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Hardened Seats. Necessary?

Posted By: MadMopars

Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/03/14 11:51 PM

Just curious how many of you guys are running hardened seats. Are they necessary in a street/strip application? What are your thoughts?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:01 AM

What do you run for fuel... unleaded
Posted By: MadMopars

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:05 AM

Unleaded. No additives.
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:12 AM

It's not a bad idea to have them added if the heads are being redone , adds maybe $200 to the total bill.
Posted By: BJS racing

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:12 AM

Just use chocolate pudding! It will all be good! Unleaded fuel you will want to run hardened seats.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:22 AM

Quote:

Unleaded. No additives.




Lead was a additive that use to lube and it
saved the seats.. if you put a lot of miles on it
then the seats would help a lot
Posted By: Dave64

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 12:30 AM

Run as is and when its time to rebuild add them ten.
Posted By: drew72

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 02:58 AM

Only necessary on the exhaust seats. And yes, if the heads are being rebuilt, definitely have them installed now and save yourself the grief.
Posted By: dwayne welder

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 04:41 AM

HELLO Any cylinder heads casted before 1972, will need hardend seats installed for unleaded fuel!!! After that date they were induction hardend from the factory!! Also if you install larger exhaust valve's, you my need to install hardend seats. Because that take's away the area that was induction hardend!! When you have them install and valve job done, your valve job will last a long time, and mile's!!! Good Luck!!
Posted By: drew72

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 05:06 AM

Quote:

HELLO Any cylinder heads casted before 1972, will need hardend seats installed for unleaded fuel!!! After that date they were induction hardend from the factory!! Also if you install larger exhaust valve's, you my need to install hardend seats. Because that take's away the area that was induction hardend!! When you have them install and valve job done, your valve job will last a long time, and mile's!!! Good Luck!!




Of course induction hardening is very superficial. Good for 1 maybe 2 valve jobs. The hardened surface was only about .015" deep. After that it's time for new seats.
Posted By: 383man

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 05:56 AM

I did not put hardened valve seats in my old mild 440 street/strip eng. Has been together on the road since 2006 and still working fine. But I only put about 5000 miles a year on it. They are 906 heads I did myself as I put the larger 2.14 and 1.81 valves in them. It may have about 25 to 30,000 miles on it and the valve adjustment is still on the money. It is now in my buddies Duster still going strong and its only run on pump gas unleaded. Ron
Posted By: MadMopars

Re: Hardened Seats. Necessary? - 02/04/14 06:23 AM

Thanks for the input guys.

I have the opportunity to pick up an old Black and Decker valve/seat grinder setup for a smoking deal. It's cheap enough that I considered picking it up and trying to build a set of heads myself. However, if I still need to have the hardened seats installed then it doesn't do me as much good to have around. Hardened seats aside, does anyone or has anyone ever used one of these old Black and Decker setups? Is the stone wheel method still around or is it outdated? Think its worth saving or let it go?
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