Gen 3 Hemi timing chain?

Posted By: RylisPro

Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 04:55 PM

I was reading this article about the timing chain recall
http://www.hotrod.com/news/chrysler-hemi-timing-chain-defect/
Was wondering what you guys are using for a timing chain?
I know Manley sells a double roller 73205 and 73206
Are there any others?

Thanks!

Posted By: CHAPPER

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 05:07 PM

Manley

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 05:19 PM

That doesn't affect the generation of hemis that most people use for the classic builds. 2009+ is the eagle 5.7.

I'm using a 6.1 timing set from mopar. That's all I would use in terms of factory parts. I don't know anything about the Manley parts.

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 05:40 PM

Here is a pic of the stock chain on the left vs. Manley on the right

The Manley looks beefier but is it really stronger?
Stock chain is for stock applications but how is it for sustained high rpm use?
Road racing for example?

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 05:43 PM

Wade ran a stock unopened 6.1 at several track events and the big bend open road race. No issues at all.

The factory stuff is tougher than people give credit.

The only non factory parts in my shorrtblock are the cam and valve springs.

Posted By: biff426

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 06:13 PM

Only draw back to the Manley chain is I had to grind the timing cover a good bit to make it fit

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 06:39 PM

It looks like there are other double roller timing chain sets out there

Lunati 95505
http://www.jegs.com/i/Lunati/638/95505/1...BQ1QaAhMs8P8HAQ

Jegs 555-20480
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/se...p;storeId=10001

Howards 94332
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hrs-94332/overview/make/dodge

Comp Cams 7114
http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp-Cams/249/7114/10002/-1

Looks like a generic set that all the aftermarket companies sell. The keyway says "Made in USA" but I'm betting everything else is chinese.

So I guess it's what kind of take out you prefer
Mexican or Chinese

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 06:45 PM

Funny that you mention it.

A lot of the Hemi Stuff is made in Mexico.

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 06:50 PM

I thought all the Hemi stuff is Hecho en Mexico?

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 07:10 PM

Quote:

I thought all the Hemi stuff is Hecho en Mexico?

Most, but not all. It's all between USA, Germany and Mexico to the best of my knowledge.

Posted By: hemidup

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 07:17 PM

From what I've seen is that the tensioner slides or the tensioner plate will break before the chain will.

Posted By: AlexP

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 07:19 PM

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From what I've seen is that the tensioner slides or the tensioner plate will break before the chain will.

I've seen the same. Mostly on 5.7 backing plates. One of our 392's for a shop car had a broken tensioner plate and the nylon portion just fell into the oil pan. That was so incredibly lucky.

BTW Jerry...I called the shop the other day to ask you a question and the guys told me you retired?

Posted By: BigBlockMopar

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 07:20 PM

It's not which one is stronger, but which one lasts longer and keeps the camtiming correct.

Posted By: hemidup

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 07:45 PM

Quote:

Quote:

From what I've seen is that the tensioner slides or the tensioner plate will break before the chain will.

I've seen the same. Mostly on 5.7 backing plates. One of our 392's for a shop car had a broken tensioner plate and the nylon portion just fell into the oil pan. That was so incredibly lucky.

BTW Jerry...I called the shop the other day to ask you a question and the guys told me you retired?

It was just time to move on. Currently in the process of relocating into a new shop. My shop this time.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 08:16 PM

I would use stock or Crower. I just put a brand new $91 Mopar set in my build.

Posted By: Charger453

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 09:02 PM

I paid $169 shipped for the Comp 7114 from Amazon. It's still on there for that price. Summit and Jegs description says it has a Torrington bearing, but mine doesn't. Comp's site was giving me fits just now when I was trying to search and read their description.

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/16/14 11:56 PM

What chain do the Drag Paks run?

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/17/14 12:31 AM

It appears the Drag Paks run the stock 6.1 chain 05037579AB.
http://www.arrowracingengines.com/2011hemidragpak.html

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/17/14 12:38 AM

I guess we can assume the drag pak project engineers did their homework?

Posted By: Dodgeguy101

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/17/14 12:50 AM

Is there a difference in the engines between the cars and pickups? I have a 2011 ram with the 5.7 with MDS, no mention of recall for the these engines? I assume there is a difference in parts or no one has cried enough on these engines yet.

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/17/14 04:17 PM

I called around and found out the SA Gear part number 78505T-9R
http://www.sagearinc.com/performance-products.php
While the cam and crank gears are Made in USA,
the double roller chain is made in India

Posted By: Moparmal

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/18/14 01:21 AM

There's a guy in Oz who patented the Rollmaster timing gear set - he had exclusive rights to the aftermarket use of IWIS chains used in BMW/Benz etc...

India and China are always sending him chains to test, claiming they will be as good as the IWIS.

SO FAR..NONE HAVE BEEN.

Posted By: 1badx

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/18/14 01:43 AM

Stock 6.1 chain works fine for me

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/25/14 12:28 AM

Quote:

From what I've seen is that the tensioner slides or the tensioner plate will break before the chain will.

That is my understanding as well. The guide plate or the tensioner. I had the recall performed on my 2009 Challenger R/T. They changed everything (guide, tensioner, chain).

Posted By: Uhcoog1

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/25/14 06:10 AM

To my knowledge, The tensioner on the double roller sets only covers the first row of links, not both (the tensioner is the same size as the factory 6.1 piece). To me that is somewhat of a disadvantage. If someone made a beefier tensioner that was large enough for both links to ride on I would be interested. Until then I like the factory tried and true. Not to mention most of the fast modern Hemi guys run factory timing set.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on the tensioner being the same between single and double rollers please

Posted By: RylisPro

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/25/14 06:30 AM

The only timing chain I've ever used are Cloyes. I called them and they aren't making a double roller for a while.
I'm going to use the stock piece instead.

Posted By: jyrki

Re: Gen 3 Hemi timing chain? - 11/25/14 11:26 AM

I also installed a double roller, don't remeber the brand, but also had to grind the timing cover for clearance for the cam position sensor wheel.