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How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP?

Posted By: 65 Hemi

How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:01 PM

I have 3 long blocks and I would like to change 1 to a turbo or Procharger. First I have 12:1 Indy-1 500" 4.15 stroke eagle rotating assy with World Block. Second I have a 583 B1MC world block with 4.5 Calies Crank and Alum rods 14:1, and third I have a 540 -1 12:1 world block with 4.50 stroke 440 source rotating assy.
Which one would be the best to change and make 1200 street able HP???
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:28 PM

I would go with the B1Mc motor with lower compression pistons. It is easier to put a mild cam in it and add a blower to get the 1200 hp over the others. Cubes rule, blown or not. Heads likewise. The more power you want to make, the better they need to be. I am partial to screw type blowers. Whipple has sizes that will accommodate what you want, and not break a sweat doing it. If you build an 800 hp pump gas motor, then put 7.5 psi boost to it, with an intercooler it will produce about an additional 60 percent more hp. That would get you what you want with insane off idle torque to boot.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:33 PM

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I would go with the B1Mc motor. It is easier to put a mild cam in it and add a blower to get the 1200 hp over the others. Cubes rule, blown or not. Heads likewise. The more power you want to make, the better they need to be. I am partial to screw type blowers. Whipple has sizes that will accommodate what you want, and not break a sweat doing it. If you build an 800 hp pump gas motor, then put 7.5 psi boost to it, with an intercooler it will produce about an additional 60 percent more hp. That would get you what you want with insane off idle torque to boot.


My issue is with a screw blower and B1s is the intake. It will cost $2500- $3000 just for the intake. Not that this is a low budget build but I would like to spend that money else where.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:36 PM

Myself, I would do the 500" and hang 1 OR 2 turbos
on it for good street manners.. you could dial in
what pressure you want... low compression and if needed
you can run cheap fuel with water/alky injection
when in boost
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:44 PM

If you like the look of turbos, those would be a great option on any of the motors you have. There is also the option of a procharger. those don't build the low speed torque of a twin screw or turbo, but make good power up top.
Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 04:45 PM

I would go the Indy route as far as engine wise,why because they make and sell all the parts needed for which ever Forced Induction system you chose to use.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 05:04 PM

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I would go the Indy route as far as engine wise,why because they make and sell all the parts needed for which ever Forced Induction system you chose to use.


Are you thinking about a blower intake? That is the only thing that Indy makes for the indy heads. Right???
Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 05:49 PM

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I would go the Indy route as far as engine wise,why because they make and sell all the parts needed for which ever Forced Induction system you chose to use.


Are you thinking about a blower intake? That is the only thing that Indy makes for the indy heads. Right???


Go to www.indyheads.com and you can see what all they offer!
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 05:51 PM

It will be hard to ONLY make 1300hp with any of those combos.
I have a 500" -1 motor in my turbo car. And a Procharger on my SRT challenger. Both are diffrent animals.
It's hard to choose what type is better.
If you have the $$ and want it running soon then the Procharger is the way to go. It reuses your headers, and comes as a bolt on kit.
If you want to save a little $$ (not much) and can fab up your hot and cold plumbing, and don't mind all the little do dads that go along with a turbo. Then figure out the learning curve of what changes in the tune (everything) then a turbo is pretty neet.
I think if your going to stay carbarated then I would stick with a Procharger. And if your going to use a good stand alone EFI system like Fast or Holley then turbos start to shine.

As for what combo on the street I would go the 4.15 crank combo. Hooking the 4.5 crank could be difficult.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 06:13 PM

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I would go the Indy route as far as engine wise,why because they make and sell all the parts needed for which ever Forced Induction system you chose to use.


Are you thinking about a blower intake? That is the only thing that Indy makes for the indy heads. Right???


Go to www.indyheads.com and you can see what all they offer!


I have been to their site. The only thing they have over the b1s is a blower manifold or am I overlooking something?
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 06:19 PM

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It will be hard to ONLY make 1300hp with any of those combos.
I have a 500" -1 motor in my turbo car. And a Procharger on my SRT challenger. Both are diffrent animals.
It's hard to choose what type is better.
If you have the $$ and want it running soon then the Procharger is the way to go. It reuses your headers, and comes as a bolt on kit.
If you want to save a little $$ (not much) and can fab up your hot and cold plumbing, and don't mind all the little do dads that go along with a turbo. Then figure out the learning curve of what changes in the tune (everything) then a turbo is pretty neet.
I think if your going to stay carbarated then I would stick with a Procharger. And if your going to use a good stand alone EFI system like Fast or Holley then turbos start to shine.


As for what combo on the street I would go the 4.15 crank combo. Hooking the 4.5 crank could be difficult.



Thank you for your input. I have 2 four link cars and both are capable of big tires. So hooking should not be a problem. I'm looking to drive the car little more on the street but would like to run 5.0 index when I do race.
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 06:27 PM

If your willing to use EFI, then the Big B1 with twin 88's or 91's would do what you need, under 15psi I think. It might be hard to only run a 5 when it would be close'r to 3's

Or an F2 should feed it if you stay carb. But I would call Procharger directly to get there recomendation.
Posted By: E-Ticket

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 06:35 PM

How much HP can these world blocks take??
Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 07:06 PM

The 540 with twin 91's and you will see Jesus for sure.
Posted By: Dragula

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 08:34 PM

Life begins at 20lbs of boost...

Me, simpilest way to get your project off the ground is too keep it simple. A procharger will do that.

If you go to a crank driven unit, you can run a stock water pump and keep most of you normal brackets and such...

Now if 1300hp is your limit, a 470 with an F1R pushed pretty hard will exceed that, meaning race gas or water injection. A 470 with an F2 will do that easy on pump gas...So a 4.15 crank and the best pistons & rings you can get. You start going above 520 cubes and you need a big air pump, and hp numbers get real big, but so do the expenses. A 572 can make +2000hp on pump gas....So cubes are really not needed. A good block heads, rods and pistons are...

Now I have researched this a bit, and New Era Racecraft I liked the best with a gear drive. You don't need a lot of cubes at 1300hp even on pump gas, but other custom things add up. So if a crank drive will fit with a split radiator set-up, or even a conventional side mount, they are easy to get going. Mopars like boost!

Boosted engines require better tech than some shops can provide, but read up on them. A well built engine will last...

http://www.neweraracecraft.com/engine-component-kits.html

(NER piston and ring packs) Stg 1P
Steve's development of piston and dish / dome profiles continues here at NER. As can be seen by the pictures on this site we use a multitude of crown designs, Flat tops, inverted domes, spherical dish, conical dish, button dish and a round dish. Different engines respond differently to the quench area we give it, the most noted is the BBCHRY's. As with most all of our items we sell, it comes from the school of hard knocks, there was a problem, we work to find the solution, we test it, then we sell it.

The other thing you will see in our pistons is they are hard anodized. This is the same procedure done to the Nitro pistons, it makes the pistons very tuff and it is NOT a coating like ceramic or Teflon skirts. Minor misses in tune up that would have lifted a ring land are totally eliminated, skirts are less appt to collapse and wont scuff, unless your tune up is so far out in right field you can't be seen.

Third thing is the ring pack. We sell all our pistons with Total Seal steel tops, Napier seconds and varying oil rings, depending on the application we may use a Dyke ring, 1/16 std style ring, .043" in the tops. Radial wall thickness may vary too but in general we are looking for a bullet proof ring pack so std D wall will apply in most cases. 4th we only use Nickel carbon steel alloy Pins in applications above 1200HP and below we use a high carbon Pin. No std cheap Pins that come with shelf pistons.

If you want the right pistons, the right crown design, and the right ring pack, you need NER's.

NER piston ring packs are $1,450.00 for most applications, and are made for us by J.E. and Diamond.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/20/14 09:14 PM

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Life begins at 20lbs of boost...

Me, simpilest way to get your project off the ground is too keep it simple. A procharger will do that.

If you go to a crank driven unit, you can run a stock water pump and keep most of you normal brackets and such...

Now if 1300hp is your limit, a 470 with an F1R pushed pretty hard will exceed that, meaning race gas or water injection. A 470 with an F2 will do that easy on pump gas...So a 4.15 crank and the best pistons & rings you can get. You start going above 520 cubes and you need a big air pump, and hp numbers get real big, but so do the expenses. A 572 can make +2000hp on pump gas....So cubes are really not needed. A good block heads, rods and pistons are...

Now I have researched this a bit, and New Era Racecraft I liked the best with a gear drive. You don't need a lot of cubes at 1300hp even on pump gas, but other custom things add up. So if a crank drive will fit with a split radiator set-up, or even a conventional side mount, they are easy to get going. Mopars like boost!

Boosted engines require better tech than some shops can provide, but read up on them. A well built engine will last...

http://www.neweraracecraft.com/engine-component-kits.html

(NER piston and ring packs) Stg 1P
Steve's development of piston and dish / dome profiles continues here at NER. As can be seen by the pictures on this site we use a multitude of crown designs, Flat tops, inverted domes, spherical dish, conical dish, button dish and a round dish. Different engines respond differently to the quench area we give it, the most noted is the BBCHRY's. As with most all of our items we sell, it comes from the school of hard knocks, there was a problem, we work to find the solution, we test it, then we sell it.

The other thing you will see in our pistons is they are hard anodized. This is the same procedure done to the Nitro pistons, it makes the pistons very tuff and it is NOT a coating like ceramic or Teflon skirts. Minor misses in tune up that would have lifted a ring land are totally eliminated, skirts are less appt to collapse and wont scuff, unless your tune up is so far out in right field you can't be seen.

Third thing is the ring pack. We sell all our pistons with Total Seal steel tops, Napier seconds and varying oil rings, depending on the application we may use a Dyke ring, 1/16 std style ring, .043" in the tops. Radial wall thickness may vary too but in general we are looking for a bullet proof ring pack so std D wall will apply in most cases. 4th we only use Nickel carbon steel alloy Pins in applications above 1200HP and below we use a high carbon Pin. No std cheap Pins that come with shelf pistons.

If you want the right pistons, the right crown design, and the right ring pack, you need NER's.

NER piston ring packs are $1,450.00 for most applications, and are made for us by J.E. and Diamond.


Thank you for your input and help.
I have been leaning towards my 583 B1MC motor and changing pistons and cam and adding a F2 gear drive or side slinger with no inter cooler.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/21/14 03:16 AM

I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/21/14 04:32 AM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.


Since I already have 2 motors with 4.50 strokes, will it hurt the performance or just not help?
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/21/14 04:45 AM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.


Since I already have 2 motors with 4.50 strokes, will it hurt the performance or just not help?



I'm not a fan of long strokes. I like short strokes, and big bores. piston speed boosted makes it tough to control the ring package.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/21/14 07:46 PM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.


Since I already have 2 motors with 4.50 strokes, will it hurt the performance or just not help?



I'm not a fan of long strokes. I like short strokes, and big bores. piston speed boosted makes it tough to control the ring package.


Thanks for your input
Posted By: mokid

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/22/14 02:11 AM

Noy to Hijack this thread but whats your thoughts on a W8 R3 Turbo/Pro Charger build
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 05:07 PM

I have the KOS 499 out now and am gonna change it from nitrous to something else and a blower is one option. The motor has very serious heads and ran like poop N/A with those huge ports. So a F2 is better than a F1R for keeping the fuel req't lower?

Who has pics of one of these installed geared on a BB in an A body?

Posted By: BobR

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 06:31 PM

I'm partial to P/charger.

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Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 06:54 PM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.



Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 09:09 PM

Here is the best way to do what you asked
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 09:25 PM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.



Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only.



non intercooled. If you want to add the weight and the plumbing for a A/A or A/W intercooler then yes.
Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/30/14 11:39 PM

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I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo.



Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only.



non intercooled. If you want to add the weight and the plumbing for a A/A or A/W intercooler then yes.



Awesome! I didn't realize you could make that much power at that compression ratio with just an intercooler on pump gas with no meth, etc.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 12:17 AM

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Thank you for your input and help.
I have been leaning towards my 583 B1MC motor and changing pistons and cam and adding a F2 gear drive or side slinger with no inter cooler.

I agree on your choice on the Pro charger, which fuel do you wan to use on the street? If E85 is doable then forget the intercooler, if gasoline I would run a water to air intercoller and use ice in it as needed As far as street motor on gasoline I have built several hemi with roots type superchargers, 10:71 with both EFI and dual dominator carbs, 1300 HP was reach with a lot of work out of a 499 C.I. motor on race gas with Motech EFI The larger B1-MC motor with the right compression ratio should make as much or real close to the same HP per C.I. as the Hemiroids did, intercooling can help a bunch when it comes to using and compressing air for your motor IHTHs
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 12:36 AM

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I'm partial to P/charger.



Man that thing is sweet......and really fast.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 02:41 AM

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Thank you for your input and help.
I have been leaning towards my 583 B1MC motor and changing pistons and cam and adding a F2 gear drive or side slinger with no inter cooler.

I agree on your choice on the Pro charger, which fuel do you wan to use on the street? If E85 is doable then forget the intercooler, if gasoline I would run a water to air intercoller and use ice in it as needed As far as street motor on gasoline I have built several hemi with roots type superchargers, 10:71 with both EFI and dual dominator carbs, 1300 HP was reach with a lot of work out of a 499 C.I. motor on race gas with Motech EFI The larger B1-MC motor with the right compression ratio should make as much or real close to the same HP per C.I. as the Hemiroids did, intercooling can help a bunch when it comes to using and compressing air for your motor IHTHs



Thank you for your input Cab and Big Times. I respect what you have done and believe that both of your knowledge has great value. I will be posting more questions and updates as I go. The build will include E 85 since it is local get buy.
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 03:50 PM

Let's take this procharger discussion to the next level - gear drive or cog belt? The guys at Supercharger Store are pretty negative about the cog belt and are pumping the gear drive now. Problem is the little A body doesn't have much room behind the bumper/valance.

They are also saying that with a F1R 1300 HP on pump swill is doable and more so with a F2. 12 points of boost and windshield washer injection. Any real world experience out there in Moparland? What about a RB vs B based block with a 4.5 bore either way?
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 04:06 PM

I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 04:47 PM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.





How bad was it at throwing belts, if at all? I will be streeting this as well as trackin. Looks like it is a much cleaner install with the belt and an air cleaner is also easire to put on. This ain't gonna be no X275 car with a round hole in the front.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 04:55 PM

I never threw a belt. it is driven on the street still. rad is in the back and the lic plate on the front is dual locked


Posted By: BobR

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 08:27 PM

We run the gear drive from the Supercharger Store and it is rock solid. Never had a problem and we run more than 50 pounds boost spinning really fast.
Posted By: BobR

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 08:31 PM

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I'm partial to P/charger.



Man that thing is sweet......and really fast.



Doug built the car in his garage. Crazy knowledge and skills.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 09:00 PM

the problems with the supercharger store gear drives is not the quality or reliability its the fact that you need special gears for them and they do not make all of the accessory drives.
Posted By: BobR

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 07/31/14 10:06 PM

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the problems with the supercharger store gear drives is not the quality or reliability its the fact that you need special gears for them and they do not make all of the accessory drives.



Chris Alston also makes a nice unit that is actually very similar to the SS unit. Don't know how his parts support is. So far we have been able to get everything we needed.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/01/14 02:10 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.




Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member.
Posted By: Bishop

Twin Turbo - 08/01/14 03:15 AM

Not mine

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/pts/4557516567.html
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: Twin Turbo - 08/01/14 03:36 AM

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Not mine
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/pts/4557516567.html


I wish I had a hemi to put it on.
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/01/14 06:01 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.




Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member.



sorry my car is not for sale, that was a joke. The side slinger engine and blower is sitting here in the shop as a spare.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/01/14 09:41 PM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.




Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member.



sorry my car is not for sale, that was a joke. The side slinger engine and blower is sitting here in the shop as a spare.



Well if your not selling your car and you continue to race Josh's races I have less desire to race there. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight!
Lol
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/02/14 04:03 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.




Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member.



sorry my car is not for sale, that was a joke. The side slinger engine and blower is sitting here in the shop as a spare.



Well if your not selling your car and you continue to race Josh's races I have less desire to race there. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight!
Lol



that's not true, I have yet to win one of those races. first one I got a flat in the final and the last one I broke a trans on the second qualifier.
remember we race cars not time slips!
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/02/14 04:15 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.




Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member.



sorry my car is not for sale, that was a joke. The side slinger engine and blower is sitting here in the shop as a spare.



Well if your not selling your car and you continue to race Josh's races I have less desire to race there. It would be like taking a knife to a gun fight!
Lol



that's not true, I have yet to win one of those races. first one I got a flat in the final and the last one I broke a trans on the second qualifier.
remember we race cars not time slips!



That's very true. I have a feeling that you have addressed your weak links and your car will haul the mail!
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/02/14 04:15 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.








If there were no issues, can I ask why you changed.??

Just curious, because seems like a lot of work to move the radiator etc..



Chris..
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/02/14 04:38 AM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.








If there were no issues, can I ask why you changed.??

Just curious, because seems like a lot of work to move the radiator etc..



Chris..



Chris was making some new stuff for my gear drive on my Camaro so I figured I would put one on the dart also. I use my cars as learning tools for my customers so I have to always be trying new stuff/methods.
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/04/14 06:27 PM

I am pretty much leaning toward a procharger for the 499. It has the block, crank (Bryant A fuel with 2 1/4" slots), and heads and is 4.470 bore and under 4" stroke. I don't think a crank gear driven unit is a good match for the car but a side mount may work. Where can I get details about mounting the unit, the pulleys and also accessory drive for the vac pump and the alt? Needs to be compatible with a Jesel cam drive, ATI balancer (will get the keyway slots), motor plate, Indy reverse flow and elec water pump. The driver side of the front of the motor is wide open except for the stock oil filter location (but a big pump and cover).

What does the blower mount on?

What would be a good manifold and how much carb? Now there is a tall single plane w/ Dominator and lotsa NOS plumbing. The B1 heads are on a short deck KB block.
Posted By: 65 Hemi

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/04/14 09:10 PM

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I am pretty much leaning toward a procharger for the 499. It has the block, crank (Bryant A fuel with 2 1/4" slots), and heads and is 4.470 bore and under 4" stroke. I don't think a crank gear driven unit is a good maych for the car but a side mount may work. Where can I get details about mounting the unit, the pulleys and also accessory drive for the vac pump and the alt? Needs to be compatible with a Jesel cam drive, ATI balancer (will get the keyway slots), motor plate, Indy reverse flow and elec water pump. The driver side of the front of the motor is wide open except for the stock oil filter location (but a big pump and cover).

What does the blower mount on?

What would be a good manifold and how much carb? Now there is a tall single plane w/ Dominator and lotsa NOS plumbing. The B1 heads are on a short deck KB block.


Big Time is a distributor for Procharger and has a proven car. I will be using him when I am ready. It will cut down on the learning curve which can be very expensive.

Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/04/14 09:52 PM

Can you post up some pics of the A body installation? On the cog belt drive F2, what was involved. It is starting to look like that will be the easiest route for me. How do you hang the compressor when the heads have no mounting bosses like my B1s?

I want to get rolling on this build. We are waiting on a plan to mount and drive the blower before we get into the motor and change it over. Bigtime, shoot me a PM if you are interested.
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/05/14 08:13 PM

Bigtime, can you put some pics of that sidejob?
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/06/14 07:08 AM

Prochargers are mounted on a thick aluminum plate, some times two thick plates. They bolt on with only a few bolts. The Superchargerstore should have pics or do a search.
When you order from Procharger they build each kit custom. And it can be as complete, or if you decide, it can be a tuner kit.
When I opened my kit it had everything you needed to put it on my SRT Challenger. Including a real nice instruction book. I was really pleased with the install. It was easyer then installing the TTI headers on the same car. I did both.
If you call them they will set you on the right path.
This is my only pic.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/06/14 03:31 PM

Fastmop, what have you run with that set up? Do you have before blower and after blower times?
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/06/14 08:24 PM

It's a long way from a 1000HP lol
I picked up about .6 and 10MPH in the 1/8. But that's on a non hooking street tire. It's been some 7.70's babying it off the line.

I was just trying to show a mounting bracket and Procharger set up to let people get an idea of what's involved. My setup uses two belts. One belt is run off the crank to a Jackshaft pully. The other end of the Jackshaft there's a cog belt that goes to the Procharger pully.
That's why my Procharger intake is forward faceing.
Posted By: 572charger

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/07/14 11:59 AM

mine is a 606 cuin hemi 700 lift roller cam 11.9 to 1 pump gas stage V hemi, makes about 880 - 900 on motor( 9.60s at 142) in a 3910 lb street car drive it any where any time has 2 foggers on it right now runs 8.90s at 156mph on a little 200 hp tune up so its around 1100 hp that combo has been together since 2007 !!!!!!! mabe ill turn it up on some race gas this year !!
Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/07/14 03:39 PM

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mine is a 606 cuin hemi 700 lift roller cam 11.9 to 1 pump gas stage V hemi, makes about 880 - 900 on motor( 9.60s at 142) in a 3910 lb street car drive it any where any time has 2 foggers on it right now runs 8.90s at 156mph on a little 200 hp tune up so its around 1100 hp that combo has been together since 2007 !!!!!!! mabe ill turn it up on some race gas this year !!



Even on the 200 shot you can run pump 93 with nothing else?
Posted By: 572charger

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/08/14 12:36 PM

yes all my runs were on pump gas 93 octane never any race gas yet, this year i may put race gas in it and turn it up !!!! my motor on race gas runs 2 tenths slower on motor alone so i never use any race gas !!!! i run my car like i drive it on the street !!!
Posted By: Dragula

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/08/14 04:37 PM

I have seen his car in person, its the real deal....And its not a fancy race car on the street...Its a street car on the race track.
Posted By: 572charger

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/09/14 11:38 AM

thanks for the post randy !! ill be at woodward wed - sunday driving in real traffic !!!! lol trying to make the DONUT CUTTER if they still do the mopar cruise !!
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/12/14 07:16 PM

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I am pretty much leaning toward a procharger for the 499. It has the block, crank (Bryant A fuel with 2 1/4" slots), and heads and is 4.470 bore and under 4" stroke. I don't think a crank gear driven unit is a good maych for the car but a side mount may work. Where can I get details about mounting the unit, the pulleys and also accessory drive for the vac pump and the alt? Needs to be compatible with a Jesel cam drive, ATI balancer (will get the keyway slots), motor plate, Indy reverse flow and elec water pump. The driver side of the front of the motor is wide open except for the stock oil filter location (but a big pump and cover).

What does the blower mount on?

What would be a good manifold and how much carb? Now there is a tall single plane w/ Dominator and lotsa NOS plumbing. The B1 heads are on a short deck KB block.


Big Time is a distributor for Procharger and has a proven car. I will be using him when I am ready. It will cut down on the learning curve which can be very expensive.





Why? He won't answer messages. Strange cause I am wanting a F2 on my BB and have the dough. Is this a Moparts thing or just me? Is the process to just drop off your car many states away and just wait to be told to come and get it when they are done and here is the bill?
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/12/14 07:41 PM

Call Procharger!
There tech is great.
They invented the sh!t
Posted By: bigtimeauto

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/12/14 08:18 PM

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I am pretty much leaning toward a procharger for the 499. It has the block, crank (Bryant A fuel with 2 1/4" slots), and heads and is 4.470 bore and under 4" stroke. I don't think a crank gear driven unit is a good maych for the car but a side mount may work. Where can I get details about mounting the unit, the pulleys and also accessory drive for the vac pump and the alt? Needs to be compatible with a Jesel cam drive, ATI balancer (will get the keyway slots), motor plate, Indy reverse flow and elec water pump. The driver side of the front of the motor is wide open except for the stock oil filter location (but a big pump and cover).

What does the blower mount on?

What would be a good manifold and how much carb? Now there is a tall single plane w/ Dominator and lotsa NOS plumbing. The B1 heads are on a short deck KB block.


Big Time is a distributor for Procharger and has a proven car. I will be using him when I am ready. It will cut down on the learning curve which can be very expensive.





Why? He won't answer messages. Strange cause I am wanting a F2 on my BB and have the dough. Is this a Moparts thing or just me? Is the process to just drop off your car many states away and just wait to be told to come and get it when they are done and here is the bill?



I just check my machine and there is no messages back to work I go
Posted By: Airwoofer

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/13/14 02:56 PM

I am glad that your economy is humming along so well. Groveling is not my strong suit. I'll figure this out.

Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/13/14 03:53 PM

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I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive.






Dude awesome car, so awesome I see Fred in the back ground checking it out
Posted By: FastmOp

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? - 08/13/14 05:32 PM

On the TV show Garage Squad they installed a F1 on a 440 in the green notch back Cuda. The plate looked like it bolted to the waterpump housing.
That car turned out nice!
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