40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!

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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.

there is no more of a resistance in wilwood vs any other brake.....

There is if your a Aerospace dealer trying to push your product...

Um - OK.

Aerospace has fully retractable piston, Wilwood does not. FACT.

Aerospace weighs 14 lbs per side, Wilwood weighs 18 lbs per side. FACT.

Looks are a preference thing. I prefer the all billet of the Aerospace.

Less than $300? Congrats to you - you got a smokin' deal that no one - including a Wilwood dealer could touch for a complete race kit. Summit's price for the comparable kit is $785. My point is that I could have saved you $85 for what amounts to a better performing kit. How am I supposed to know you paid far less than half?

I have sold more than 150 Aerospace kits, I even replaced the rear Wilwoods on my own car with them. Every single customer I have had who used Wilwoods, and my own personal experience, is that they will begin dragging (nowhere near as bad as factory discs mind you). So, IMHO, Wilwoods having some drag is more the norm than the exception.

Now as for your comment of me bashing Wilwood - you are very mistaken. I have NEVER bashed a competitive product and do not believe in that. I was stating the facts (OK - the appearance is subjective). I pride myself on taking the absolute best care of my customers - so please do not call my intentions into question.

Wilwood is a fine brake and will work. But my point to you is that you have access to an Aerospace dealer who would provide you world class service, a pricing deal, on an overall better product. That's all - nothing more. I'm glad you got a great deal - everyone needs to save some money these days.

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 01:09 AM

I would try them if they were not so expensive.

Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 01:19 AM

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I would try them if they were not so expensive.

Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.

which ones are you talking about? page 244 summit mag, wil-140-5255B dana rear brakes- the lightest kit in all of drag racing. $486.95 with out my super class discount

wil-140-2726-B chrysler E body front drag kit $682 with out my discount

Posted By: cudabunch

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 01:24 AM

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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..

BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..

I would try them if they were not so expensive. I have really had no need to change brands though. I could care less which ones look better, it's hard to see them going down the track

Tony if you tried a set of Areospace, you would never own a Wilwood again.Since you use Wilwood,have you ever called them?

Areospace customer service is the best.

PS They do look nicer also with spoked rims

Posted By: Chris2581

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:02 AM

The biggest reason I went with Wilwoods was because the guy at Aerospace in Florida gave me a real hard time about my spindles.He said they had to have them sent to them to match up the brakes correctly.I understood the reason for what he was saying,but I also KNEW what was on my car,and told him so,we've had the car over 30 years,but he didn't want to listen,so Hot Rods USA got my business.

My Wilwoods spin freely.I took a lot of time to ensure that the wheel bearings were adjusted properly and that the calipers were centered over the rotors.I cannot say they spin the same as the Aerospace,as I've never used them.

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:05 AM

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I would try them if they were not so expensive.

Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.

I thought we were comparing front kits.

The Aerospace rear race kit for a Mopar retails for $509, your discounted price from me is $459. And the Aerospace rear brakes are 3lbs per side lighter than the Wilwoods as those are the same Wilwoods I took off my car when I put the Aerospace ones on it.

On the front kit, the part number your provided is for a solid rotor - the Aerospace rotor is cross-drilled. Therefore, apples - oranges. The part number for the Wilwood cross-drilled option is the same one, but with a D added at the end: wil-140-2726-BD - and the price on that is $785.95 - which is what I originally provided.

I'm not knocking Wilwood at all, I just think the Aerospace brakes are better as is the customer service from the manufacturer. That's why I'm a dealer for them. If I thought Wilwood's were better, I would be a dealer for them. I'm not knocking them at all - WWs are a fine brake. This is a very similar debate as to who makes the best torque converter.

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:09 AM

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The biggest reason I went with Wilwoods was because the guy at Aerospace in Florida gave me a real hard time about my spindles.He said they had to have them sent to them to match up the brakes correctly.I understood the reason for what he was saying,but I also KNEW what was on my car,and told him so,we've had the car over 30 years,but he didn't want to listen,so Hot Rods USA got my business.

My Wilwoods spin freely.I took a lot of time to ensure that the wheel bearings were adjusted properly and that the calipers were centered over the rotors.I cannot say they spin the same as the Aerospace,as I've never used them.

Hey Chris - yes they do that, which is a pain. I'm one of, if not the, only dealers that is allowed to not send my customer's spindles in. I generally take my time and do a measurement template to verify what's on the car.

The result of that process is that every Mopar front kit I sell is a custom kit fit to that spindle so OEM variation is removed from the mix.

Personally, I think they should trust guys to know what they have, but they were burned too many times. And I can say that I have had more than one case where a customer told me he had one thing and the measurements proved he had something else. Not often, but it has happened. I absolutely refuse to subject my customers to having to pull their spindles and send them at their expense. I have taken the time to do the template and so far it has worked flawlessly.

Posted By: BB70DUSTER

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:22 AM

No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

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Posted By: Chris2581

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:26 AM

Totally understand and also why they do it that way.But as I posted,I knew what is on my car.I really tried to work with them,but it didn't happen.

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:34 AM

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.

BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:35 AM

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Totally understand and also why they do it that way. But as I posted,I knew what is on my car.I really tried to work with them,but it didn't happen.

Completely agree - I think there needs to be some degree of trust.

Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/16/09 03:58 PM

My entire aerospace front brake kit packaged in the box weighed 28lbs. Several years ago when I bought them though. If a guy was tryin to wring out every last ounce of weight... Uh well I guess there is always carbon fiber

Posted By: @#$%&*!

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 05:20 AM

IMHO, that pedal pump would really suck when bracket racing. When approaching the line I need my brakes ready for action and I want to know where the pedal is. If I have to remember to pump the pedal during the run it's just another way to screw up. Is there any way to minimize the retraction?
Saving weight is great, but the lighter the brakes are the quicker they'll heat up and the sooner they'll fade. There's definitely a trade-off there.

"The reason for the increased pedal travel on the first pump is because they use piston retractors. Some folks are not real comfortable with the pedal travel and I inform all before I suggest them. Some folks just dont like the feel on the first pump and cant get past that."

Posted By: Lil Demon

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 05:59 AM

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IMHO, that pedal pump would really suck when bracket racing. When approaching the line I need my brakes ready for action and I want to know where the pedal is. If I have to remember to pump the pedal during the run it's just another way to screw up. Is there any way to minimize the retraction?
Saving weight is great, but the lighter the brakes are the quicker they'll heat up and the sooner they'll fade. There's definitely a trade-off there.

"The reason for the increased pedal travel on the first pump is because they use piston retractors. Some folks are not real comfortable with the pedal travel and I inform all before I suggest them. Some folks just dont like the feel on the first pump and cant get past that."

You do not have to pump the brakes to slow/stop the car, only to get the full 1100# of braking pressure. When I drive the stripe, I do not pump it and it will nose dive the car in a hurry.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 06:23 AM

I have the aerospace ones on my dart also. Persoanally i hate the pedal pump and because of this will never use them again. I would gladly give up the tiny bit of rolling resistance for piece of mind. Plus i don't like the raw aluminum because on the street they get scurvy looking. I have wilwoods on my outlaw car for all of these reasons. (just giving my opinion)

Posted By: G_bob

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:02 AM

My coronet has aerospace on all for corners and I've never noticed the "pedal pump".

Posted By: BB70DUSTER

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:17 AM

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My coronet has aerospace on all for corners and I've never noticed the "pedal pump".

Hi Glenn, how ya been?

Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:27 AM

With the aerospace I do not pump going down the track and I assure you I can silence the engine at 130mph!!

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:44 AM

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With the aerospace I do not pump going down the track and I assure you I can silence the engine at 130mph!!

Been my experience as well..Some folks are just not comfortable with the amount of pedal travel on the first pump, BUT IT WILL STOP THE CAR..

Posted By: go-fish

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 03:27 PM

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.

BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.

You and Al Alguiere must be trying to lose potential customers for Aerospace.

This fella comes on here in elation that he got a good deal, saved some weight, and improved his brakes from what he had before.

Instead chalking it up as "Lost another one to DiTech" you sarcastically imply that he made a mistake because he didn't spend money with you.

One thing I have learned in my career is it doesn't matter if you are wrong, right, or the other guy is an idiot. It matters not the intent of your words but the how those words are PERCIEVED.

I would gues that most that have viewed the post to give the OP an "at' a boy" and read your post percieved your posts as maybe a little jealous that he didn't call you. Maybe it was just that you passionately feel your brakes are better but after someone buys another product you're not going make him want to take his new brakes off, sell them, and buy a product from you to save a minimal amount of weight.

There are some vendors on here that would be happy no matter what product a guy used as long as he was happy and just continue to contribute to Moparts and try to get business from folks who are still in the market for your product.

I don't know if it is the economy that is making vendors across the country hungry but I hope the Perception of high pressure salesmen doesn't become a norm.

lil Demon, you can't get mad all day long at my post but remember, it is how others percieved your first posts. It doesn't matter even if most people understood you it doesn't matter. What if 1 potential customer read you wrong (or right.

Just be happy for the guy. It shouldn't take 2 pages of discussion about who's product is better to congratulate him on his good deal he got.

Posted By: thecarfarmer

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 04:06 PM

40 pounds divided by $30.00 = $7.50/lb. That's unsprung weight, off the front of the car, no less.

Pimp move!

-bill

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 04:11 PM

I did?!? My first response and subsequent ones were about the comments on brake drag that someone else brought up. I was only trying to set the record straight about the comments made as pertaining to drag. I thought I also stated that I have installed many aftermarket brake kits and we put on a number of Wilwood kits, in fact the last one I installed was a Wilwood kit on an Escalade.

The economy has nothing to do with it. I see erroneous information on here all the time and usually just bite my tongue, as the info usually gets corrected eventually. SO I take the time to respond to try and let folks know the correct info and you bash me for doing it? I have been around here since the beginning, used to be folks could read info on here and not try to attach a hidden meaning to the post. Anymore it seems if someone tries to inject any TECHNICAL info on here they are seen as bashing. No wonder the amount of real hard core tech stuff has diminished so much over the years. I do agree that on occasion vendors do pimp their stuff a bit more than maybe they should but not my call on that. Just do my best to try and ad correct info on here when I can. Maybe I need a long break from this place as well....

I dont care who they come from as I dont sell any kits. I only install them, mostly on Mustangs, Imports and Trucks as they are my customer base. As far as recommending them, yes I recommend Aerospace stuff alot, but we also suggest Wilwood, Baer and SSBC, and Ford Motorsports depending on the application.

Posted By: go-fish

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 04:40 PM

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I did?!? My first response and subsequent ones were about the comments on brake drag that someone else brought up. I was only trying to set the record straight about the comments made as pertaining to drag. I thought I also stated that I have installed many aftermarket brake kits and we put on a number of Wilwood kits, in fact the last one I installed was a Wilwood kit on an Escalade.

The economy has nothing to do with it. I see erroneous information on here all the time and usually just bite my tongue, as the info usually gets corrected eventually. SO I take the time to respond to try and let folks know the correct info and you bash me for doing it? I have been around here since the beginning, used to be folks could read info on here and not try to attach a hidden meaning to the post. Anymore it seems if someone tries to inject any TECHNICAL info on here they are seen as bashing. No wonder the amount of real hard core tech stuff has diminished so much over the years. I do agree that on occasion vendors do pimp their stuff a bit more than maybe they should but not my call on that. Just do my best to try and ad correct info on here when I can. Maybe I need a long break from this place as well....

I dont care who they come from as I dont sell any kits. I only install them, mostly on Mustangs, Imports and Trucks as they are my customer base. As far as recommending them, yes I recommend Aerospace stuff alot, but we also suggest Wilwood, Baer and SSBC, and Ford Motorsports depending on the application.

I'm not trying to get anyones blood pressure up but just wanted to put up a note that this guy already bought a product. After the fact salesman-ship doesn't do anybody any good.
What I saw was on the verge of telling this guy his stuff was inferior and he shouldn't have bought it.
Whether that was the intent or not it was sounding like it was implied.
It would be more beneficial to say, "Great buy, if you're ever in the market for something else, remember Aerospace".
Instead in true Moparts fashion, this congratulatory thread gets turned into a debate of "he bought junk, it's heavier by 3.7 lbs, you have to keep them clean,..... Shoulda bought product X."

In the end, better than stock, good deal, and they look good.

Posted By: BB70DUSTER

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 05:05 PM

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40 pounds divided by $300.00 = $7.50/lb. That's unsprung weight, off the front of the car, no less.

Pimp move!

-bill

This was my point of the post... Thank you...

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 05:43 PM

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.

BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.

You and Al Alguiere must be trying to lose potential customers for Aerospace.

This fella comes on here in elation that he got a good deal, saved some weight, and improved his brakes from what he had before.

Instead chalking it up as "Lost another one to DiTech" you sarcastically imply that he made a mistake because he didn't spend money with you.

One thing I have learned in my career is it doesn't matter if you are wrong, right, or the other guy is an idiot. It matters not the intent of your words but the how those words are PERCIEVED.

I would gues that most that have viewed the post to give the OP an "at' a boy" and read your post percieved your posts as maybe a little jealous that he didn't call you. Maybe it was just that you passionately feel your brakes are better but after someone buys another product you're not going make him want to take his new brakes off, sell them, and buy a product from you to save a minimal amount of weight.

There are some vendors on here that would be happy no matter what product a guy used as long as he was happy and just continue to contribute to Moparts and try to get business from folks who are still in the market for your product.

I don't know if it is the economy that is making vendors across the country hungry but I hope the Perception of high pressure salesmen doesn't become a norm.

lil Demon, you can't get mad all day long at my post but remember, it is how others percieved your first posts. It doesn't matter even if most people understood you it doesn't matter. What if 1 potential customer read you wrong (or right.

Just be happy for the guy. It shouldn't take 2 pages of discussion about who's product is better to congratulate him on his good deal he got.

I don't see it like that at all. I don't think lildemon nor Al did anything wrong. they simply stated their case and what they believe. both sides of any topic should be talked about even if it doesn't help the original poster. people are smart enough to look at both sides and decide for them selves.

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 06:14 PM

I love my WILWOODS and am on the same original set of pads after 8+ years..........they drag a little but not enuff to worry about in my opinion. Both products are good so wadda ya say we have a cold

and call it good.

Posted By: Scamp408

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 06:57 PM

Why dont we make a list of pros and con of both products and put it in the tech archive.I am interested in new frt brks but I am so confused now.

piston retractors,paint /non paint,dust seal/non dust seal ,pedal pump ugg.

Posted By: BB70DUSTER

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:18 PM

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Why dont we make a list of pros and con of both products and put it in the tech archive.I am interested in new frt brks but I am so confused now. piston retractors,paint /non paint,dust seal/non dust seal ,pedal pump ugg.

Im Completely satisfied with everything about my Wilwoods... used Wilwoods for years without problems... and I got them cheap... Ive used Aerospace as well they were good too...

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 07:21 PM

sounds like a real good way of loosing weight of the front of the car

and for a reasonable price also

two questions
are they any better att acutaly stoping the car?`

how about replacement pads for these brakes are they the same spec as some kind of stock pads to make it easy to get replacement when needed?
just trying to learn alitle

Posted By: BB70DUSTER

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/17/09 08:05 PM

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sounds like a real good way of loosing weight of the front of the car and for a reasonable price also

two questions
are they any better att acutaly stoping the car?`

how about replacement pads for these brakes are they the same spec as some kind of stock pads to make it easy to get replacement when needed?
just trying to learn alitle

The addition of the rears made it stop better... fronts didnt seem to make a difference... Pads are same front to rear, and are Wilwood specific, but easy to get from summit or any speed shop...

Posted By: Chris2581

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/18/09 06:50 AM

I had the stock 10" drum brakes on the front.On one of the short 1/8th mile tracks,I had a hell of a time stopping,and at Gainesville,I was standing on the brakes to make the 1st turn off.With the Wilwoods,I have no problems stopping the car,so they made a big difference in stopping power.

Posted By: justinp61

Re: 40 lbs. off the front of my car!!! - 01/18/09 02:40 PM

My Dart has Wilwoods with the internal parking brake on the rear and a set of factory 73 disk on hte front. My car stops great, it feel like it sits down when I am hard on the brakes.

I think instead of spending $700 on brakes. I'll spend it on a billet steel drum for my 727 and keep my feet and toes the way they came from the factory

40 lbs. off the front of my car!!!