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Is my carb to small?

Posted By: Runner

Is my carb to small? - 03/17/16 11:59 PM

I have a 750 holley dp with a holley hp main body. Im wondering if there is much to be gained switching to a larger carb. Like a 950 hp? My combo is a 470 ci comp solid cam lift intake.570 .573 lift exh. Durations at .050 is 251 int 258 exhaust. M1 intake 3800 stall converter, 4.10 rear gear in a 3800 pound car with me.
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 12:10 AM

DEFINITELY...............
Posted By: rb446

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 12:16 AM

x2
Posted By: Iowan

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 12:21 AM

Needs a 850 cfm!
Posted By: ademon

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 12:42 AM

Replaced my 750dp single plane intake on my 360 with a Ported 6 pack intake and the old mechanical direct connection 6 pack carbs that have a true 1,000 + CFM and it's faster so I would say YES.
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 01:38 AM

950. Maybe. 850. Absolutely.
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 01:53 AM

I think it's a slam dunk. If you're buying a 950HP carb, make sure it's one of the newer ones that were actually 950 cfm, and not the earlier ones that the 950 was just a name.

R.
Posted By: Runner

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 02:22 AM

what do you guys think im leaving on the table staying with the 750?
Posted By: D-50

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 02:52 AM

ET and MPH....
Posted By: Runner

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 03:30 AM

i have not ran this combo yet, hope i picked some up over the old engine. my old motor was the same edelbrock heads, unported with a little smaller cam (comp xe282s). and 452 ci. it went 11.49@117 on the coast (woodburn oregon in july) with clocks i trust. the closest 1/4 mile is spokane washington and at that track its gone 11.75@115 after they put a new timing system in. with thier old timing system it went 11.35@119. our closest 1/8th mile track it went 7.34@93.9
Posted By: ozymaxwedge

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 03:41 AM

Just put a new 4150 1000cfm Quick Fuel on a mild 446 with Indy heads, went 11.2 @ 123 first night out on street tyres.

You have already been convinced but yeah you need more !!!
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 03:45 AM

Originally Posted By Runner
what do you guys think im leaving on the table staying with the 750?
I ain't a drag racer but the Q reminded me of a statement by my advanced tune up instructor way back who stated that if you have over 1" of vac at WOT then the carb is too small (too much restriction at the venturis)
Posted By: D-50

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 03:52 AM

I have ALWAYS went faster going to a bigger carb Up to 1050 on a small block.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 04:20 AM

Yeah, I'm sure there's room for improvement with a different carb. But you can't just go by the carb's advertised size; you need to take into account venturi size, throttle plate diameter and booster type.

A Holley Ultra 950 HP with a 1.60" venturi is going to run differently than a Quick Fuel Q-950 with a 1.45" venturi... and, NO, bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes down to what makes a particular combination go down the track faster.
Posted By: Runner

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 04:32 AM

Brad, i got a quote from prosystems, he suggested a 950 with his blocks ect. i might go that way. he mentioned gains that seemed like alot to me. am i leaving 25-30 hp on the table with what i have? or am i leaving 5-10? i guess thats what im wondering.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 04:38 AM

Put a vacuum gauge on it and see what it says at WOT. That is probably the best way to see if you need a larger carb.

No doubt that a larger carb will make more power at WOT on your engine but you might not like the larger carb on the street. All depends how you use the car. If it was my car I wouldn't spend the money for a new carb but if a good deal came along I might pick up another carb just for fun.

I had a like new 1000 HP Holley for sale on here for $400 not too long ago. That is the kind of deal that you might want to take advantage of.
Posted By: BradH

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 05:11 AM

Originally Posted By Runner
Brad, i got a quote from prosystems, he suggested a 950 with his blocks ect. i might go that way. he mentioned gains that seemed like alot to me. am i leaving 25-30 hp on the table with what i have? or am i leaving 5-10? i guess thats what im wondering.

Is PJ saying his "950" is worth 25+ HP over your current carb? Seems like a he11uva lot... but I don't build & sell carbs for a living.
Posted By: sgcuda

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 05:17 AM

Originally Posted By Runner
Brad, i got a quote from prosystems, he suggested a 950 with his blocks ect. i might go that way. he mentioned gains that seemed like alot to me. am i leaving 25-30 hp on the table with what i have? or am i leaving 5-10? i guess thats what im wondering.

If you are going to buy a carb, and then start changing it around, can I suggest you talk to ThumperDart first. He can modify an out of the box piece or build you a whole custom carb for your combo. He's a straight shooter and knows his stuff.
Posted By: Runner

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 06:57 AM

andy, i seen that deal but by the time i did it was gone frown.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 08:17 AM

That many inches and those heads your leaving a lot on the table twocents I have used a bunch of different size carbs. on motors like yours, both stock stroke an bigger stroke than yours, all of them like the bigger carbs.(850CFM+) at the track thumbs shruggy I do have several Holleys on the shelf collecting dust if you want to borrow a couple of different ones to try them, 850 Holley D.P. and Holley 1000 HP with annular boosters as well as several 1050 CFM Dominators devil whistling AKA, let me know if you want to try a couple of them thumbs When does Walla Walla season start?
Posted By: deaks

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 07:00 PM

I ran an 850 dp and a 950 HP with the smaller 1.45 venturi, and the 950 et'd better in my full weight 440 challenger. It felt snappier and had better shift recovery.
Mick
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 07:51 PM

The Holley metering (CFM vs. pressure drop across the nozzle) is designed to operate accurately at 1.5" Hg.
If you pull more than that (bigger engine, smaller carburetor; sometimes small plenum):
1. you're leaving some power on the table
2. your A/F BSFC will be slightly off (rich on top)
3. the carb is flowing more than it's rated at

Below 1.5" the signal isn't as effective as I'd like, and needs some work-around with air bleeds etc. but can still help.
Below 1": stop unless you enjoy pain.
Posted By: Runner

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/18/16 08:48 PM

cab, thats a hellava nice offer/ i hate to borrow stuff though. it always seems to come back to haunt me. thanks for all the input. greatly appreciated
Posted By: Mark Whitener

Re: Is my carb to small? - 03/19/16 05:30 AM

Originally Posted By dogdays
I think it's a slam dunk. If you're buying a 950HP carb, make sure it's one of the newer ones that were actually 950 cfm, and not the earlier ones that the 950 was just a name.

R.

You don't want the new 950, the Venturi design is not right. I've spent a lot of flow bench time with them. The Quick Fuel 1050 4150 is a much better choice, and I would suggest annular boosters. Custom carb would be ideal.
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