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340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help!

Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:05 AM

I have my 340 Resto block all built and ready to drop in the Duster, just went to bolt on the original 340 engine mounts and the drivers side cast engine mount ears are in a different location than my original block. Has anyone else had this issue? More importantly, any recommended fixes? I can't be the only one who's had this issue?

Original block pic

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:05 AM

Resto

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:06 AM

Stock

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Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:07 AM

318 mounts?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:08 AM

Resto ear

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Posted By: QuickBpBp

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:10 AM

Looks like its wider,so maybe it uses the 318 mount??

Edit: Got tree'd on the answer...
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:12 AM

Yea, 318's might work, weird, after all it is a "340 Resto Block" you'd think they'd at least get the easy stuff right...


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Edit: Got tree'd on the answer...





I just hope the "answer" works out to be that easy
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:30 AM

My R3 block has 318 mounts as well
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:36 AM

What a PIA to delay my project for a "wrong" part. Anyone have a spare drivers 318 mount they want to unload?
Posted By: dartman366

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:43 AM

I was thinking that the 318/340 mounts were the same and the 360 mounts were different.
Posted By: 70AARcuda

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:48 AM

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I was thinking that the 318/340 mounts were the same and the 360 mounts were different.




driver side 340/360 are the same...318 is different
Posted By: ksj

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:55 AM

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I was thinking that the 318/340 mounts were the same and the 360 mounts were different.




driver side 340/360 are the same...318 is different




X2^^^
Posted By: dartman366

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 05:00 AM

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I was thinking that the 318/340 mounts were the same and the 360 mounts were different.




driver side 340/360 are the same...318 is different




X2^^^


Ok, I knew there was a difference somewhere, been using a motor plate for a number of years now and the details have escaped me.
Posted By: ksj

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 05:36 AM

I had to go look at my truck that has a 318 and then the Dart that has a 340 to be sure.LOL
Posted By: urdustd

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 06:04 AM

99% of the normal auto parts stores only carry one motor mount for small block Mopars and it for the 318's. At least in these parts any way…
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 09:47 AM

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99% of the normal auto parts stores only carry one motor mount for small block Mopars and it for the 318's. At least in these parts any way…




It's the bracket not he rubber piece.
Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 09:49 AM

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Yea, 318's might work, weird, after all it is a "340 Resto Block" you'd think they'd at least get the easy stuff right...






They should have called it a "big bore 318" resto block
Posted By: dc426

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 02:01 PM

Been there, done this. 360 mounts!
Posted By: topside

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:35 PM

I recall it as the 360 bracket, I ran into the same deal with my R1 block that replaced my 340 block many years ago.
Wouldn't surprise me if MPs 340 resto block has other 360 features, like 360 rear main in my R1.
Posted By: Paul_Fancsali

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 04:43 PM

360 MOUNTS on that block
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 05:52 PM

I have 340 mounts (no fit) aren't 67-72 318/360 mounts (the steel brackets) the same?
Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/11/13 07:05 PM

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I have 340 mounts (no fit) aren't 67-72 318/360 mounts (the steel brackets) the same?




the mounts on the block are different with on the driverside for some weird reason while passangerside they are all the same.

273/318 has a wider bracket

340/360 has a narrow version from my memory. seems like the only mounts/brackets for the later spoolmount system that can be found in partsstores is the wider 273/318 version and with 318 being the most common engine it sort of makes sence,since a simple nut or a few washers can be used as a spacer to make the wider brackets fit the narrow mounts on the 340/360block.
Posted By: urdustd

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 12:59 AM

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I have 340 mounts (no fit) aren't 67-72 318/360 mounts (the steel brackets) the same?




the mounts on the block are different with on the driverside for some weird reason while passangerside they are all the same.

273/318 has a wider bracket

340/360 has a narrow version from my memory. seems like the only mounts/brackets for the later spoolmount system that can be found in partsstores is the wider 273/318 version and with 318 being the most common engine it sort of makes sence,since a simple nut or a few washers can be used as a spacer to make the wider brackets fit the narrow mounts on the 340/360block.




Exactly what I was trying to get to
Posted By: Joesixpack

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 02:34 AM

YOU HAVE B/E MOUNTS PICTURED TRYING TO ATTACH TO YOUR BLOCK,THEY WOTN WORK WITH A-BODY, STEELS AND RUBBERS ARE DIFFERENT.
Posted By: Joesixpack

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 02:42 AM

273-318 A-BODY PASS SIDE MOUNTS SAME AS 340-360
DRIVER SIDE 273-318 A-BODY MOUNT IS ALL BY ITS LONESOME.
PASS SIDE PICTURED HERE

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Posted By: Joesixpack

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 02:45 AM

DIVERS SIDE a-body on left for 273-318

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Posted By: Joesixpack

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 02:47 AM

backside of pair

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Posted By: RobX4406

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 02:59 AM

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YOU HAVE B/E MOUNTS PICTURED TRYING TO ATTACH TO YOUR BLOCK,THEY WOTN WORK WITH A-BODY, STEELS AND RUBBERS ARE DIFFERENT.




Correct on that. If going into an A body car, those brackets won't work anyway.

The block having the high hole position at rear is going to be an issue with most 273/318 mounts which is what you need, not 340/360 mounts.

I have a mount bracket that will work with the high mount hole. $30 + shipping
Posted By: 1972CudaV21

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/12/13 03:39 PM

340 resto blocks use 318 mounts...

Scott, I'll take that driver's side 340 motor mount bracket if you're going to toss it... :thumb
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/24/13 01:35 AM

A fellow member graciously sent me a pair of A-body 318 mounts and the drivers side does fit as far as width goes, but it has the lower the rear mounting hole and my block will require the high mount hole style mount. RobX4406, did you get my PM? I need one!

Thanks!
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/24/13 02:48 PM

If you use the correct mounts and insulaters they work fine.We done many resto blocks and never had an issue with the block bosses.Keep in mind the mounts must be the correct ones for the K-member as well.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/24/13 04:52 PM

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If you use the correct mounts and insulaters they work fine.We done many resto blocks and never had an issue with the block bosses.Keep in mind the mounts must be the correct ones for the K-member as well.





Bob, "correct mounts"? Which correct mounts are you referring to? I have several original 340 engines here for reference, as well as the Resto block. The blocks are not the same, the drivers side mounting boss is different on the Resto block so the "correct" E-body 340 mounts I have do not fit it. I realize that the different K-frames require different mounts, what I'm trying to determine is which mounts fit the resto block (which factory mounts from which year and engine combo will work on this block, in my case, for a 71 A-body). So, I have 70 E-body 340 mounts and they won't fit the block, I also have some A-body 67-72 318 mounts, which are the right width but the hole on the rear lug of the drivers side is too low so they don't fit either.

What cars/engine combos came with the drivers side mount that had the high mount hole mentioned a few posts above?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 04:00 AM

Posted By: dartman366

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 04:40 AM

Could you re-drill the mount to fit the block or is the new hole going to intersect the origional.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 04:53 AM

This is the bracket I just received (supposed to be a drivers side 67-72 273-318 mount).

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Posted By: dartman366

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 05:01 AM

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This is the bracket I just received (supposed to be a drivers side 67-72 273-318 mount).


Ok, when you said lug I was thinking the lug on the block was too low,,nevermind
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 01:30 PM

I will try and get some pictures and info on the mounts and block this weekend.The cars we worked with were 70 Cudas and challengers.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 03:34 PM

Get some flat stock and weld a new ear to that bracket to match the lug on the block. Very easy to do.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 03:40 PM

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Get some flat stock and weld a new ear to that bracket to match the lug on the block. Very easy to do.





Sure, always an options as a last resort, but with all of the posts on this thread that say "Oh no problem, just use "X" mounts, they work fine" I'd rather find one of those and bolt it on.
Posted By: dart4forte

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 03:49 PM

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Get some flat stock and weld a new ear to that bracket to match the lug on the block. Very easy to do.





Sure, always an options as a last resort, but with all of the posts on this thread that say "Oh no problem, just use "X" mounts, they work fine" I'd rather find one of those and bolt it on.





What about the driver side bracket for a poly?
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 05:26 PM

I just ordered these, we'll see if they'll work. Said to be from a 72 A-body 318

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Posted By: scottb

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/25/13 08:10 PM

Look at the bright side at least the block was able to be machined not like the other block that's on the market for sale
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/27/13 07:11 PM

Ok, let's start over here, a lot of confusing info has been posted on this thread.

Some say a 360 bracket will work. if so what year & model combo 360 bracket am I looking for (or 318 for that matter)?



If a 360? When did they ever install a 360 in an A-body with biscuit style engine mounts? They didn't, one year only 360 was used in A-body cars and that was 1974, and then the A-body used spool style engine mounts. I know for sure a 1971 style 340 mount will not fit, the bracket is too narrow to bolt up.

So which OEM mounts will fit my resto 340 engine AND my 1971 A-body biscuit style K-member?
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/27/13 07:42 PM

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Ok, let's start over here, a lot of confusing info has been posted on this thread.

Some say a 360 bracket will work. if so what year & model combo 360 bracket am I looking for (or 318 for that matter)?



If a 360? When did they ever install a 360 in an A-body with biscuit style engine mounts? They didn't, one year only 360 was used in A-body cars and that was 1974, and then the A-body used spool style engine mounts. I know for sure a 1971 style 340 mount will not fit, the bracket is too narrow to bolt up.

So which OEM mounts will fit my resto 340 engine AND my 1971 A-body biscuit style K-member?




Scott,is the problem with the width of the bracket or the bolt hole location or both?I'am checking a bunch of mounting hardware against a block to see if we can find the right combo.As I mentioned before we haven't had these kind of issues when using the correct mounts with the correct k-member but these cars were E-bodys.Give us a call with the block pad deminsions and we maybe able to figure it out.We even have some biscuit mounts that we can check.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/27/13 07:43 PM

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Ok, let's start over here, a lot of confusing info has been posted on this thread.

Some say a 360 bracket will work. if so what year & model combo 360 bracket am I looking for (or 318 for that matter)?



If a 360? When did they ever install a 360 in an A-body with biscuit style engine mounts? They didn't, one year only 360 was used in A-body cars and that was 1974, and then the A-body used spool style engine mounts. I know for sure a 1971 style 340 mount will not fit, the bracket is too narrow to bolt up.

So which OEM mounts will fit my resto 340 engine AND my 1971 A-body biscuit style K-member?




I'm going to say none. Fire up the band saw and the welder.
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/27/13 09:01 PM

Here are the dimensions. The bracket shown is a 67-72 318 mount (AFAIK). It is wider than my 340 mount and would fit the resto block if the rear ear hole were higher.

The passenger side mount fits the drivers side boses but the holes for the rubber mount would be located in the wrong place. I suppose using another passenger side bracket with new holes drilled to put the rubber mount in the correct location would work.

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Posted By: B G Racing

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/27/13 10:31 PM

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Here are the dimensions. The bracket shown is a 67-72 318 mount (AFAIK). It is wider than my 340 mount and would fit the resto block if the rear ear hole were higher.

The passenger side mount fits the drivers side boses but the holes for the rubber mount would be located in the wrong place. I suppose using another passenger side bracket with new holes drilled to put the rubber mount in the correct location would work.




As mentioned earlier by others,if that's the main issue just fab up an extension,weld it on the existing mount.You can grind the welds smooth and it would look stock.You can always drill the insulator hole where needed.You might be pulling your hair out trying to find the right bracket.I'am still looking at our parts and one of our guys who has a 340 resto block will be in the shop Saturday and I will pick his brain.
Posted By: MattW

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/28/13 01:13 AM

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Here are the dimensions. The bracket shown is a 67-72 318 mount (AFAIK). It is wider than my 340 mount and would fit the resto block if the rear ear hole were higher.

The passenger side mount fits the drivers side boses but the holes for the rubber mount would be located in the wrong place. I suppose using another passenger side bracket with new holes drilled to put the rubber mount in the correct location would work.




I think this is the easiest and best approach. Who knows what happend there but it is a MP piece so anything is possible.
Posted By: @#$%&*!

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/28/13 02:26 AM

That looks exactly like the OE bracket in my '71 Demon 318, to which I added a strap to reach the upper hole when I installed a 360 more than a decade ago. I just looked at a 340, 4 360's and a 318 Poly and NONE has the lower rear hole. It looks like width isn't the only difference in the 318 and 340 brackets.


EDIT: Somebody who makes brackets and such should probably create this part. I don't know what they were thinking at MP when they decided to make 340 ears at 318 width.




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Here are the dimensions. The bracket shown is a 67-72 318 mount (AFAIK). It is wider than my 340 mount and would fit the resto block if the rear ear hole were higher.

The passenger side mount fits the drivers side boses but the holes for the rubber mount would be located in the wrong place. I suppose using another passenger side bracket with new holes drilled to put the rubber mount in the correct location would work.


Posted By: bigblock340power

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/28/13 03:00 PM

Scott. I PM'd you about the brackets I have. I'm posting them on here for all to see. Take a good look and see what might fit. One of them has an extra hole in it for the pad. I didn't do it.
Mike

Posted By: Gavin

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/29/13 01:54 PM

PM joesixpack - he has plenty of pictures and knows exactly what is supposed to be on which engine/body combo.
Posted By: cudaboy

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/29/13 02:35 PM

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PM joesixpack - he has plenty of pictures and knows exactly what is supposed to be on which engine/body combo.


. He's already replied in the thread.

Dennis
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/29/13 04:47 PM

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PM joesixpack - he has plenty of pictures and knows exactly what is supposed to be on which engine/body combo.




When it comes to stock applications I have no doubt that he does. However, at this point I'm not so sure ANYONE knows the answer to my question aside from building a custom mount.
Posted By: Gavin

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/29/13 11:28 PM

Whoops sorry, I broke my golden rule of NEVER replying to a thread without reading it....
Posted By: 72demon416

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/30/13 03:09 AM

Chrysler really had their head up their azz with this mount idea. I got pissed off trying to find something that would fit and just decided to make my own with some 3"square tubing. It took a couple hours but in the end I think it saved my sanity.

http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx355/72demon416/IMG_0597.jpg?t=1385778059
http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx355/72demon416/IMG_0603.jpg?t=1385778167
Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/30/13 03:26 AM

I think I've solved (part of) the problem. The Mounts I bought off ebay the other day (said to be from a 1972 318 Duster) arrived today. The bracket shown on the right fits the drivers side of my Resto block and I believe the two motor mount holes are in the correct (forward) location for my stock biscuit style motor mount and 71 A-body K-member.



I have several other sets on the way from a couple sources so that I can do further comparisons. Interesting that the small block mounts varied so much over the years, apparently for no good reason?

I'll be trial fitting my engine to the K-member tomorrow to confirm. What I am still trying to determine (for certain) is which original application this bracket is from (year/model/side of engine, etc.) so that we can help out the next guy should this one work. If it is from a narrow selection of years/models I'll probably get them reproduced for the heck of it.

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Posted By: ScottSmith_Harms

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/30/13 03:32 AM

Same Mount Installed

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Posted By: 72demon416

Re: 340 Resto Block Issues - Engine Mounts - Help! - 11/30/13 03:32 AM

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I think I've solved (part of) the problem. The Mounts I bought off ebay the other day (said to be from a 1972 318 Duster) arrived today. The bracket shown on the right fits the drivers side of my Resto block and I believe the two motor mount holes are in the correct (forward) location for my stock biscuit style motor mount and 71 A-body K-member.



I have several other sets on the way from a couple sources so that I can do further comparisons. Interesting that the small block mounts varied so much over the years, apparently for no good reason?

I'll be trial fitting my engine to the K-member tomorrow to confirm. What I am still trying to determine (for certain) is which original application this bracket is from (year/model/side of engine, etc.) so that we can help out the next guy should this one work. If it is from a narrow selection of years/models I'll probably get them reproduced for the heck of it.




Go hard man- It might be a small market but there IS a market for it none the less!
For the life of me I can't understand what Chrysler was thinking when they decided to cast these blocks with a mount that nobody knows what fits.
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