SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap

Posted By: DaveRS23

SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 12:55 AM

Bought a damper from 440 Source in June of '07. Engine has maybe 3,000 street/strip miles since install. Was checking everything over the other day and noticed blistering and flaking paint along the inner and outer ring joint. Removal and closer inspection revealed rust all along the joint

but then I noticed that the outer ring was loose

. It would move front to rear and side to side.
I talked to 440 Source's tech today (after leaving repeated messages) and (of course) the 90 day warranty is long expired, so T. S.

This part just plain failed prematurely and could have made a real mess of things had I not just happened to have caught it. I feel they should have offered some help! I even offered to order some other things I need, it they would just help some with the new damper. Shouldn't they have at least wanted to see the thing to know what is going on? But then, I guess it doesn't matter because they don't offer this particular damper anymore. (I wonder why?

)
So, anyway, anyone with their previous style of damper (black) might ought to look it over in case I have not gotten the only bad one.

Posted By: Blakcharger440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:13 AM

I brought a SFI Damper from 440Source about 3 months ago and it is part #200-1020 on their website. It has the SFI spec sticker on it RPM SFI 18.1.
It is black and I hope it is not the same damper that you are talking about. This doesnt sound good.

I think that they should offer help with the part given the obvious defect.

Posted By: dthemi

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:15 AM

Well, it is a discount type part, and as a company they never really know what happens after it leaves the warehouse. Sometimes people beat them on, or pry them off, or have them on out of balance stuff that kills them quick. I'm by no means saying you did any of that stuff to it, just that they don't know that, so it might explain why they're not helping.

I'm not trying to excuse 440 source either, but warranty duration is always a good thing to consider with the price.

Posted By: Blakcharger440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:33 AM

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Well, it is a discount type part, and as a company they never really know what happens after it leaves the warehouse. Sometimes people beat them on, or pry them off, or have them on out of balance stuff that kills them quick. I'm by no means saying you did any of that stuff to it, just that they don't know that, so it might explain why they're not helping.

I'm not trying to excuse 440 source either, but warranty duration is always a good thing to consider with the price.

Mine actually has the SFI rated sticker on it. Can they get away with that if it is not?

Posted By: rowin4

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:36 AM

thats one of the problems when we buy parts as we can afford them for engine builds or what ever. Warranty it had ,to bad for you it ran out. I happened to do the same thing took me over a year to buy all the parts ,then it sat at the engine shop for months before assembly. About the only thing that was bought and used right away was the oil. I'm sure if it had failed within the 90 days after purchase,Brandon would have made it right.

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:38 AM

Sure, it could be something I did. I would have felt better about it if they would have wanted to see the thing. Had I beat on it or dropped it or whatever, the evidence would be readily apparent. Because they were only concerned with the purchace date and not what caused the failure ( they didn't ask a single question as to cause), they either already know what the issue is or don't care what the issue is. Either way, I'm disapponted.
I am a wholesaler myself, and have been for many years. I have never encountered a situation where discount or wholesale price reduced warranty, particularly with a repeat customer.
And this damper has the SFI 18.1 sticker on it.

Posted By: Plumcrazyracing

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:41 AM

I've dealt with the guys at 440 source and have had good experiences. They are fairly close by and have a good reputation with the local mopar community. I bought thier girdle kit and pan. The pan was a mess and they had no problem fixing the issue. They actually pulled several of their pans to check against mine and reassured me that the new pan would not have the same problems. Got the pan and their word was good! My

I guess a lot can be said for checking "everything" during a freshen up. Glad to hear the Damper was caught before it was too late!

Tremp

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:46 AM

I think a 90 day warranty on a SFI dampner is a joke...... I mean cmon. how many miles do you put on your car in 90 days!

Its a mazing to me how the customer service is 50/50 at best. your either liked or no...... maybe it depends on how much youve spent there...

Posted By: Von

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:46 AM

I wont say much, as damage control will be along shortly, ie either a lock or Brandon with his usual excuses.

I just laugh as I was flamed like heck for daring to share my Source experiences.

Again, I dont have anywhere near as much problem with his parts as his excuses.

Posted By: Plumcrazyracing

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:46 AM

Posted By: dthemi

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 01:56 AM

The SFI thing is an interesting issue. I'm sure SFI is very proud of what the rating means, so maybe send it to them for a re-evaluation. I know from getting things UL approved that the parts tested are sometimes not what gets made after a while though the rating stays the same. Things made far away can be more vulnerable, and it can happen without the company knowing it.

Posted By: Blakcharger440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:02 AM

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I think a 90 day warranty on a SFI dampner is a joke...... I mean cmon. how many miles do you put on your car in 90 days!

Its a mazing to me how the customer service is 50/50 at best. your either liked or no...... maybe it depends on how much youve spent there...

Well it has been longer than 30 days since I purchased my damper from them. I also purchased my stroker kit,oil pan and main caps from them as well as other small stuff. Guess I am probably screwed on the damper....I havent even finished putting together my 512 yet.

Posted By: 5537SG

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:05 AM

If you havent put the motor together, just how are you screwed on the damper? Did it fail??

If someone else had a problem, it doesnt mean that you will.

Posted By: DV8

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:26 AM

...where are the blocks ???...

~S~

Posted By: dOc !

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:35 AM

IMO ....an item like this should never "fail". How many 35 year old PLUS OEM dampners have you seen be loose? ... or even move ??... I have seen many a Mopar engine and have only seen ONE dampner "move" ..and it was because the guy soaked it in solvent for a couple of days.

I think a part like this should have a lifetime warranty on it.... unless it was physically damaged.

Posted By: Lefty

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:43 AM

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And this damper has the SFI 18.1 sticker on it.

Isn't that there to make sure the part is "safe"? I wonder what would have happened at the track if it came apart? A little kid was killed recently by stray parts from a Monster truck.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:46 AM

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IMO ....an item like this should never "fail". How many 35 year old PLUS OEM dampners have you seen be loose? ... or even move ??... I have seen many a Mopar engine and have only seen ONE dampner "move" ..and it was because the guy soaked it in solvent for a couple of days.

I think a part like this should have a lifetime warranty on it.... unless it was physically damaged.

X1000

Its a shame people are only after a dollar and a sale..... how many times can this happen over and over from part to part.....

I know some have had good success but just as many havnt....... not worth the gamble to me!

I am happy it worked out for some of you though

If I am selling parts I would make sure it was good before they go out...

thats a shame about the kid dying from the monster truck thing...

Posted By: camdog440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 03:05 AM

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...where are the blocks ???...

~S~

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SO are they going to make the block

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Quote from Brandon at 440Source:

Sorry guys, It's been put on hold for the time being. The factory we were dealing with is used to pouring blocks for major automakers. After we perfected the tooling, they told us there would be a minimum requirement of several thousand blocks, which would require us to put up millions of dollars in investment capitol.

We tried to explain to them that big block Mopars are a "hobby" engine, and no company out there is going to sell these blocks by the thousands. The first shipment alone would have had to be over 3000 blocks. The block "waiting list" which we have been keeping over the last (approx) 2 years has 105 people on it.

Of course we could make the blocks if we doubled the price, but we wanted to keep them around the $1500 level, otherwise, why wouldn't you just go out and buy a World block?

To make a long story short, the consensus is basically that everyone felt it wasnt worth making, at least for the time being. Sorry if this disapoints some people, we have been working really hard on it ourselves, so it really wasn't what we were hoping to hear.

And the comment above about World blocks is correct, they are NOT made in the USA. I'll let you take an educated guess on where they come from.

Posted By: mopardamo

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 03:56 AM

Hello,

My thought is that a 90 day warranty is what you have and you are way way past the warranty. It has been about 19 months since you bought the damper. It is our hobby/passion (so we take it a bit personal) but it is his business. I cannot fault them about this.

Bargain parts are surely not the best but they serve a place in all industries.

I am very glad that you caught the issue.

Damon

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:13 AM

Anyone know what the warranty is on a ATI sfi damper?

Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:14 AM

From the Fluidamper site

Fluidampr products have a 90-day warranty from the date of purchase. This warranty covers manufacturer defects in material and workmanship.

From the ATI website

ATI warrants to the original retail purchaser that all of their products will be free from defects in material and workmanship for a period of 90 days from the date of purchase. ATI will repair or replace, at their option, any part, assembly, or portion, after ATI's examination discloses it to be defective. ATI must be contacted to discuss a possible solution to the problem before the return can be processed. ATI dampers that have been installed are not returnable. Dampers must have their SFI sticker intact. Repairs or problems should be directed to ATI. ATI dampers are honed to fit OEM crankshafts and may not fit aftermarket crankshafts.

TCI only 30 days..

TCI Automotive products are warranted to be free from defects in workmanship and materials for a period of 30 days from the date of purchase on racing equipment, and a period of 90 days from the date of purchase on street/strip equipment. In addition, TCI Automotive will not warrant any of the following: Any product that has been physically altered, improperly installed or maintained, used in improper applications or abused, made defective due to accident, neglect, or unauthorized repair, or if proper cooling and/or fluid levels have not been maintained.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:40 AM

Well their warranty falls in line with the others
.... lacking the TCI

Posted By: 451Mopar

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:44 AM

I don't know of any place that warrenties race parts that you bought from them two years ago?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:55 AM

some years ago we used to deal with a company named "professional products". they make what some like to call "affordable" sfi dampers. one of the dampers we sold had failed. it was way past the warranty date but i made a phone call to the company and got it taken care of for the customer. they supposedly had some sort of problem on the assembly line for a short run but it was found quickly and corrected. they said unfornuately that some managed to slip past Q.C. we looked closely at the damper and realized how poorly constructed they were. at that point we stopped selling that line of products. since that time i've heard of dozens of those things failing. i'm glad we made the decision we did,early on.
i wonder if the problem with your damper is an isolated incident or yet another failure among many?
unfortunately, defects happen all the time in manufacturing. it's easy to get angry with the company that sold the part, but that anger may be misplaced. call the manufacturer and tell them about your problem. it can't hurt.

Posted By: wings471

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:59 AM

I bought a number of parts through Summit Racing in preparation for a future engine build. My thinking was to gather up all the necessary parts in advance so when I started the build, everything would be on hand. One of the parts was a Holley electric fuel pump which I did not install until 5 months after the purchase date. Well whaddya think, new otb the pos leaked between the housing and pump body within seconds of having fuel run through it. That one and 2 more.

Holley my A$$. Anyhow, I'm a little surprised Brandon did not offer some consolation. Maybe he has not heard about the balancer problem, just his employee? Very good fortune you caught it. Let's hear it for Aeromotive fuel pumps

Posted By: 10sec440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:12 AM

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The SFI thing is an interesting issue. I'm sure SFI is very proud of what the rating means, so maybe send it to them for a re-evaluation. I know from getting things UL approved that the parts tested are sometimes not what gets made after a while though the rating stays the same. Things made far away can be more vulnerable, and it can happen without the company knowing it.

I think this hits the nail on the head. SFI has a very high standard to uphold and they might want to know that a product they certified failed in this way. If I were Brandon I'd want the old one back at all costs so SFI doesn't get a hold of it.

Having said that you get what you pay for and I think a balancer is not a place to save money.

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:16 AM

Every product out there has an allowable amount of defects/failures..........I`ve never had a leaky holley fuel pump, broken crank from a bad fluidampr, broken 8 3/4 gears or msd anything. Maybe my lucks about to run out or maybe the q/c folks put down the crack pipe in time.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:21 AM

I bought parts on a build ahead of time also.... my powermaster alternator was shot and i called them and they gave me a exchange free of charge. that is customer service

Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:31 AM

why are you so quick to bash 440 source? let me get this straight...2 years ago, 3,000 miles on what is probably a fairly well built engine making a great deal more HP than it did stock.

and you're complaining because they won't extend their 90 day warranty out to 720 days, just for you, because you think it failed pre-maturely.

...yet their warranty is in line with several other companies.

I wonder what Edelbrock would say if I called them up and said "hey, I bought your heads for my 383 stroker that's making over 500 hp, a year ago, and put 3,000 miles on them since then, and I just dropped a valve. I think you owe me a new head"

what do you think the American compay, with American made parts, is going to say to me?

We are in this hobby to have fun. we spend lots of money to build high HP machines to go play with on the street and at the track. we push these machines to the edge of the envelope, and parts are going to break.

I learned that when I cracked a cylinder wall after 200 miles on a fresh engine build. it sure sucked, but I didn't go blaming any parts manufacturers. For awhile, I felt like the machine shop that did my work was to blame, but maybe not...could have just been a weak spot in the wall.

what'd I do? fixed it, put it all back together, and continued to have fun.

but, maybe that's because I'm not a crusty, grumpy old man.

Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:34 AM

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IMO ....an item like this should never "fail". How many 35 year old PLUS OEM dampners have you seen be loose? ... or even move ??... I have seen many a Mopar engine and have only seen ONE dampner "move" ..and it was because the guy soaked it in solvent for a couple of days.

I think a part like this should have a lifetime warranty on it.... unless it was physically damaged.

but how many "gurus" and books out there, say to NOT use your 35 year old, OEM dampner, on a performance engine build, and to upgrade to something of higher quality?

was this a stock rebuild? stock cam, low compression, exhaust manifolds, etc. or is the compression bumped up, larger cam, headers, better heads, etc?

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:36 AM

I really dont think he is "bashing" 440source..... 440source should look into the problem though..... and it is a needed post stating a balacer issue so people who bought one also double checks theirs

what is the guy suppoesed to say ???

my hakamuchiojosara balancer is crap ???

Posted By: 70Cuda383

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:40 AM

well, that may be, and if that's the case, then I mis-intrepreted the thread title, with the "SURPRISE!" it seemed to reeking of sarcasim.

and the "brandon won't help me at all on this" also adds to why I mis-understood his message, because there was a whole paragraph about how Brandon's customer service is lacking, and how he won't warranty a part thats well beyond it's 90 day period, and then there was just one line at the bottom that said

"oh yea...if you have one, check yours too to make sure it's ok"

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 10:48 AM

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well, that may be, and if that's the case, then I mis-intrepreted the thread title, with the "SURPRISE!" it seemed to reeking of sarcasim.

maybe sarcasism and frustrations....... we all get those sometimes... but i dont think bashing...

everyone please double check your 44source bought balancers if there may be a QC problem please let brandon know..... I hope he is safety conscious and resolves / works with customers to sell a better / safer product ..

a agree with the post above.... balancers should not be a product going cheap on.....

just my opinon but 440source shouldnt sell a part like this at all... budget minded racers should spend the extra coing on a quality proven balancer...

Posted By: The Avg. Valiant

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 12:56 PM

Im not sure this guy is a racer, budget minded yes, racer probably not. He at best is a STREET/strip guy, hence the 3000 miles. It would take me many many years to put 3000 miles on my race car. As for the balancer, ive heard other companies(not just 440source) having problems with balancers. People say they put thing on the "correct" way, businesses say theres no way you did. Its a he said she said kind of thing. Im guessing that the summit, jegs, 440source balancers all come from the same place, they all look the same at least. Im not sure I would go cheap here either, but im not bashing 440source for a part with 3k miles on it. Ive seen "good" rocker arms not make it 10 runs before causing some serious damage on a motor and they werent cheap either. Ive seen "good" engine shops who are sponsors of the site build motors that didnt make it 3 passes. [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] happens, then we move on and rebuild, right?

Posted By: 1968RR

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 02:52 PM

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IMO ....an item like this should never "fail". How many 35 year old PLUS OEM dampners have you seen be loose? ... or even move ??... I have seen many a Mopar engine and have only seen ONE dampner "move" ..and it was because the guy soaked it in solvent for a couple of days.

I think a part like this should have a lifetime warranty on it.... unless it was physically damaged.

but how many "gurus" and books out there, say to NOT use your 35 year old, OEM dampner, on a performance engine build, and to upgrade to something of higher quality?

was this a stock rebuild? stock cam, low compression, exhaust manifolds, etc. or is the compression bumped up, larger cam, headers, better heads, etc?

I've had an OEM damper ring "slip" on a street/strip 383. I didn't notice that it had come loose 'til I put it on my 440.
Admittedly it had seen lots of abuse, but the OEM ones slip too.
That's not going to stop me from using a factory damper when I don't need an SFI one though...

Posted By: DaveRS23

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 03:10 PM

I don't want my posts to come off like a rant or a bash. I am surprised and disappointed. But not so much because they didn't ante up on a replacement damper. But because it failed so quickly and they are not interested in why. Had they of wanted it back for inspection would have gone a long way with me to indicate that they cared about the product. And had they offered some modest amount of help (should they have determined that the damper failed and wasn't damaged by me) would have gone along way toward making this repeat customer feel like I had value.
The lesson here is about quality control and customer value, not extended warrany. While I am not a large volumn customer, 440 Source would have been money ahead with me to have been interested in the reason the part failed and to have written off a small amount of money to keep this repeat customer. That small effort would have bought a good vendor review here for their customer service. But I still would have advised other owners of their dampers to look them over. Dampers are not an item I have ever been inclined to inspect regualarly. And I wouldn't have caught this problem if it wasn't for the rust poping the paint off enough to get my attention.
To be truthful, although the price was attractive, I didn't think this was an inferior piece due primarily to the SFI certification. While I understand the limits of that certification, I guess I thought that it would indicate that the damper was on par with it's more expensive counterparts.

Now, which damper would you recommend to replace this one on my 500" RB that sees about 6,200 max and gets a little street time?

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 03:25 PM

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I don't want my posts to come off like a rant or a bash. I am surprised and disappointed. But not so much because they didn't ante up on a replacement damper. But because it failed so quickly and they are not interested in why. Had they of wanted it back for inspection would have gone a long way with me to indicate that they cared about the product. And had they offered some modest amount of help (should they have determined that the damper failed and wasn't damaged by me) would have gone along way toward making this repeat customer feel like I had value.

thats the way I have been treated EXACTLY! and I fell the same..... cause of this I am no longer a customer....

I am happy some of you it works out for though...

50/50

Posted By: runya

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 03:28 PM

I agrree....there is a difference between a good company selling cheap or affordable parts and a cheap company selling cheap or affordable parts.

One gives you good service and the other "services" you good if you know what I mean.

Posted By: 69sixpackbee

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:04 PM

THAT DOES IT!!!!! From now on I am buying my parts from Harbor Freight!!

Posted By: slippery440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 04:24 PM

DO ME A FAVOR. Call ATI AND TCI and tell them that you have one of their dampers that you bought back 18 months ago and it now no good. Get back to us with their response.If they are willing to replace it,you know where to buy your new damper. What product have you bought recently that has a 18 month warrenty?Most likly 30 days.Seems to me 440 Source is always brought up to be the whipping boy. I remember the rattler damper ruining a few motors back a few years ago.Some of you guys should use the ignor option when a 440 source post is made.

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Posted By: Bill_LBSR

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:07 PM

ATI......companies like ATI and others I have dealt with, if a part failed that quickly, they would work with you to figure out what happened and maybe help you on getting another one.

Posted By: moparmanjames

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:13 PM

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what is the guy suppoesed to say ???

my hakamuchiojosara balancer is crap ???

"You have offended my family and you have offended the Shaolin temple"

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:38 PM

Im sure brandon will chime in and clear this all up....

Posted By: QWK_ENUF

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:45 PM

two sides to every story . i had good service from the source and like someone else posted why does brandon get bashed when his warranty policy is no different from any one elses.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:47 PM

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two sides to every story . i had good service from the source and like someone else posted why does brandon get bashed when his warranty policy is no different from any one elses.

because of his not give a flip attitude, so everyone says

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:48 PM

I personally would eat the cost for a new one if it were me just to keep posts like this from happening.

Posted By: QWK_ENUF

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:49 PM

not everyone says that

Posted By: aarcuda

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:57 PM

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not everyone says that

but believe it or not, many people shy away from places like this after reading about the negative experiences others have had. warn me once and I listen. I know who I would deal wwith if I need my heads cut. And I know who to go to to have a motor buit (and who not to go to). so its typically better to appease the customer and continue to make sales that you would otherwise lose by having negative posts made where tons of people read them. If the piece was a piece of crap, and it flew apart, I dont care what the warranty says. If its bad and you tell me to shove it, im making the same exact post just like this

dont you think 440source is monitoring the post count for how many people have read this post??? there have been 1667 views on this thread so far.
thats a lot of potential money GONE

Posted By: moparniac

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 05:57 PM

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two sides to every story . i had good service from the source and like someone else posted why does brandon get bashed when his warranty policy is no different from any one elses.

re read... its cause he said they acted like they didnt even care etc.......

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:02 PM

what little bit Brandon payed for that balancer could have been positive advertisement and cheap.

Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:02 PM

The guys that think he's just out to bash 440 Source needs to put the shoe on there foot. Im willing to bet if they purchased what they thought was a cheap damper that has some quality to it, and failed, or even worse destroyed the engine, would be singing a note of a diff song.

Moral of this story is
You get what you pay for, and Harmonic dampers although passive in design are not diff.

Posted By: QWK_ENUF

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:05 PM

show me one manufacturer or one place of buisiness that hasn't got an unhappy customer.
i've heard something bad about all of them at one time or another,hell i went to ICH and they were all super nice and helpful and we all hear horror stories about them
i must have been in the twilight zone on that day.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:05 PM

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The guys that think he's just out to bash 440 Source needs to put the shoe on there foot. Im willing to bet if they purchased what they thought was a cheap damper that has some quality to it, and failed, or even worse destroyed the engine, would be singing a note of a diff song.

Moral of this story is
You get what you pay for, and Harmonic dampers although passive in design are not diff.

that why I don't buy cheap crap

Posted By: slippery440

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:12 PM

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two sides to every story . i had good service from the source and like someone else posted why does brandon get bashed when his warranty policy is no different from any one elses.

because of his not give a flip attitude, so everyone says

I have never been treated badly by Brandon.Mabe the reason is that I never bash his products.I had a Problem with rocker arms that I bought from 440 source. I got my money back from Brandon and a new free set from the manufactor. During this whole thing I never posted anything about the problem on here.I went to him man to man and we settled it.Let me tell you he is alot better than Crane---Comp.Cams--- HOLLEY.They told me to pound salt.Aftermarket race parts are not warrentied.Their words not mine.
QuickTree send me a catalog of your products so I can buy from you.But you have to stay inline with 440source prices.That means you can't add 200% markup to a cheap damper so that you can replace one every 18 months.

Posted By: challenger1320

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:14 PM

I personally would eat the cost for a new one if it were me just to keep posts like this from happening.

So what you are saying is anytime I have a part fail even if it is 15 or more months out of warranty just call the manufacturer and threaten to start a bashing post and they should give me a new part. If they do they sure won't be in business very long.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: SURPRISE ! 440 Source damper is crap - 01/23/09 06:14 PM

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two sides to every story . i had good service from the source and like someone else posted why does brandon get bashed when his warranty policy is no different from any one elses.

because of his not give a flip attitude, so everyone says

I have never been treated badly by Brandon.Mabe the reason is that I never bash his products.I had a Problem with rocker arms that I bought from 440 source. I got my money back from Brandon and a new free set from the manufactor. During this whole thing I never posted anything about the problem on here.I went to him man to man and we settled it.Let me tell you he is alot better than Crane---Comp.Cams--- HOLLEY.They told me to pound salt.Aftermarket race parts are not warrentied.Their words not mine.
QuickTree send me a catalog of your products so I can buy from you.But you have to stay inline with 440source prices.That means you can't add 200% markup to a cheap damper so that you can replace one every 18 months.

sorry I don't sell cheap chinese parts