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Its Sorta Sad

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 03:21 AM

I'm watching the first NASCAR car race of the season...
no Mopars and a pile of Toilets... what ever happened
to nascar being the all American race..... SAD...
now I have to root for the chevys and fords now... SAD
Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 03:24 AM

How true!! Sucks.
Posted By: Mr340

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 04:01 AM

So sad
Posted By: Crizila

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 04:45 AM

Quote:

I'm watching the first NASCAR car race of the season...
no Mopars and a pile of Toilets... what ever happened
to nascar being the all American race..... SAD...
now I have to root for the chevys and fords now... SAD


Whats really sad is that NASCAR is doing great, while drag racing - isn't.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:18 AM

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I'm watching the first NASCAR car race of the season...
no Mopars and a pile of Toilets... what ever happened
to nascar being the all American race..... SAD...
now I have to root for the chevys and fords now... SAD


Whats really sad is that NASCAR is doing great, while drag racing - isn't.



Nascar isnt doing all that great... last year they
were down on spectator count.... at least last
year Mopar had #1 in PS and FC
Posted By: topside

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:35 AM

I remember the last time Chrysler took a (forced) break from NASCAR (1965), and they came back with a vengeance.
Funny, but I still can't root for Fords in Cup (even though I own a Mustang), and I'm too much of a dinosaur to root for a Toyota.
But yeah, for this season it's kinda frustrating.
Posted By: 340RICK

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:36 AM

I am with ya Mr P........It was so cool that Brad Keslowski won the championship, being from one and only dodge team.

I route for a brand Dodge of course. Seems these days most people are more into drivers than the cars.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:57 AM

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I am with ya Mr P........It was so cool that Brad Keslowski won the championship, being from one and only dodge team.

I route for a brand Dodge of course. Seems these days most people are more into drivers than the cars.



Yeah I was glad to see that Dodge won last year in
Nascar... even on their way out...I'll NEVER root for
a Toilet
Posted By: quickd100

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 12:48 PM

I refuse to watch it. I still think they should go back to a body in white from the factory and a factory based motor to build a race car. Dave
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 12:50 PM

it's really sad but you can't blame nascar. dodge puuled out and I think that is a huge mistake on their part. it sucks
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 12:51 PM

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I refuse to watch it. I still think they should go back to a body in white from the factory and a factory based motor to build a race car. Dave

exactly and factory motors and parts.
Posted By: MPerry

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 12:53 PM

Not sad for me! I'm not watching it.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 01:02 PM

I started watching it...Then I thought to myself...Man!! This still sucks as it always had! I don't know over half of the drivers anymore!
Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 01:16 PM

Toilets are for flushing.
To me Nascar is not all appealing any more once the cars all looked the same as eggs with wheels. Now bring back some nostalgic Nascar with wing cars and all, and the pop corn and sofa will be heated.
Posted By: bobs66440

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 01:21 PM

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I refuse to watch it. I still think they should go back to a body in white from the factory and a factory based motor to build a race car. Dave

When it was about competition, not the show. My wife and I used to watch EVERY race without fail back in the 90's. After they started manipulating rules to even everything up, it turned into a choreographed stage show. We never watch now...
Posted By: dynamite

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 01:32 PM

Part of the reason Nascar is doing well, is because Toyota poured tens of millions of dollars into Nascar...And put up the $$$ to sponser a bunch of cars..

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Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 01:58 PM

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I am with ya Mr P........It was so cool that Brad Keslowski won the championship, being from one and only dodge team.

I route for a brand Dodge of course. Seems these days most people are more into drivers than the cars.

I agree 100% and couldn't have said it better.

Now that I have no Dodge boys to cheer for, who should I follow? The the car sponsored by a mattress company and a furniture store? I don't think so...

Car Paint Jobs

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Posted By: fullmetaljacket

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:04 PM

Yeah, Toyota poured tens of millions of dollars into the sport and forgot to pay the engineers who design the accelerator linkages on their street sedans.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:15 PM

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Yeah, Toyota poured tens of millions of dollars into the sport and forgot to pay the engineers who design the accelerator linkages on their street sedans.



Toyota just messed up and put their Nascar pedal in the
street cars.... it just goes to WOT... lol
Posted By: Commando1

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:24 PM

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... what ever happened to nascar being the all American race....



What happened to NASCAR being the all-American STOCK CAR race.
I haven't watched it in a jillion years.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:27 PM

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... what ever happened to nascar being the all American race....



What happened to NASCAR being the all-American STOCK CAR race.
I haven't watched it in a jillion years.


the same thing that happened to NHRA prostock
Posted By: Max Wedge Savoy

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:33 PM

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Not sad for me! I'm not watching it.



Ditto. Could care less about it.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 02:35 PM

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... what ever happened to nascar being the all American race....



What happened to NASCAR being the all-American STOCK CAR race.
I haven't watched it in a jillion years.


the same thing that happened to NHRA prostock



I guess I'm different than some on here.. I will
watch(or participate) in any motor sport... I just
love competition... I'll watch racing planes to boats,
cars or motorcycles... hell this week I watched belt
sander races... that was a first
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 03:02 PM

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... what ever happened to nascar being the all American race....



What happened to NASCAR being the all-American STOCK CAR race.
I haven't watched it in a jillion years.


the same thing that happened to NHRA prostock



I guess I'm different than some on here.. I will
watch(or participate) in any motor sport... I just
love competition... I'll watch racing planes to boats,
cars or motorcycles... hell this week I watched belt
sander races... that was a first


I do also but they have lost touch and make it a show now instead of a race
Posted By: 74yellowduster

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 03:04 PM

dodge just wanted to give chevy a chance this year
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 03:34 PM

I do also but they have lost touch and make it a show now instead of a race



I could care less about the touch... I watch to see
the little slick move that a driver can pull off to
get a position or the driver that has his car all out
of shape and can get it back.... its the little things
in a race that I like... now that Mopar is gone all
I have to watch for is the little things and I dont
care who wins.... the things I watch for are all
on the track... couldnt care less about the drama..
just watching the drivers on the edge and pulling it off
Posted By: Cheatham

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 04:33 PM

Watching Danica Patrick climb in and out of the car is appealing lol but i cant wait for honda and mitsibishi to join nascar lol, what i hate to see is the electronics taking over in nascar, they need to ripp out the restricters and let them have had it, iv heard them cars can run 230+ mph on the big tracks unrestricted.
Posted By: Cudajon

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 04:39 PM

No more NASCAR for me. I only watched to root for the Mopars, now they're gone. NASCAR hasn't been any good since they went to the cookie cutter cars.
Posted By: mopartoby

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:05 PM

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I refuse to watch it. I still think they should go back to a body in white from the factory and a factory based motor to build a race car. Dave



Couldn't agree more!! I'd like to see that in prostock as well. True factory rear drive cars. In nhra and roundy round.
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:31 PM

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I refuse to watch it. I still think they should go back to a body in white from the factory and a factory based motor to build a race car. Dave



Couldn't agree more!! I'd like to see that in prostock as well. True factory rear drive cars. In nhra and roundy round.



They do not produce a rear wheel drive car, ???
all about big money now back in the day it was about the owner/driver,
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 06:50 PM

Go Toyota.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 07:09 PM

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I'm watching the first NASCAR car race of the season...
no Mopars and a pile of Toilets... what ever happened
to nascar being the all American race..... SAD...
now I have to root for the chevys and fords now... SAD



What is sad is that some of you guys that know better(OP)think that there are actually different cars out on the track
The engines are all basic cookie cutter air pumps with different valve covers The car is just tubing and sheet metal with a decal on it from whoever puts up the most money.Just wait until Toyota(look I can spell it right)starts putting more money into NHRA Pro-Stock Camry
Toyota and racing what could be better
Gus

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Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 07:20 PM

It all comes down to the TV coverage,nascar get's unlimted TV coverage Drag-Racing gets very little-none.On Sunday afternoons most people get together BBQ and drink beer while watching 6-7 hours of nascar racing(something to do).No Drag-Racing till 8:00-9:00 when Sunday is over and time to get ready to return to work & ready the kids for school, and most time not on it is time slot.If NHRA would invest a little $$$ in getting the entire race broadcast on Sunday a year or two giving public America something to watch on Sunday afternoons instead of nascar(its done got boring to most of them as well,but they say that's all there is to watch)NHRA would have 3 times more fans than nascar.And with the best seat in the house at a NHRA race being in the $50.00 range vs nascar's $100.00+ range,their would be a lots more people going to the Drag Races!
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 07:35 PM

Dad bought a new Toyota pickup in 1975...He almost got booted from the Union for that...
Posted By: HYPER8oSoNic

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 08:32 PM

IMO, NASCAR was done for me when Chrysler STOPPED producing their rear wheel drive vehicles. Save for the loyalty to the remaining legends (King Richard, being at the top of the list and the LOSS of the GREAT Dale
Earnhardt), I find it not what it used to be!! As far as Toyota running the NASCAR circuits, not interested. What's next, front-drives running the Grand National series?

Posted By: justinp61

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:03 PM

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all about big money now back in the day it was about the owner/driver,



Don't fool your self, big money teams won the most races back in the day too. Going fast has always cost money.
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:14 PM

You may want to do some research to find out just how American the Toyota Camry's are.

Oh...what a feeling.
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:21 PM

Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:25 PM

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You may want to do some research to find out just how American the Toyota Camry's are.

Oh...what a feeling.

give us a break, just because you have a underpaid job at toyota it doesn't make them great...
Posted By: tjmarcus1

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:34 PM

Did you guys know dodge has a car approved for 2013 nascar, and was/is thinking about buying pensky's engine shop and selling their on motors???
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:48 PM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 10:55 PM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



they built the push rod motor just for nascar....
thats alot of coin just to go nascar... but I still
wouldnt buy one
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:01 PM

Gus...Here is one of their road racers...Notice the sponsor...

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Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:03 PM

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Gus...Here is one of their road racers...Notice the sponsor...



LOL... thats funny Ted.... fill it up with a load of rice
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:08 PM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



they built the push rod motor just for nascar....
thats alot of coin just to go nascar... but I still
wouldnt buy one




My point exactly.
Posted By: LSP

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:11 PM

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Did you guys know dodge has a car approved for 2013 nascar, and was/is thinking about buying pensky's engine shop and selling their on motors???



Tell us more.
Posted By: RoadRunnerLuva

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:19 PM

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... what ever happened to nascar being the all American race....



What happened to NASCAR being the all-American STOCK CAR race.
I haven't watched it in a jillion years.



Yup.... with ya!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:20 PM

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Did you guys know dodge has a car approved for 2013 nascar, and was/is thinking about buying pensky's engine shop and selling their on motors???



Tell us more.



Dodge did have a body ready for 2013.. but when Penske
went Ford Chrysler pulled the plug on the whole
nascar thing... BUT rumor has it they might be coming
back next year.... Fiat is into the racing but I'm
sure they have to look at the bucks FIRST....
I forget which body it was... not sure if it was
the Challenger or not.. just cant remember
EDIT
Its just a decal on the front anyways...LOL
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:23 PM

The days of Win on Sunday.....Sell on Monday are gone,boys..I sure as hell wouldn't buy a ricer...But if things work out for me and the wife,there may be a new DODGE in the garage!!
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:28 PM

Quote:

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus

because Americans prefer them
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:33 PM

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The days of Win on Sunday.....Sell on Monday are gone,boys..I sure as hell wouldn't buy a ricer...But if things work out for me and the wife,there may be a new DODGE in the garage!!



I hope it does work out for you... and thank you if you
buy a Dodge
Posted By: LSP

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:33 PM



rumor has it they might be coming
back next year.... Fiat is into the racing but I'm
sure they have to look at the bucks FIRST....



With a team most would find hard to believe.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:49 PM

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rumor has it they might be coming
back next year.... Fiat is into the racing but I'm
sure they have to look at the bucks FIRST....



With a team most would find hard to believe.



Thats the problem now... trying to find a team willing
to change OR coming up with enough people to build
a team... if they(Chrysler) wanted they could lay
out enough money to make it worth while... if they
could get some good people... but money is still first
Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:52 PM

Quote:

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



GM's LS family seems to still be doing well for such an antiquated design.
and the fact that toyota spent so much money making a pushrod V8 just to go racing speaks volumes.
Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/17/13 11:54 PM

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You may want to do some research to find out just how American the Toyota Camry's are.

Oh...what a feeling.



So American that both head offices are in JAPAN!


http://www.toyota-global.com/company/profile/overview/
Posted By: LSP

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 12:04 AM



Thats the problem now... trying to find a team willing to change



That won't seem to be a problem.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 01:35 AM

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Quote:

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



GM's LS family seems to still be doing well for such an antiquated design.
and the fact that toyota spent so much money making a pushrod V8 just to go racing speaks volumes.


Remember when NASCAR went to Japan and raced there? A few of the teams sold their cars to some well funded engineering firms to reverse engineer the cars and start construction of their own engine of course making it better and more fuel efficient.
And just another bit of inside info here,Toyota tried to buy NASCAR but were outvoted by the stock holders(I heard by one Toyota rep that the vote was closer than you think)So they did the next best thing,they put up quite a sum of cash to sponsor some races as long as they could play too.
So when Fiat joins up in NASCAR with an Italian based cylinder head is that going be OK with you "AMERICANS"
As long as it's German or Italian it's OK to be UN-AMERICAN sheesh what a bunch of hypocrites
Gus

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Posted By: Quicktree

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 01:43 AM

so you are calling people hypocrites for something that has not happened?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 01:44 AM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



GM's LS family seems to still be doing well for such an antiquated design.
and the fact that toyota spent so much money making a pushrod V8 just to go racing speaks volumes.


Remember when NASCAR went to Japan and raced there? A few of the teams sold their cars to some well funded engineering firms to reverse engineer the cars and start construction of their own engine of course making it better and more fuel efficient.
And just another bit of inside info here,Toyota tried to buy NASCAR but were outvoted by the stock holders(I heard by one Toyota rep that the vote was closer than you think)So they did the next best thing,they put up quite a sum of cash to sponsor some races as long as they could play too.
So when Fiat joins up in NASCAR with an Italian based cylinder head is that going be OK with you "AMERICANS"
As long as it's German or Italian it's OK to be UN-AMERICAN sheesh what a bunch of hypocrites
Gus



Couple of things for ya... Dodge was the one getting
the best mileage last year.... also it was said that
IF they go back to nascar Dodge would be the one running
it... not Fiat... Fiat pretty much lets the Chrysler
group run themselves... and has been doing well
Posted By: John Burdine

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 07:00 AM

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You may want to do some research to find out just how American the Toyota Camry's are.

Oh...what a feeling.



do us all a favor and move to japan.
Posted By: wildcargo

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 03:08 PM

Why would Dodge come back every time thay find some thing and win, thay get penalized. thay did it with the Hemis back in the 60s and thay did it when thay won with the last car. Nascar evean made them run a biger carb to use more fule so thay could not win on milage, evean though thay could run as fast or faster than the outhers.
So why would Dodge want to come back.
My
Posted By: cudasteve68

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 06:39 PM

My thoughts are if you want to watch "Roundy Roundy" racing, you are gonna get some dirt in your beer. WoL or your local dirt track has get racing every night where there are still a few Mopars out there. (Probally why if I had to cheer for a NASCAR driver it will one that started driving a real round track car and made thier way to the top. Kasey Khane, Tony S. Dave Blaney. Not one with a father that has an endless bank account)
Posted By: HOTMOPR

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 07:48 PM

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it's really sad but you can't blame nascar. dodge puuled out and I think that is a huge mistake on their part. it sucks


Dodge didnt pull out.. They just couldnt match the deal by brand x
Posted By: Joesixpack

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 08:01 PM

http://www.musclevehicles.com/2013-nascar-dodge-charger-sprint-cup-car/

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Posted By: Spaceman Spiff

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 08:46 PM

Quote:

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


Why would a "successful"car manufacturer go backwards to build an antiquated design engine when you can build a more efficient better designed cylinder head with twin cams
Gus



GM's LS family seems to still be doing well for such an antiquated design.
and the fact that toyota spent so much money making a pushrod V8 just to go racing speaks volumes.


Remember when NASCAR went to Japan and raced there? A few of the teams sold their cars to some well funded engineering firms to reverse engineer the cars and start construction of their own engine of course making it better and more fuel efficient.
And just another bit of inside info here,Toyota tried to buy NASCAR but were outvoted by the stock holders(I heard by one Toyota rep that the vote was closer than you think)So they did the next best thing,they put up quite a sum of cash to sponsor some races as long as they could play too.
So when Fiat joins up in NASCAR with an Italian based cylinder head is that going be OK with you "AMERICANS"
As long as it's German or Italian it's OK to be UN-AMERICAN sheesh what a bunch of hypocrites
Gus



why do you race and old dinosaur with outdated technology, when you could be racing a cutting edge toyota?
Posted By: cudaman1969

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/18/13 11:57 PM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


It was a dodge engine they stole and put toyota valve covers on, look it up big lawsuit from Ganassi racing and dodge, real hush hush
Posted By: G-Money1320

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 01:44 AM

Im with ya on this one Mr P. I just said that same thing to the wife on saturday and she is not a huge fan but doesnt understand the foreign manufacturers running and not Dodge. Hopefully they will come back next year. I guess some of us are old school and like the big 3 running
Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 02:28 AM

I'll tune into a NASCAR race.......




When a HEMI Superbird is in the field.
Posted By: rickb67

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 04:12 AM

As far as I am concerned there is only the big 3 and all I will drive is from mother Mopar.
Posted By: cagebob1

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 01:55 PM

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As far as I am concerned there is only the big 3 and all I will drive is from mother Mopar.



Posted By: 72blubird

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 05:55 PM

It sucks I was kinda bummed, because I have to ref basketball this weekend for a big tournament. The more I thought about it and no Mopars racing it really isn't bothering me now.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 06:03 PM

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Has Toyata ever made a "production" pushrod V8?


It was a dodge engine they stole and put toyota valve covers on, look it up big lawsuit from Ganassi racing and dodge, real hush hush



Post a link please.
Posted By: slantzilla

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 06:22 PM

Dodge vs. Bill Davis Racing

http://www.jayski.com/pages/tracks/lawsuit-dodge-davis.htm
Posted By: TrWaters

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 10:27 PM

"If we were going to copy people's stuff, it wouldn't be people running at the back, let me put it that way," Toyota Racing Development Senior Vice President/General Manager Lee White said in a jab at Dodge."

Posted By: pattyboy 572

Re: Its Sorta Sad - 02/20/13 10:51 PM

Yea . just like they didn't copy caterpillar constrution equipment...BS...komatsu....daewoo...and the like
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