Magnum force suspension wtf!

Posted By: sshemi

Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 11:50 AM

What a piece of f!!!!!ing crap!
Binds everywhere, not enough travel, cant turn the wheels enough as the r&p joints hits the lower control arms! But lets say you launch the car so susp raises then need to turn the wheels alot the joints can pass the control arms but then the control arm cant go back because the rack is in the way. That would cause the steering to lock and one side suspension lock. This is freakin dangerous!!!

It was on a car i bought and when i installed the wheels they are so far out the tires WILL hit the fenders. So i started to look deeper into it and found all this crap.
I will put up some pics so you can see what i mean.
I will also contact the a$$holes and see what they say.

Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 01:03 PM

I had one in my car for about 6 months. I had the same issues with the track width being wider than stock as well as the ride height. I was not happy with the K-frame.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 01:38 PM

Im so glad i found this out before taking it to the track!
Its a serious accident waiting to happen!
I feel like charging them for murder attempt!

Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 03:12 PM

Bob'sProFab...

Posted By: dthemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 03:15 PM

At least someone was able to bolt it to the frame lol.

The best one out there I've had personal experience with is AlterK by Reilly motorsports. I've been 172 with one and it was arrow straight. easy, and perfect to install, no bump steer even with only .060 toe, and butter to steer. On launch, I never felt the tires leave the ground, nor felt them return. Smooth, nothing like what it felt like before.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 04:57 PM

Pic

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 04:58 PM

2 if i lift the front end the joint can pass the control arm.

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Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 05:01 PM

But ofcourse it wont be able to return with the shaft in the way. Disaster!

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Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 05:02 PM

Why i started to look over things.

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Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 05:03 PM

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 05:11 PM

Yeah those tires are way out there.. also the knuckle
on the rack looks to be at the end of its travel(angle)
right now... that thing does have some issues.. plus
the tie rod is either bent or its just a piece of
tube just to mock up the tie rod

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 05:18 PM

Its bent:-(

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 11:25 PM

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Its bent:-(

What a mess , it looks like the lower A arm is also bent ?

It appears to me that the rack should have been set up either up higher so the tirod passed above it , but then on full suspenison compression it would have hit the rack , or been a lot further forward ... or BOTH ????

What a poor design .

Posted By: redmist

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/16/14 11:51 PM

Is that tie rod cut and welded??

A whole lota What the heck going on with that whole car.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:13 AM

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Its bent:-(

What a mess , it looks like the lower A arm is also bent ?

It appears to me that the rack should have been set up either up higher so the tirod passed above it , but then on full suspenison compression it would have hit the rack , or been a lot further forward ... or BOTH ????

What a poor design .

A arms are like that from mf.
If i could lower the r&p it would clear. But it would need to be a fair amount witch is not possible without redoing the k member.
Looks like if i switch sides on a arms and turn them upside down it would clear the steering. But i would need to weld in new shock mounts and realign the lower balljoint.
I feel like maybe its not worth messing with a crappy piece like this. Maybe if i get it running welds starts to break...

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:29 AM

I wonder if that rack is not what came in the kit?

Posted By: charger410

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:36 AM

There's something not right for sure. I have a mf and don't have any of the issues your clearly having. I'm at work at the moment but I'll have more of a look when I get off. Here's pic of mine

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Posted By: charger410

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:45 AM

Sorry that was a bad pic

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Posted By: charger410

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:51 AM

Tyres

Posted By: chryco

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 12:53 AM

Definitely something wrong there. My M/F frontend doesn`t look anything like that. And mine is 10 years old. Somebody`s been modifyin`. Think I`d pull that one out!

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 01:45 AM

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Tyres

Bad azz lookin car you have there...............

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 02:16 AM

Wonder if its a B/E body rack.

Posted By: Bigcube

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 02:52 AM

There has been a few revisions of it over the years. I had one of the first in 2001. On mine the inner socket rubbed the control arm enough that it wore a hole in the boot.

It pushed the tires out far enough that when I was backing it out of the garage after getting it aligned the first time, the tire tread caught the fender lip and peeled it out.

Here is how low it sat for the few months I had it in my car.

Posted By: Dustedu

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 04:21 AM

Couldn't find anything we were happy with so with Laverne's help we built our own tubular k member, actually have 3 cars running this one now

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 09:50 AM

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Couldn't find anything we were happy with so with Laverne's help we built our own tubular k member, actually have 3 cars running this one now

That looks nice and i sure would like to replace the whole thing but this is an expence i didnt expect so im not sure i can afford a new suspension...

Posted By: Leon441

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 02:28 PM

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Couldn't find anything we were happy with so with Laverne's help we built our own tubular k member, actually have 3 cars running this one now
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Looks fairly nice

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 04:56 PM

This is what I use.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 04:58 PM

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This is what I use.

Whos is that?

Posted By: clonestocker

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 05:57 PM

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This is what I use.

Whos is that?

He's backed up.

The list is long and distinguished. Brad

{please don't post that picture for a few months. sorry couldn't resist.

thx

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 06:05 PM

^^^^^ That's a beefy sob.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 06:42 PM

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^^^^^ That's a beefy sob.

It's all chromoly and I lost 45 lbs using the same brakes. But yes is very strong.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 07:19 PM

With lower control arms and steering arms

Posted By: b1dartsport

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 08:06 PM

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With lower control arms and steering arms

Brad, did Tory get his business back on track? I would like to order one of those bad boys!

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 08:42 PM

I'm thinking: HACK car builder WTF?? If the rest of that car is like the front suspension, you have more issues than what you want to blame MF for.

You got the car home without front wheels???

Send the pics to MF and get their input. Should be interesting.

Posted By: charger410

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 10:52 PM

I concur, from the pic's looks like you could change the control arms but would ring MF for there input.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 11:21 PM

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I'm thinking: HACK car builder WTF?? If the rest of that car is like the front suspension, you have more issues than what you want to blame MF for.

You got the car home without front wheels???

Send the pics to MF and get their input. Should be interesting.

The rest of the car was like that! I have redone almost everything on it.
The front suspension was the only part i didnt expect would need work.
No it didnt come without wheels! Must have been different backspacing.
I have emailed them the pics but they havnt answered!

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 11:38 PM

Btw this is the car...

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Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/17/14 11:39 PM

Nother

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 12:31 AM

Handshaker, nice!

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 04:31 AM

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With lower control arms and steering arms

Brad, did Tory get his business back on track? I would like to order one of those bad boys!

He is supposed to be ready at the first of the year, to make some more front ends. I hope he does as it is a battle tested and quality piece. I will let you guys know.

Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 08:29 AM

My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

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Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 08:38 AM

I have no complaints about my Comp Chassis piece.... and it doesn't have those gawd awful rails protruding into the engine compartment as seen with the Alter K. Header builder complimented that feature...

Mike only does them "in house" and they are a "race" piece where the Alter K does have it's street attributes.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 02:28 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 05:02 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.
It fits onto the stock square frame rails seamlesly and leaves the most room of any of them for the engine. also made my belly pan fit easier. Did i mention how stable my car is at....?

and that my car sits looooow

Posted By: Stanton

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 05:11 PM

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I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

I agree but even the round-tube style have so many little gussets welded in they look like a giant spider web!

The problem is the bottom of the frame rails aren't flat so they can't just lay a piece against it. And the LCA would likely hit on compression. So they end up having to put all those intrusive pieces in the engine compartment.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 06:44 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.
It fits onto the stock square frame rails seamlesly and leaves the most room of any of them for the engine. also made my belly pan fit easier. Did i mention how stable my car is at....?

and that my car sits looooow

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Posted By: Mopar_Rich

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 07:58 PM

Here's a shot of the MF kit under my 1964 HEMI Dodge. No issues with installation and driveability was good.

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Posted By: Mopar_Rich

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 07:59 PM

I did brace the shock towers.

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Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 08:04 PM

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I did brace the shock towers.

Looks good, note to op you can see his LCA is bent too. All of them I have seen are bent there. The biggest problem I see with your is the steering rack and tie rods.

Posted By: Mopar_Rich

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 08:11 PM

This pic was taken on a lift, so when it was down on the ground the tie rods ends were horizontal. No bump-steer to speak of.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/18/14 08:36 PM

I never questioned the lower arm?

Did some work on it today...
Milled the mounts on the r&p to move it to the rear about .4". Things improved but not good. So next is to move the lower arms alittle forward (only very little possible) and grind a small notch to move the r&p downwards (again only a small amount) then install adj steering stops and finally mill the upper shock mounts to decrease downward travel.
I think that that together will work.
Might still rub the dust boots but that i can live with.
As far as for track width im thinking of milling the mounting surface of the wheels and the hubs. About 1/8" on both.
Maybe that will be enough...

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 01:12 AM

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This pic was taken on a lift, so when it was down on the ground the tie rods ends were horizontal. No bump-steer to speak of.

No the op has cut and welded or bent tie rod rack situation going on. Yours looks good, have always like the look of MF front ends. Heard to many bad stories to give them a try.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 01:17 AM

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This pic was taken on a lift, so when it was down on the ground the tie rods ends were horizontal. No bump-steer to speak of.

No the op has cut and welded or bent tie rod rack situation going on. Yours looks good, have always like the look of MF front ends. Heard to many bad stories to give them a try.

I'm sure the OP had his tie rods bend on a full turn..
the rack ball bottomed out and bent... even looking
at the pic he showed it looks bottomed out(angle)

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 02:21 AM

To me, it seems like his steering arm is changed causing the interference problems. Hard to see with these pics.

Posted By: fishy340

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 06:34 AM

I'm w Bigtime on this one 100%,the only thing I want to add is Santuffs like his Dart...Bobby any part # ?

Posted By: demon440

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 06:48 AM

RMS

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 06:51 AM

Hemi Denny FTW.....

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 09:55 AM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.
It fits onto the stock square frame rails seamlesly and leaves the most room of any of them for the engine. also made my belly pan fit easier. Did i mention how stable my car is at....?

and that my car sits looooow

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 01:53 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.
It fits onto the stock square frame rails seamlesly and leaves the most room of any of them for the engine. also made my belly pan fit easier. Did i mention how stable my car is at....?

and that my car sits looooow

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Oh sorry should have said outlaw 10.5 car as they have smoothed factory fire walls. Do like the aftermarket steering column and race brakes and no radiator in front of car!

Posted By: onig

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:16 PM

Hey BigTime, can you post a pic of your engine bay in race trim?

Thanks

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:34 PM

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I'm w Bigtime on this one 100%,the only thing I want to add is Santuffs like his Dart...Bobby any part # ?

you need to measure your mounting points tell him what your combo is and just call. I got mine thru Mike Roth.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:38 PM

That is race ready in those pics. Just needs a motor.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:39 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Oh sorry should have said outlaw 10.5 car as they have smoothed factory fire walls. Do like the aftermarket steering column and race brakes and no radiator in front of car!

so i made a panel to go over where the heater motor and hose holes were? my car is more of a street car than yours shot i even have a heater!. So my radiator is in the trunk i guess i missed that rule to. All steel car weighing 3300lb with heat and a stereo and you want to call mine a baby pro mod?

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:40 PM

Andy you need to get your car at race ride height before you measure. I know you wanted to lower it, do that then measure.

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:42 PM

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Hey BigTime, can you post a pic of your engine bay in race trim?

Thanks

I really don't like doing that. What exactly would you like to see or need help with?

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 04:45 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Oh sorry should have said outlaw 10.5 car as they have smoothed factory fire walls. Do like the aftermarket steering column and race brakes and no radiator in front of car!

so i made a panel to go over where the heater motor and hose holes were? my car is more of a street car than yours shot i even have a heater!. So my radiator is in the trunk i guess i missed that rule to. All steel car weighing 3300lb with heat and a stereo and you want to call mine a baby pro mod?

But I run on pump gas not alcohol and have a crushing range of 150 miles between fill ups. I too have electric heater in my interior to defrost windows on cold nights on the street. I forgot Baby Pro Mod!!

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 05:39 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Oh sorry should have said outlaw 10.5 car as they have smoothed factory fire walls. Do like the aftermarket steering column and race brakes and no radiator in front of car!

so i made a panel to go over where the heater motor and hose holes were? my car is more of a street car than yours shot i even have a heater!. So my radiator is in the trunk i guess i missed that rule to. All steel car weighing 3300lb with heat and a stereo and you want to call mine a baby pro mod?

But I run on pump gas not alcohol and have a crushing range of 150 miles between fill ups. I too have electric heater in my interior to defrost windows on cold nights on the street. I forgot Baby Pro Mod!!

I run pump gas on the street in my 15 gallon cell

Posted By: CJD AUTOMOTIVE

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 05:51 PM

The tubular K is super nice. I've always wondered why everyone just bolts aftermarket K frames to the bottom of the rails instead of using it as a structural member?

I built my K frame with an inner leg and cross bolt to strengthen the frame rails.

Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 06:45 PM

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I've always wondered why everyone just bolts aftermarket K frames to the bottom of the rails instead of using it as a structural member?

Header clearance and weight off the nose ???

Posted By: onig

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 08:28 PM

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Hey BigTime, can you post a pic of your engine bay in race trim?

Thanks

I really don't like doing that. What exactly would you like to see or need help with?

I was just curious on the plumbing for boost.

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 10:14 PM

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My Duster's getting nothing but the best...RMS AlterKtion! My helper agrees, it's the best setup out there!

I am sorry I just don't care for square tubing, don't think it looks nice.

hands down the alterkation in my opinion is the best. strong enough for the street and engineered for race car speeds.

Where are those inner fender panels? Looks like a baby pro mod!

Baby pro mod...with a windshield wiper motor...lol!!

Oh sorry should have said outlaw 10.5 car as they have smoothed factory fire walls. Do like the aftermarket steering column and race brakes and no radiator in front of car!

so i made a panel to go over where the heater motor and hose holes were? my car is more of a street car than yours shot i even have a heater!. So my radiator is in the trunk i guess i missed that rule to. All steel car weighing 3300lb with heat and a stereo and you want to call mine a baby pro mod?

But I run on pump gas not alcohol and have a crushing range of 150 miles between fill ups. I too have electric heater in my interior to defrost windows on cold nights on the street. I forgot Baby Pro Mod!!

I run pump gas on the street in my 15 gallon cell

I have seen your jets in your carb!!!! Lol run on pump gas!

Posted By: Oyvind Mopar

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/19/14 10:56 PM

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The tubular K is super nice. I've always wondered why everyone just bolts aftermarket K frames to the bottom of the rails instead of using it as a structural member?

I built my K frame with an inner leg and cross bolt to strengthen the frame rails.

Really like your turbo layout! Will the exhaust be dumped in the front wheel well, or going down/back? This also looks extremely clean and well thought of. Really enjoy seeing that the tubing is inside the inner fenders, I guess it will be strong enough with the stiffened K-frame.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/21/14 11:36 PM

Ok so ive got it working now. Pretty good to. Got rid of almost all bumpsteer also.
Need a little softer springs though as the ones in there now is 450 lbs.
Looks like wilwood have some caliper brackets and hubs that will move the wheels in .42". Just want wilwood to verify it.
So i just need to do some finishing touches and im all good!

Ps tried some longer shocks for increased travel but that screwed up the angles BIG TIME.

Posted By: tubtar

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 01:51 AM

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The tubular K is super nice. I've always wondered why everyone just bolts aftermarket K frames to the bottom of the rails instead of using it as a structural member?

I built my K frame with an inner leg and cross bolt to strengthen the frame rails.

Power steering ?
Hmmmmmmm.........an aristocrat.

It looks very busy , but should stiffen things up considerably.
Very clean build too.

Posted By: CJD AUTOMOTIVE

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 03:34 PM

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The tubular K is super nice. I've always wondered why everyone just bolts aftermarket K frames to the bottom of the rails instead of using it as a structural member?

I built my K frame with an inner leg and cross bolt to strengthen the frame rails.

Really like your turbo layout! Will the exhaust be dumped in the front wheel well, or going down/back? This also looks extremely clean and well thought of. Really enjoy seeing that the tubing is inside the inner fenders, I guess it will be strong enough with the stiffened K-frame.

Thanks. Don't want to hijack the thread. I've got a build thread in the projects forum and will answer any questions. Again, thanks.

Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 05:17 PM

This is all such great info. I am thinking of selling all of my unused but mounted MF parts, 2006 era. Not sure, but seeing this ! Nice info, guys.

Posted By: gofastboater

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 06:15 PM

I'm SOOOOOOO glad to see that I'm not the only one to have MAJOR problems with the MF stuff. Where do I start???? I got my kit early 2000's. My '70 Challenger has been a 15 yr. project. When it got time to install the kit it looked good. All powder coated. Never test fit. In hindsight that was my BIG mistake. When I did finally get it into the car, WOW !!!

1st. Car sat way too low. Headers were dragging the floor. Kit came with 14" shocks and they should have been 17". Springs had no compression. Too stiff. Called them. Got NO satisfaction. Made 2 1/2" spacers for the shock towers. Car sits fine but still has no suspension give. Weaker springs will help but ride height will be too low.

2nd. Oil filter didn't clear. Hemi motor on a ears. Called them. Again no satisfaction. Their fix, place washers between frame and K frame. They said that it wouldn't change the front end geometry. WTF?? Ended up notching the tube.

3rd. The tires were HITTING the fender lip. Center spacer weld Aluma-Lites with 205 tires. Couldn't turn them at all and that was with the tops of the tires 2" farther in that the bottoms. Either the lower control arms were too long or the upper ones were too short. Just to get the tires vertical had to adjust the upper heim joints so 90% of their threads were showing. Definitely NOT safe. Even after shortening the lowers. Called them again. Got no real answers. And NO, the car was never wrecked. I am the 2nd owner and have had it since 1973.

4th. The rack HIT the oil pump. Refer back to #2.

5th. The rack geometry will not LET the steering even work. I at least got the car to roll straight with out any problem. Toe, caster and camber are close. But as soon as I put any turn into it the tires want to turn in different arcs. I cant even push the car. Gave up even calling them.

This setup is the biggest POS I have ever seen. It's worth nothing to sell. None of this mess will transfer to an Alterkation piece. I have talked to my fab guy and he is willing to cut it to pieces and start from scratch but my budget won't allow that. So now I have a 95% completed project that sits there.

That's my rant.

Posted By: sshemi

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 06:46 PM

What i think i have found out is that mf uses a somewhat custom wilwood brake kit that increase track width. Witch doesnt makes sence since wilwood do have a brake kit for mustang 2 spindles that doesnt change track width.
Im waiting for a reply from wilwood where i asked if changing hubs and caliper brackets to the non offset stuff will work.

Mine is a race only car so i think i will keep the mf crap as i dont care that much of the steering angles witch i know is screwed up.
It just amazes me how someone can sell this [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean].

Posted By: mafo

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 10:39 PM

with all the talent and knowledge on this site we should team up and design a working front suspension since most seems to have some issues

at least it should generate a interesting discussion

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 10:43 PM

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with all the talent and knowledge on this site we should team up and design a working front suspension since most seems to have some issues

at least it should generate a interesting discussion

no issues at all with the alterkation

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/22/14 11:02 PM

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with all the talent and knowledge on this site we should team up and design a working front suspension since most seems to have some issues

at least it should generate a interesting discussion

no issues at all with the alterkation

And excellent customer service. The times I called bill to ask some questions when I was installing my Alterk he made time for me and said call anytime you have questions.

Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 01:19 AM

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no issues at all with the alterkation

Posted By: gofastboater

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 01:41 AM

I NEVER got any satisfactory answers to any of my questions to MF. I have the Willwood disc set-up with the Ford spindles. But that shouldn't affect the track width or the camber. And if they knew this why in the hell did they sell it to me????

Posted By: moparguy7074

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 03:13 AM

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I NEVER got any satisfactory answers to any of my questions to MF. I have the Willwood disc set-up with the Ford spindles. But that shouldn't affect the track width or the camber. And if they knew this why in the hell did they sell it to me????

To get your money?

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 03:24 AM

Mine works great and is nice and lite.

Bondo Bob's works really well too. You have plenty to choose from now a days.

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 03:49 AM

one of the better mods I've had done....

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room galore!!

Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 04:59 AM

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Mine works great and is nice and lite.

Not much of a street car without a wiper motor

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 05:51 AM

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Mine works great and is nice and lite.

Not much of a street car without a wiper motor

Don't worry to much about driving in rain with slicks and a spool!!

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 06:35 AM

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Mine works great and is nice and lite.

Not much of a street car without a wiper motor

.....that was good!

Posted By: racerx

Re: Magnum force suspension wtf! - 12/23/14 06:39 AM

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I NEVER got any satisfactory answers to any of my questions to MF. I have the Willwood disc set-up with the Ford spindles. But that shouldn't affect the track width or the camber. And if they knew this why in the hell did they sell it to me????

To get your money?

Try an go easy on this guy