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Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! Update w/ Pic

Posted By: cudabin

Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! Update w/ Pic - 07/20/13 05:26 AM

Just for fun we put my 1970 440 Six Pack, Super Track Pack Super Bee on the scales last night...

Heavy...

It weighed 4,005 pounds without the driver, but full of fuel and with the spare tire and jack in the trunk. Cast iron Six pack intake,Cast iron HP Exhaust Manifolds and full Stock exhaust w/ chrome tips. Big Red top Mopar resto Battery up front, and full size starter, cast iron water pump. 15X7" rally wheels with 235/60R15 Radials including same size spare.

Corners were:

LF = 1,236 RF = 1,071

LR = 794 RR = 904

Front percent = 57.6%

Rear percent = 42.4%

It is going to take all 450HP and 508 lbs/ft TQ to move this Heavy Bee

Will be interesting to hit the track once this fall.

Cheers,

Arnie
Posted By: gregsdart

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 08:02 AM

That is some serious weight! If someone had asked me, I would have thought no B body car ever got that heavy! Post some pics, will ya?
Posted By: Mr.Yuck

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 01:27 PM

Sounds about right, so race weight should be a few hundred lighter... 1/3-1/2 tank of gas, no spare, no jack and anything else you can remove.
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 01:49 PM

I would bank on maybe 80-90 Lbs less with a 1/3 tank full and spare,jack removed.
Removing undercoating may do a good amount of 50-60 Lbs and still be able to apply it again some other time.
Posted By: DANA60

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 02:06 PM

That seems a bit much. I posted last summer of my 71 at 4120 with me in it. I was able to shave 70 lbs off by pulling the spare, cutting down to below a half tank and looking for whatever else I could. I know your intake weighs a bunch, the exhaust manis would be a wash if they were full size headers.
If you do take it to the track, use the scale there. I'm just thinking that your weighing was a bit off. I think your car should be in the 38-3900 range with out you in it. Just a thought.

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Posted By: 70VcodeCoronetRT

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 04:03 PM

Can't wait to see how it runs with the Mr. Six Pack cam. X 2 on the pics.
Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 04:18 PM

Not sure how the scales are off? Same Rebco scales weighed my Cuda at 2,775#'s w/ me in it and that isn't heavy... We did zero them out and lower properly.

I know that the 69 cars are a lot lighter with the lift off hood, and Aluminum intake.

Cheers,

Arnie
Posted By: Dean_Kuzluzski

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 04:19 PM

Apple-to-orange comparo............

my 69 RR post, w/no spare/jack, 1/4 tank fuel, aluminum intake/front wheels, steel tube headers, race buckets, no radio (or other options for that matter other than drip mouldings), B-motor 383, stock steel hood, aftermarket open aircleaner...........

w/o me

3440 lbs.
Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 04:33 PM

Rare 1970 "Lift Off Hood option" ...

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Posted By: RUNCHARGER

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 05:09 PM

That sounds about right. The lighter B-Bodies seem to be the 66-67 cars with their small tires, no dana if an automatic and no extra scoops etc. They seem to be in the 3700 range for the no option cars.

Sheldon
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 05:55 PM

Those 70' Bees are heavy. Blamed on the whole front end face complete with their extra long bumper brackets and all. My friend has a stripe delete 70'Bee and that thing tips the scales at around 3900 LBs. Heavy they are for sure.
Posted By: super451b

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/20/13 11:33 PM

Mine only weighs 3180 without me in it .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/21/13 02:26 AM

Quote:

That sounds about right. The lighter B-Bodies seem to be the 66-67 cars with their small tires, no dana if an automatic and no extra scoops etc. They seem to be in the 3700 range for the no option cars.

Sheldon



The 66-7 Charger's weren't light, though. My 67 Hemi Charger weighs 4125 with a full tank of gas, no driver. Auto and 8 3/4, no PS or PB.

Super Stock and Drag Illustrated tested a 66 Satellite with Hemi and a 4-speed and it was a couple hundred pounds lighter, even with the Dana rear.
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/21/13 06:42 AM

I hate to hear it's such a heavy car since I have a 70 Bee.
Mine is a 3.23/auto so it came with a 22" radiator. The lighter radiator and a change to a CH6 intake, aluminum w/p housing and a mini starter may knock 40-60 lbs off but that will still put me at around 3950.
Time to think about discs on the front instead of the 11x3 drums when I put it back together.
Posted By: imfixinmopars426

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/21/13 10:02 AM

I love it when guys are positive of the cars weight,because the title says so.usually never even close to real weight,lol.
Posted By: Dodgem

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/21/13 03:08 PM

I weighed my 68 GTX back in the eighties 440 auto, dana rear end buckets counsel power steering and 4 piston power disk brakes, frame connected and steel hood. (plus some bondo I'm sure :-))
Anti sway bar on front, full duals al the way to the back bumper, 3 core 26 inch rad, Cragar SS (heavy) and Pro track M50 15s out back G60s front full tank of gas no spare or jack but a small tool box.
Aluminum intake and headers was the only weight saver then.

It was 4004 lbs without me in it so 4239 with my fat ass. Ahh the good old days when I was only 235 :-)


Now it is somewhere around 3700 with me in it. Maybe less got to weight it again was 3716 two years ago??

Anyway anti sway bars gone, steel hood gone, interior gone, heavy rims gone, heavy rad gone, heavy power steering and brakes gone, radio gone, exahust gone. even the sure grip to spool was quite a bit of weight.
Aluminum heads and rad now. Still all steel and glass save for the hood but I like it that way.

Me 260 now that's not helping! :-)
Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 04:50 AM

Quote:

I love it when guys are positive of the cars weight,because the title says so.usually never even close to real weight,lol.



So are you saying my Super Bee is lighter than what the Rebco scales say even thought they have been accurate for many other race cars including my Cuda??????

Curious as to why you think that...

Arnie
Posted By: imfixinmopars426

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 10:34 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I love it when guys are positive of the cars weight,because the title says so.usually never even close to real weight,lol.



So are you saying my Super Bee is lighter than what the Rebco scales say even thought they have been accurate for many other race cars including my Cuda??????

Curious as to why you think that...

I guess I don't understand your question....but what I ment was many fellows use title weight as gospel,on what their car weighs....when many times it is way off,and car has been heavily modified since new,or the factory used a base model weight for a non-based car. that's all I ment by my comment,and I find it funny,hence the graemlin.....I did not make any comment about acual scales,or your super bee. im curious what your title weight states vs actual weight by your own scales????...and as far as what I think about your comment...I have none...I really don't know what you mean? ,but im sorry if I offended you your scales,or your super bee. ...mike

Arnie

Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 12:24 PM

No worries, I now understand what you meant by "title". I originally thought you meant the title of my thread...

No offense taken, and i actually wish the scales were lying as 4,005 pounds is a lot to get rolling.

Cheers,

Arnie
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 01:24 PM

Title weight is usually the posted factory shipping weight. Shipping weight is based on each model without any options.

Here's what the factory posted in 1970;
WM23 Super Bee - 3425
WM23 Coronet RT - 3573
Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 04:03 PM

Here is a picture of the Heavy Bee. Paint and body still original.


Cheers,

Arnie

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Posted By: cudabin

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/22/13 04:06 PM

Here is another Picture of the heavy bee and me from 30 years ago...

Maybe the car is just putting on wieght with old age like I am ???

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Posted By: JCCuda

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! Update w/ Pic - 07/22/13 08:30 PM

My fathers 70 Charger 383 magnum, 727, 8-3/4, factory air and bench seat. 4,200 lbs. with my 200 pounds in the seat.

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Posted By: Pale_Roader

Re: Wieghed the Six Pack Attack Bee... Heavy! - 07/23/13 01:03 PM

Quote:

Title weight is usually the posted factory shipping weight. Shipping weight is based on each model without any options.

Here's what the factory posted in 1970;
WM23 Super Bee - 3425
WM23 Coronet RT - 3573



The 3006lb shipping weight for my 70 Challenger turned out to be dead-accurate, but my particular car has NO options, and that was without ANY gas, and likely lower on other fluids too.

The OP's car sounds heavy by the post, and his stated weight isn't shocking. They gained a lot in 70. A factory stripped out A12 could be a LOT lighter than that. A stripper 68 B-body even less possibly.
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