by side, Looks like the Vic has more meat in there for porting but to me the 4150 Plenum looks a little small-ish for a 500+ motor. The TF looks a bit like an oversized Torker II to me.

Another one to consider is the Mopar 337...It is lower (for better hood clearance) and although it's listed as a Max wedge... it's really not that big as-cast at the head flanges, it may be 1/2 way between a 906 and a true MW. What the 337 DOES HAVE IN SPADES is a comparatively large plenum and very good/excellent port taper (larger port cross section at the plenum vs the head outlet)...so of the 3 choices it looks like it might have the best HP potential fully ported on a bigger motor... even on a non MW ported combo. It's not a full race piece like the Indy but ported it seems to work very very well on my 517.....Much more responsive then I ever expected it to be.I haven't held the Super Victor 4500 and the plenum looks much larger but I can't tell if the runners (vs the Victor) are much larger as well or not...they should be.

BACK FROM THE DEAD!

I gotta break out the Makita in the next couple of weeks and prep an intake that's going on my 452 Victor-headed build (yeah, it's really dragged out). I have a Victor intake, but could also pick up a Trick Flow intake in time to complete the work if it would be better to spend my time on the newer design. Only going to have time to do one, so the next dyno session won't be an intake swap-fest like my last one... although I do have a bunch of carbs I want to check out.

So, it's a "Last call!" of sorts before I dive in and starting making chips... Thanks - Brad

EDIT: Even though I happen to own a Victor (2, actually), I have a "gut feeling" the Trick Flow might require less prep work due to some things I know about the Victor, but am not sure the end results would be much different.

I just had Wilson work over my Trick Flow intake. I haven't seen it yet but they told me it is finished and is in the mail so maybe next week I'll be able to post some pictures. That way you can see what they did to it.

He11 yeah!

It is a low deck intake though. If it was an RB intake I'd loan it to you for your dyno testing. Only Wilson RB intake I have is the Super Victor which wouldn't work for you either.

X2, interested on seeing that also since my engine has the TF manifold.

Here you go

And, like their Indy intake mods, extended runner dividers only on two, instead all four like is much more typical.

Yeah I do not know what the thinking is behind that but that is what they have done on the last couple of intakes for me. The SV intake that they did a few years back had all four runners extended but now they are just extending two runners.

Maybe it's just the pics, but do they raise the floor of the plenum and then slope it down towards the runners? Kinda like a built in "turtle" for the plenum floor?
Or does it just look like that b/c of the way the machining pattern looks?

I do not think they raise the floor but I'm not 100% sure since I didn't make any measurements of that area. I think it is just the way they do the machine work that makes it look three dimensional. Kind of like the way they cut the grass at a major league ball park. The different grinding directions make it look 3D but it is actually smooth to the touch.

If you look closely at the pics above of both the stock Trick Flow and Victor 440 intakes, you'll see that is how both brands cast the floors of their intakes. Not really a turtle IMO, but maybe something to reduce fuel pudding. I think of turtles as being used more for tuning fuel distribution.

Thanks Andy and Brad. After looking at the "before" pics again, I see what you're talking about Brad. Didn't notice it before.

Ok, it's 9 months after I started this. Has anyone seen a test that uses both intakes on the same engine?

5-years later there should be some answers now to all the questions asked in this thread.

Tom

So, 5 years later, the answers are:
1. PorkyPig is an a-hole
2. BradH is an idiot
3. Trick Flow is better out of the box
4. Both intakes are comparable if fully ported

Tony Bischoff did an Engine Masters Mopar entry some years ago where I saw pics of the engine using both intakes at different times. I believe he went with the Edelbrock because Trick Flow wasn't paying sponsorship bonus for their intake, but Edelbrock was.

Well I would have thought more would have commented on this thread. For what it's worth I redid the plenum on my Victor and added a homemade pyramid on the bottom.

Tom

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