Posted By: Bigbeep
Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 02:58 AM
How many of you guys have your advance locked on your distributors? Would like to know reasoning and basic engine combos. Thanks, Beep
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Locked distributor advance
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 03:11 AM
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How many of you guys have your advance locked on your distributors? Would like to know reasoning and basic engine combos. Thanks, Beep
Dizzy's are locked out when using crank trigger... it can be a problem starting motor due to timing is at full advance from the go..some mills you can get cranking and flip on the ignition and it works fine..I had this setup on my motor and fought kick-backs, broken starters and starter ring gears...It is not worth the extra cash for the trigger in my opinion...
Posted By: WILD BILL
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 03:32 AM
Mines locked out 
No problems starting either
No problems starting either
Posted By: SRT8Challenger
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 03:50 AM
Mine has been locked out for the last two years!
No kickback yet!
Ed
No kickback yet!
Ed
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Posted By: Ari440
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 03:56 AM
locked timing *35-*38 and msd start retard box
Posted By: Bigbeep
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 08:34 AM
Thanks guys.
Ari440, Does your start retard pull 20* when cranking? I think the one I have is capable of that.
Beep
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Ari440, Does your start retard pull 20* when cranking? I think the one I have is capable of that.
Beep
Posted By: rebel
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 10:06 AM
i've locked my dizzy but then i'm using a timing computer & crank trigger. timing is 18* on start up, 23* from 500 - 4000rpm(brake limiter set at 38)4000 - 7500rpm 36* & decreases every 100 rpm above that. easy starting with this program & full power dont come on till after the brake is released & going for converter stall of 5500 rpm, easy on the engine this way
Posted By: Dartsport540
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 10:37 AM
I run a FBO distributor. It has 10* advance built in. Full advance by 1800 rpm. My timing is set at 25* initial, and 35* full advance. Works for me. I spin the motor 1st, and then flip the ignition switch. Vrooom!!
Posted By: cyphre666
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 01:52 PM
Mine is locked out at 33°.
I use a MSD 7 3 AL with the 25° start retard
I use a MSD 7 3 AL with the 25° start retard
Posted By: Ari440
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 03:16 PM
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Thanks guys.
Ari440, Does your start retard pull 20* when cranking? I think the one I have is capable of that.
yes
Posted By: 74DusterP457
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 05:03 PM
I've offered this once before.
Buy a set of light advance springs.
Remove the two installed springs, install one of the light springs.
Advance is very quick and no starting problems. For the street, you can't beat this little trick
Paul
Buy a set of light advance springs.
Remove the two installed springs, install one of the light springs.
Advance is very quick and no starting problems. For the street, you can't beat this little trick
Paul
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 05:43 PM
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I've offered this once before.
Buy a set of light advance springs.
Remove the two installed springs, install one of the light springs.
Advance is very quick and no starting problems. For the street, you can't beat this little trick
paul(quote)
That's what I did as well, works great..No need for a $200 digital retard box and a trigger.
Posted By: Thumperdart
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 11:03 PM
Locked out street/strip car 12.11 comp. stroked 400(470)and starts and runs fine even on 91 pump swill. Been that way for years and to me it`s easier than messing w/springs and bushings + idles better and can set total advance at idle w/out winging the hell out of the motor. 
Posted By: Bigbeep
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/21/08 11:12 PM
Lots of good info here guys. Thanks. Just running ideas and options thru my thick skull now. Beep
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Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 12:48 AM
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I've offered this once before.
Buy a set of light advance springs.
Remove the two installed springs, install one of the light springs.
Advance is very quick and no starting problems. For the street, you can't beat this little trick
Paul
one light spring
Posted By: 67HEMI
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 12:54 AM
I use an MSD Distributor with the light springs and black(largest) stop. Timing is 17 at idle and 35 by 2400 rpm, no starting problems and has a lot cleaner idle.
Posted By: Sledge_57
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 05:48 AM
One light spring, interesting
How soon do you get full advance with that setup (MSD dizzy)?
How soon do you get full advance with that setup (MSD dizzy)?
Posted By: sixpackgut
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 01:44 PM
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One light spring, interesting
How soon do you get full advance with that setup (MSD dizzy)?
as soon as it starts
Posted By: Quicktree
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 05:20 PM
Quote:Quote:
One light spring, interesting
How soon do you get full advance with that setup (MSD dizzy)?
as soon as it starts
problem only running one spring is you some time get rpm's going up and down. if you run one light silver and one light blue it will keep it stable and accomplish the same thing
Posted By: RobbMc
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 05:23 PM
Every single person who has ever physically broken one of our starters has been running a crank trigger or a distributor with locked advance. About half of them were using electronic start retard which doesn't seem to always work very well.
We recommend two triggering devices with the second trigger retarded about 20 degrees from the first. You can add a second pickup to the crank trigger arm, or you can add a pickup to the distributor. Start the engine using the retarded trigger and then use a switch on the dash to move to the advanced pickup after the engine starts.
The single light spring in the distributor mechanical advance will work but make sure the advance mechanism always returns to zero. If the mechanism gets a little sticky, the weights won't return all the way using only one light spring.
We recommend two triggering devices with the second trigger retarded about 20 degrees from the first. You can add a second pickup to the crank trigger arm, or you can add a pickup to the distributor. Start the engine using the retarded trigger and then use a switch on the dash to move to the advanced pickup after the engine starts.
The single light spring in the distributor mechanical advance will work but make sure the advance mechanism always returns to zero. If the mechanism gets a little sticky, the weights won't return all the way using only one light spring.
Posted By: Blown61
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 06:20 PM
Anyone running locked timming on the street?
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 06:23 PM
My distributor has been locked for 6 years..Compression ranging from 11.8 to 13.3....no start retard or anything, has never kicked back, and start it with the key just like from the factory.
I like it, makes tming it easy(if your light is good) 
I like it, makes tming it easy(if your light is good)
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 06:46 PM
I run the springs in my MSD dist, no problems with
starting at 14.1:1
starting at 14.1:1
Posted By: Ari440
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 10:42 PM
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Anyone running locked timming on the street?
yes
a freind bent the ring gear on his converter and had sent it to turbo action to fix it
when he put the msd retard box in there where no more problems with it
Posted By: BB70DUSTER
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/22/08 11:53 PM
I always lock them out, run better, idle better, never a problem staring even with my 13-1 engine... Ive even locked out stock mopar distributors...
Posted By: chryco
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/23/08 04:07 AM
Locked in at 35deg .
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/23/08 04:41 AM
will the lean burn distributor work for a locked distributor?
Posted By: Michael
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/23/08 05:15 AM
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will the lean burn distributor work for a locked distributor?
Posted By: Sledge_57
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 05:22 AM
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One light spring, interesting
How soon do you get full advance with that setup (MSD dizzy)?
as soon as it starts
problem only running one spring is you some time get rpm's going up and down. if you run one light silver and one light blue it will keep it stable and accomplish the same thing
The silver springs are the lightest, correct?
Why use a blue spring then?
I think I have two silvers in mine at the moment.
Posted By: Jeepmon
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 06:35 AM
Since it appears most are in favor of locking out the distributor.. Whats the easiest way to lock out a MSD?
Posted By: T748
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 08:25 AM
Posted By: moparniac
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 09:00 AM
Quote:Quote:
I've offered this once before.
Buy a set of light advance springs.
Remove the two installed springs, install one of the light springs.
Advance is very quick and no starting problems. For the street, you can't beat this little trick
Paul
same here.....
them big garage door springs suck....
Posted By: wildcargo
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 12:31 PM
Is this on a MSD or a Mopar dist. I have a set of morso light springs I have thaught of putting in my MSD.
Posted By: polyspheric
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 02:56 PM
Yes, every engine that idles above 3,000 RPM will do quite well with locked advance.
Others... not so much.
If your engine runs the same with and without advance, there is something wrong with your cam, carb or both.
Others... not so much.
If your engine runs the same with and without advance, there is something wrong with your cam, carb or both.
Posted By: Jeepmon
Re: Locked distributor advance - 12/29/08 06:22 PM
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Big block?
http://www.msdignition.com/uploadedFiles/MSDIgnitioncom/Products/distributors/8546_instructions.pdf
Small block?
http://www.msdignition.com/uploadedFiles/MSDIgnitioncom/Products/distributors/8534_instructions.pdf
It's on page 4. -Tom.
Thank you