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aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines?
Posted By: John Burdine
aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 12:46 PM
does anyone know who makes the aluminum sealing washers for oil pan external lines? thought it was AR Engineering, just don't see them on the website.
Posted By: astjp2
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 12:53 PM
Posted By: John Burdine
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 12:58 PM
nope, somebody machines solid aluminum washers with O-rings that seal the fittins for external oil lines with swinging or static pick ups.
Posted By: astjp2
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 01:02 PM
That is the bottom link. I used the -12 for my 3/4" lines...
I have a bunch if I can find them......and drop them into an envelope for you.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 03:13 PM
Posted By: max_maniac
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 05:10 PM
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 05:22 PM
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Kind of funny - same question from the same person 4 years ago. Tough getting old 
I do that same stuff all the time!!!
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true
Ya I got a kick out of that too.
Posted By: hemi-itis
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 09:22 PM
Are they better then the white nylon ones??
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Posted By: John Burdine
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 09:35 PM
yes that was me, and yes I'm getting older-ish. were can you buy the dang things?
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 09:38 PM
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Are they better then the white nylon ones??
YES.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Monte_Smith
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/07/14 11:18 PM
Earls "stato-seals" work well too
Monte
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 02:24 AM
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Earls "stato-seals" work well too
Monte
Yes, all or most of the AN fittings company's offers them. I'm pretty summit and those places sell them.
Then there's a cool racing hardware store right near the Raceway Park in Indy, on the corner almost. Just down the street from Bruce Litton trailers. I always made a point to stop there and stock up on hard to find hardware like these.
Posted By: Dragula
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 02:54 AM
I cannot find the ones I use....They are a big aluminum washer with a groove for an o-ring and it came with them...Put that washer with o-ring under the bulkhead nut and snug it...Totally leak free....Can't find them though...Mayb e I will draw one up in Solid Works tomorrow if I have time...
Posted By: roadhazard
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 03:23 AM
Sorry this is the best picture I have.
I used some large metal washers and cut a piece of our gasket material to fit and seal.
Been that way 7 years? So I guess it's working
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 03:54 AM
guys i'll make a bunch of these tomorrow. just tell me what id hole is needed for the fittings your running. I've got plenty of material on the shelf and lots of o rings in stock. I'm sure I can piece something together to get you going. aluminum disc with o ring groove and o ring. no problem.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 06:22 AM
Posted By: Stanton
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 06:34 AM
And if you don't use thread sealant on the pickup fittings, all the fancy washers in the world won't seal the leaks.
Posted By: astjp2
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 09:55 AM
Why buy them when we can have someone spend a few hours building them.....
Posted By: MoParFish
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 04:38 PM
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 04:40 PM
that fitting is already designed with an o ring groove. you need a special o ring to seal it. the washers that I'm making will have the pocket to use this o ring on one side and a groove for an o ring on the other. i'll post a pic after lunch so everyone gets it.
Posted By: MoParFish
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 04:53 PM
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that fitting is already designed with an o ring groove. you need a special o ring to seal it. the washers that I'm making will have the pocket to use this o ring on one side and a groove for an o ring on the other. i'll post a pic after lunch so everyone gets it.
I machine the groove so the o ring stays more on the face and doesn't get squished toward the center where it might get cut easier by the edge of the hole cut in the pan...at least that's what I was thinking the first time I did it and couldn't find the o-ringed washers locally the day I needed them... 
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 04:57 PM
Posted By: FastmOp
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 06:35 PM
Those would look a lot better then the Copper RTV I used. lol
Posted By: Stanton
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/08/14 06:55 PM
The pickups have an o-ring recess in them. You put the fitting through the hole in the pan, you slip the o-ring over the fitting, you smear pipe sealant on the threads of the fitting, you screw the fitting into the pickup. No fancy washers and no leaks.
But if ya wanna waste time and money ...
Posted By: Sammy
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 12:21 AM
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Who makes these Pittsburghracer?
Posted By: John_Kunkel
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 12:50 AM
Posted By: WadeMetzinger
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 12:53 AM
I couldn't ever find those to fit the -12 fittings, they didn't go that big and I tried several suppliers. Well one said they made them but would have to buy a box of 100 and weren't going to do that unless I wanted to buy the box so I went with the seals that PittsburgeRacer is showing from DTI. (i'm trying to look up their contact or Website but not finding them)
Earl's doesn't carry -12 either, they stop at -8 or -10 but don't have for -12 or i would have went with the Stat-o-seals.
Posted By: WadeMetzinger
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 12:59 AM
Check out my post asking about these earlier this year, if this link doesn't work, I bumped my old post so it would be on the front page.
It has the info for Doty for those seals.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post8026707
Posted By: a493demon
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 01:16 AM
Todd at comp. wedge is a DMI dealer I think.
Posted By: DAYTONA540
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 01:31 AM
AS bad as I hate to say this.Indy cylinder Head stocks the -12 Washers with the built in o-ring. I know but I had to at least put it out there.
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 02:56 AM
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Who makes these Pittsburghracer?
Sorry Sammy I just came in from the shop. I'm not even sure he's still in business as the link no longer works. Maybe Jerry will make some up and make them more available. 
Posted By: Dragula
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 02:59 AM
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Who makes these Pittsburghracer?
Sorry Sammy I just came in from the shop. I'm not even sure he's still in business as the link no longer works. Maybe Jerry will make some up and make them more available.
Those are what I use....Absolutely leak free...
Posted By: Polarapete
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 03:11 AM
My 440 has a single external line and I don't care who stocks the sealing washers, I will place my order tonight
I just hate oil leaks
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/09/14 04:08 AM
sorry got busy at the shop. the prototypes are done but I didn't get a chance to take pics today. I'll have them posted in the am tomorrow and then will start taking orders for them. the first set I designed to be a -12 but -16 and -24 and -10 could be available if there is interest.
also if anyone is interested I made a weld in port for the -12 fitting since I have all the porting tools in the shop. the weld in bung is threaded and has the o ring groove already so you just screw in your fitting. these can be aluminum or steel. let me know your thoughts.
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 07:36 PM
here are the washers, in the kit you'll get two sealing washers and 4 o rings. the -12 washers will be $15.00 for the pair.
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 07:38 PM
we did our best to make the washers as small as possible and they use standard off the shelf o rings.
Posted By: STEFF
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 07:42 PM
Very Nice, as always Jerry!!
Posted By: pittsburghracer
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 07:54 PM
There you go. They look very nice Jerry and at a reasonable cost. Don't forget I sent you a PM about your small block valve cover spacers.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 10:18 PM
I don't see how they are going to work, my
Posted By: Jerry
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 10:31 PM
its a little hard to see as the pic is a little blurry but on the side away from the fitting there is a groove for an oring. the o ring seals against the oil pan wall. on the fitting side of the washer there is a special port groove for use with the o ring on AN-12 style port fittings, which is what all the earls and aeroquip fittings are designed around.
these could even be used on both sides of the pan to seal a bulk head extra assurance. so you'd have fitting, washer, oil pan wall, washer and then lock nut. if its still unclear i'll post up a drawing later.
Posted By: Challenger 1
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/10/14 11:07 PM
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its a little hard to see as the pic is a little blurry but on the side away from the fitting there is a groove for an oring. the o ring seals against the oil pan wall. on the fitting side of the washer there is a special port groove for use with the o ring on AN-12 style port fittings, which is what all the earls and aeroquip fittings are designed around.
these could even be used on both sides of the pan to seal a bulk head extra assurance. so you'd have fitting, washer, oil pan wall, washer and then lock nut. if its still unclear i'll post up a drawing later.
Thanks
Posted By: Bigbeep
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/13/14 08:39 AM
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Parker Stat-O-Seals http://www.allsealsinc.com/statoseals.pdf
These can be bought thru McMastercarr.com
Not cheap but they work great. Beep
Posted By: Tig
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/13/14 01:16 PM
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Unfortunately we could never get these to work, they never fit flush due to the strengthening ribs on the pan. Pan is a dual line Milodon Super stock style with hole for the tie rod BTW. They may work on others of course.
Used dowty washers in the end
Posted By: jb500
Re: aluminum sealing washers 4 external oil pan lines? - 12/13/14 06:55 PM
Find an industrial supplier. Looked at Summit's pricing and their pricing is almost criminal.
P/N: 600-0101-3/4 or NAS1523-12 should be able to find for about $2.50ea or less. They are the seals designed for bulkhead applications.
The metal cup and o-ring shown above already made by Parker as the 800 series Lock-O-Seal. Made for applications that allow trying/changing o-ring compounds.
Check hoseandfittings.com for the 600 series (thats where I got $2 price from) or aerospace parts dist for the NAS series.
