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i was looking at the 275 radial duster build a guy is doing and he has cal tracs and he has rear spring sliders on the back end of his rear springs. was wanting to know how much this helps the car to hook ?????

anyone at all who can tell me what they do

How come you went with a 4.25" bore? For the extra beef in the cylinder walls?

yes when i decided to build this motor my priority was not max hp but make it as indestructible as possible for the street and strip and reliable. instead of custom headers i have used stock cast iron log manifolds with v bands welded on. when i get the motor back i will take pics soon and post.

well we got back from lights out 6 in georgia and checked out jason digbys dart and man i got some suspension work i need to do! i was enlightened about the sliders and anti roll bar for my rear end i will be adding jason and his guys were great at explaining how it all works and they were super cool guys we hung out with them for about an hour talking about what i need to do very nice guys.

Nice car. You might want to check valve to cylinder wall clearance W/ that small of a bore, especially if the block has little chamfer. Some bore notching might be in order....

got the motor back after dyno

Very nice project. What engine parts are in the Walmart boxes? Just joking! Good luck with the project.

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valley plate mod i thought was cool

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oh ya my first turbo pt94 CEA

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I have never built a turbo car, but I really want to. Having said that, how will the engine be mounted? I would think mounting the turbo to the frame rail could cause problems if the engine moves at all (ie torquing out). I'm sure you have already thought that through; just wondering. Looks like a clean implementation so far. Will you be using an intercooler?

what brand of rocker arms are you using

well this new turbo is way bigger than the borge warner so we will test fit motor and trans next week and test fit turbo and look into how best to mount it. for motor mounts i have solid mounts but now i am going to plate the motor but test fitting with t400 trans i bet i will have to modify trans tunnel. the rockers are T&D 1.6 with smith brothers push rods

it will be an air to water inter cooler

How do you determine what size turbo to use? I assume you have a power level in mind. Is there a cross reference of some sort between size of turbo and power level?

if you are doing like me a single turbo 440 inch at the minimum go with an 88 mil
383 or 400 the same. i have 8.32 comp i should have done 10.0 comp i am learning from gino who i got the turbo from he is a grudge racer who really knows his [censored] about turbo cars and he is a dealer for precision turbos.

anyone used a boost leash boost control unit

I run the AMS 1000 boost controller. It's a C02 system.

how do you like it

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i love the new ride height

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the next phase of the project is putting the dart on a jig and making it a strut front end with will start after christmas

BOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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AWESOME car !!!!

Very cool build!

thanks i am having a blast now that i am this far into build

well its been a while since my last update nothing has changed on the car itself accept i have gotten my my new trans wich is a rossler case / bell housing and roller tail from proformance transmission it is a 2 speed t-400 which is good to 2000 hp so i think I'm covered now on a stout trans. we have decided it will work much better to do a strut front end so i had to order a set of strange gt-alumin front strut and brake kit wich i have taken up to chicago to fast forward race cars. the dart is on the chassis jig but will not be touched until race season is over wich gives me a little more time to gather all the ss pieces for the headers. now for my rant on this i was planning on taking to lights out in G.A but they have cancelled the leaf spring race due to not enough entries which pisses me off. i know their are other events but this is the event we go to every year so I'm butt hurt about this thats all. i will post new pics when things get rolling you will like them for sure and so will i seeing it get finished and coming back home.

updates are good! keep plugging away at it... hopefully you'll find an arena in which to play

Love the build, I agree it sucks to hear of they ended the leaf spring class, I had real interest in it too

Very nice.

new stuff and work done
lets see if i can post pics

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How long are the struts

if i remember correct they are 16 inch i remember we had 2.5 inch talen off the length

okay i figured out how to crop pics to fit here update as of last monday. as you can see frame rails have been cleaned up and are the factory rails full length he is back on it full bore. i will be going back up in a few weeks when it should be a true roller with motor and trans mounted with hot side done.

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just got back fro chicago we have alot of work done im very happy

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oh ya the menscers shocks for the rear

looks great, Paul.

fixed....this is easier than holding the monitor sideways

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jughead you are now my pic guy thanks

What are the expectations here? IMO you better invest in some top notch safety gear and bring a set of Huggies for the first shots 'cause this thing gonna go like a bullet!

Sweet Build

expetations are in the 5s when all dialed in and tuned this is my goal but a 4.99 would be great in the 1/8. i should have this running 2018 and since i have never run a car with t-brake and a turbo and e.f.i i will be in learning mode all summer i believe. so i will be on 6psi boost to start and yes i will be wearing HUGGIES to start with BUHAHAHAHA. this has been an 8 year project so no seat time since i started so i will be in for a hell of a learning curve for a while. i am waiting to see were aron at fast forward race cars decides to put the 94 mill precision turbo i still will have a few months of assembly when i get it home sometime around christmass.

It looks to be a sweet build and you are doing it right. Just remember it's just a car, albeit a really fast car, leave your emotions in the trailer and use your head. You will be fine. You will love letting go of the button! Remember, it's just a switch, not a brake! When I first started and although I've never been faster than about 5.80, I got all geared up, belts and everything, and sat in the car and practiced the burnout routine and the staging/launch routine. For the most part I didn't want to go to the track and look like an idiot and it worked! I still sit in the car in the staging lanes and practice letting go of the button on the practice/delay box feature. And I still look like an idiot sometimes...

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Where the pics taken from an Apple device?

yes my I phone

throttle body inside

nice fab work for intake

tight fit on turbo and grill

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has anyone had good or bad results with a magnafuel pump for a boosted app

I have a friend that has been running a magnafuel electric pump in a street application for about 4 years without issue. Car has 16 injector set up. Makes just under 1000 hp before seeing a fuel pressure drop. He is switching to a mechanical driven pump this year along with a switch from pump gas to e85. Wants to turn it up some!

I changed my fuel setup in my Valiant with the new combo and now I'm running a magnafuel 750 I'm hoping to finally start the car up this weekend and will report back to you my findings.
10 an feed and return with 8an to the carb is what I'm running for e85 and looking for 1000rwhp

now are you guys boosted or N.A my dart is in chicago at fast forward race cars and Aaron is talking about a weldon pump.

I'm running the pro tuner 750 magnafuel rates it at 2000hp from what I've read on the net its safely good for 1500hp in a boosted application.
I'm running twins on a e85 blow thru setup

I've heard good things about some of the Weldon pumps also.

I haven’t messed with weldon pumps for a loooong time. They are all overpriced, and most of the automotive race pumps were not rated for continuous duty. The aircraft pumps are priced accordingly... Now understand, I haven’t even looked at a weldon pump since the 1990s! Things could have changed.
Yes we are boosted. Base pressure is set at 50 psi, plus (so far) 13 psi topped on that with boost.
This on E10 gasoline.

I really like the build, and I hate to be critical on such a nice build, but I really think you should re think the solid manifold to firewall connection. Something is going to fail there.

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i asked that question and he told me no problem i trust his work i have seen pretty much the fastest guys around here use him for fab as you can see he does great work. the thing that got me was the throttle body in the interior ive never seen that before.

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okay i think moparts made this alot easier since the last time i tried but i think my pics will be upside down again

the dart is done at FAST FORWARD RACE CARS it turned out perfect better than what i expected here are the up to date pics i took a cool video of them firing it up but you will have to go to their facebook to watch

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Wow, very nice!

What oil pan are you running?

Thanks,
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it was a 440source 8 quart pan then when he did the suspension it was 3 inches from the ground so i tried to order a moroso short drag pan but it was on back order for months so i had him cut it and make one that would fit what we needed. by the way i have a ton of brand new parts for an A body and universal parts if u know anyone who is doing one

the dash turned out very nice

Looks good, Paul. Can't wait to see it in person. Any updated side shots of the entire car?. I would like to see how it sits.

Strange that there has been very little reaction from Moparts members....they seem far more interested in a blown Chevy motor dyno pull video.

Let me know if you need a FAST tuner for that XFI. It's what I do...LOL

hey Rich i talked to you a couple days ago remember my car is in chicago and you could do the tune at my house online

hey jughead no new full body shots we are getting it sat so i will take pics outside it is in the back of the shop until i go get it. i will post pics of giving birth to her she will be going home naked no fenders hood or trunk lid we will be rolling down I-80 from chitown naked i just hope it doe's not rain if it does i will have to figure out how to get a car cover to stay on at 70 mph on an open trailer BUHAHAHAHA its going to be interesting

Lots of hard work put into that car why chance it ,see if you can borrow an in close trailer.

thats funny i have let a bunch of guys know well in advance and everyone says they have one BUT they have every excuse why they cant help or u cant use it wich it is theirs so i dont blame them. i remember a time when u would bend over backwards to help someone u knew that u knew needed your help for a job like this and yes they all know i would pay for everything gas food but that is the world today. it will be fine i will make it happen no matter what the weather is.

Very true …...sad world we living in now ……….Good Luck with it

well waether held up on friday and she is home safe and sound. drove it off the trailer and into garage this thing can turn a lot tighter than i thought it would but the tune you have to double peddle i will call rich from Cali this week and get a garage tune from him so i can putt putt around a little bit with a nice idle. then next spring get a real tune put in it. next thing after the garage tune will be a wrap my paint job did not turn out as good as i like.

Pic....Pic.....Pic......and a video of it moving under it's own power.

sorry it wont let me but i will post some pics soon i am getting a garage tune by Rich from c California monday so i will have some more body panels on and we can see her in full glory i hope.

sorry no new pics but we have learned fast xfi 2.0 did not like 190 lbs injectors so we are dropping down to around 100 lbs inj so we can get it to idle below 1400 rpm Rich has been great to work with we have learned a lot on how this stuff works if u are going to try this i 100% recomend Rich here on the board to do it. if you are like us and have no idea about tuning this stuff he is the man period.

heck yeah the hard work started to pay off !!

hope everyone had a great CHRISTMAS now that is over i can get the injectors ordered and get this thing ready for NAT'S 2020

going to a Hub Dyno this thursday to get everything set it will have 2 tunes one for shell 93 for driving around town and a C16 tune for racing i am looking forward to finally be able to see what this little monster can make power wise and then a trip to Cordova Dragway if they open this year.

Paul, congrats on the dyno session. Those were some very impressive horsepower and torque numbers. Thanks for the invitation.. I'm glad I got to see it, hear it, and record it all.
Your Dart is bada$$. Great job.

Well, how did she do? Sounds like a successful session.

What is a "hub" dyno?

This.... Attaches directly to axles. No tire slippage. Can support up 6000 horsepower.

Paul's car looks good on it, doesn't it?

okay i cant do a better pic then that
here is the setup 120lbs holley inj on pump gas shell 93oct 1st pull 4 lbs boost 440 hp - 2nd 6 lbs boost 550 hp - 3rd 8 lbs boost 650 hp - 4th 12 lbs 800 hp and 788 TQ
race gas C16 VP 1st 15 lbs boost 923 hp 954 TQ - 2nd 17 lbs boost 996 hp - 3rd 19 lbs 1050 - 4th 22 lbs 1096 hp and 1112 TQ then we ran out of injector they were at 80% duty cycle all in all a great day.

i cant post a video here but i posted on my face book Paul Swigart nice video of the last race gas pull turn up the volume and enjoy u will have to scroll down a little

Those are excellent results
Your motor really responded well to the changes
You got me thinking about a Procharger now, DANG IT
I'm under the impression that the EFI injectors should be good to 99.8 % duty cycle and still be safe, yes or no?

Injectors get unpredictable above 85% duty cycle. Pintles start acting like a valve trane in float.

Final pull.....

https://youtu.be/zR9zHoFswd4

That is good to know, thanks

i just got back from front end alignment being done and wow what a diff in driving it i am now ready for the track if they open this year?

Thanks for the link

Wonder how long it takes to shim the attachment of the dyno to the axles?

I think those dyne heads are on tracks and slide to and from the vehicle. The hub dynos sure have some advantages. No hole in the ground, no slippage, no tire worries.

Looks like a slick deal. Just not sure how the car is aligned exactly square between them.

My mind must be making it more difficult than it really is

they slide in and out so all i had to do was back into the area between them and then they jacked it up removed the rear wheels and pushed it into the spot on the floor jack it was easy.

Not sure how i missed so much of this thread!! Impressive results, hope to see car at Cordova sometime soon.

as soon as it is open on friday night i will be their im hoping next friday just got new seat belt so im ready.

Couple weeks ago we went to Union Grove and TnT on a Thursday night. track was prepped decent could of got 20+ runs ( we did 8) to busy check out cars and letting ours cool down. Think longest we waited in staging lanes was 5 minutes. So if you want lot of test runs might be worth the drive. Last year at Cordova we only made it out twice on friday night got 3 runs first trip and 2 the second. Sure miss when Cordova had Thursday night test sessions.

Do you know what the IAT was at 1000 HP?

sorry but what is IAT im new to turbo and boost so not sure what that is

Intake Air Temperature I believe

Manifold inlet temps. may be used in some circles to talk about on this subject

ah that makes sense now and no i do not know what it was.

FINALLY MADE IT TO THE TRACK got 3 passes in to get used to it and yes i was very happy after a messed up 1st pass. okay so 1st pass i go up get in the burnout box do the line lock and it pushes through the bow and im like okay move up to stage get the bulbs trans brake on pedal to the floor let go of the button and boom flat on its face no boost it was like driving my mini van 8.88 at 88 mph 1/8 mile. go to pit trying to figure out what the hell is wrong so we let it cool down drive over to a spot to test the trans brake i push the button and it pops right into high gear at 2100 rpm so we go find matt from redline performance who tuned the car and he ask what the shift point was set at and i told him it was suppose to be 6000rpm well it was still at factory setting of 2100 rpm so he changes it. now 2nd pass 4lbs boost it does a burnout this time hit the bulbs and bam it leaves like it should. 1.77 60 foot 7.52 1/8 mile at 96.3 im happy now everything works but i needed more. so i decided to go with 8lbs boost on my ams 2000 controler wich is number 2 on my selector on my dash. at 8 lbs of boost it makes 650 hp at the axle hub so i go up do the motions hit the bulbs and BAM this thing leaves real good 60 foot 1.64 6.76 1/8 mile at 105.6 mph. i was very very happy it was super hot sat at Cordova but it hooked and ran straight with no leaks or issues i could have ran more but it was hoy as hell. i will be at this level for the rest of the summer for seat time i feel good with the launch getting used to it but i can go to the next level wich is 800hp still on shell 93 pump gas. Before i change to C16 wich i will do after Mopar National's for Aaron to race it and get the Suspension lined out but at this level that im running it has been perfect so far.

You can't find a better guy than Matt and man does he know what to fix.

1000% true great guy and his buddy who's name i forgot take care of customers for sure im just glad they were their. me and graham would have had no idea how to fix it i left my laptop at home all i wanted was a few passes to play with the car and get a feel for it.

Matt knows more about my car than I do even thou he's never seen it! LOL

BUHAHAHAHAHA

That is one sweet build you have there, and you gotta be happy with the first outing.

You should be REALLY proud of yourself for having the wisdom to get some seat time before turning it up.

That thing is going to fly once you get comfortable in it, and start turning up the wick.

buddy it has been since 03 when i had my Cuda that i had a fast car. i may be a little crazy every now and then but turning this thing up with no seat time i would probably get killed wrecking the car. level 2 that im on know felt real good so im going to stay here for a while until it feels like normal then i will bump up to 12 lbs i would love to get a 5.99 before this year is over and i think i can as the driver but probably nothing more than that until next year.

MOPAR NAT'S BOUND got my registration mailed today i look forward to meeting all of you guys their if your going. it looks like right now its just me from IOWA in the dart and JIMMY and JR from knoxville TENN in their nasty dart cruising heath and brice and the nat's and i here something goe's on at buckeye lake. none of us have been to NAT'S in 4 years my plan is to cruise around naked (no hood ) depending on weather.

You remember talking smack to me ?

Ha ha ha.

where when and how much did i drink before we were talking trash LMAO

Its all good.

Nice build. Its been fun watching it come together.

Keep taking it to the track. Post up some slips.

so its been so long since i have worked with Alumi parts i stripped my drain plug on the trans pan after 3 times of changing the Hyd 303 fluid to flush out the trans system. and let me tell u the dip stick tube that the fluid goe's in is about the size of a pencil so it takes 3 hours to get 4 quarts in.

Nice shakedown runs!

funny you say this I just stripped out the drain plug on my oil pan,i'll be watching this for the fix

how thick is the pan casting ?
does it have a dedicated thick bung for the plug ?
is there enough material to tap to the next oversize thread ?

just dropped pan off at tinworks and he is going to drill and tap it with a new plug. the trans is a Proformance 2 sp T400 with a Reid Case and Bell Housing it is a very nice piece and thick and it is SFI everything so no shield required wich is nice.

Had a good weekend at cordova dragway met some cool guys from moparts and got 4 passes in first pass was a clean pass. left on transbrake 4lbs of boost and went to 8lbs 1.52 60ft - 6.434 at the 1/8th at 109.9. next pass was i was going to 12lbs but driver error on my part bigtime then the night was over so i decided to go back sat for another try. so i got their sat made a clean pass but i did not stage proper so i did not get a time slip. so now i had to wait 2 hours last pass T/B leave 4lbs go to 12 lbs boost 1.52 60 foot - 6.21 1/8 mile at 115.74. the funny thing is i want to read the data but i have no idea how to get to it RACE PAC or my FAST E.F.I system BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If anyone who was there has any photo's please post i would love to see them.

no pics but i have upgraded from the F.A.S.T EFI to the Holly Dominator System and so far i am impressed withe ease and how simple it was to install and mess around in the tune looking at everything. i also changed from Race Pack to the Holly 12.3 PRO Dash this thing is wild as hell. i will post some pics soon.

Not sure if i commented on this car yet but, NICE JOB! Looking forward to your progress.

thanks HardcoreB just got a date for the hub dyno with Matt Bell for june 17th. I WILL MAKE IT TO THE NATS !!!!!!!!! this year i hope BUHAHAHAHAHAHA

When Matt gets done it'll be wide awake.

But be careful when Matt gets done tuning an engine there's usually a cost. The need to upgrade to better shocks, tires,suspension,transmission,rear end. ect. Lol

IT'S DONE here we go i went to 25 lbs boost 1221 hp and 1200 tq now i can do more boost but i think this is enough to do anything i want to do. it has a pump gas tune and a race gas tune the pump gas goe's to 12 lbs boost at 800 axle HP and the race gas C-16 is 1221 HP axle i was told add 20% for crank HP . It will be at mopar nats this august and i cant wait to CRUISE BRICE AND HEATH see you guys their.

Please get video for the one's can't make it.

It looked like you ran the edelbrock pro flo fuel rails. These are -6AN size from the factory did you have to enlarge them for your HP level?

Great looking build, and great looking car.

I'm sure it feels really good to finally have it out and running. It's really going to fly once you get it sorted out.

I don't know what your car weighs... but your car on 12psi runs the same as mine does with 23psi!!! LOL You are making some GOOD power for sure!

i will try to get video for u and as far as fuel rails big lines from the fuel pump to the rails and use a reducer thats it.

well Mopar National's was a blast we had 2 issues this weekend over heating and a bad cell in the Bat wich i fixed with a new one. i met alot of cool people just asking questions about the dart and i took a couple of guys for cruise laps in Heath. so all in all it was a great shake down of the car to see what problems i will have after driving it as far as i did and as hot as it was thursday and friday.. Saturday was the best day we left the hood off all day and night since their was no rain and the temp was only low 80's and we went from the track back to heath then down and around Buckeye lake and then back to Heath to the show acroos from the dealership .

I GOT THE COVER OF MOPAR ACTION MAG FOR APRIL 2022 in your mag rack now!!!!!!! so i would say the trip to the NAT'S was a huge win.

Congrats! What an awesome car, I'll have to look for the magazine.

Congrats! I'll look for the magazine.

Congrats!!

Getting the bugs worked out of the dart 1. overheating with 2 small rads on the street 2. low charging with everything on for night driving i did 2 things one was put a dash 6 bung on top of the driver side rad to let air out to equalize the water and wrap all the hot side pipe with heat wrap and it worked i was cooking the rads it took 3 2 inch wide rolls to cover from headers to turbo and from the turbo to the struts. this worked my temps dont get over 140 driving around town and making some blast on the interstate driving for about 30 minutes non stop at 85 degree with high humidity. 2. electrical i have a 100 amp alt wich i am upgrading to a 150 amp this weekend wich should solve the problem after that i need to get some 30 inch tall tires so i can drive on the highway faster than 40 mph. other than that it runs perfect now i will need to get to the track and make 7 lbs boost trans brake launches this fall to get me into the 5's in the 1/8 on pump gas at 12 lbs of total boost i hope well thats the plan.

It;'s been a while sense i 'v seen an update on this car had to go back to the first page to get a look at what car,Good with keep us updated

Thing is so awesome! I love the front suspension/K member. Keep up updated with progress!