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budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well
Posted By: RockChip
budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:05 PM
Long time since I been on here
My budget turbo belvedere is still alive and well
I have a clip of a Dyno pull I made last year but not shure how to load it.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:12 PM
This shot is from the world series at Cordova 2012
Never got a clean pass due to fuel delivery issues, after dyno tune the fuel requirement went up so it made a bad thing worse
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:33 PM
Old pic from old phone
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:39 PM
Once I get fuel system figured out then plans for a bigger turbo are in the works.
But I will proly go threw the 383 first.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:47 PM
The bang shift crue even stopped by for a interview LOL
They took a bunch of pics of the heap
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 01:51 PM
Here is one of the pics
With yours truly fighting the hot chicks off with a stick !!!!
Posted By: gtsdude
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 09:29 PM
Looks like my kind of build, what turbo are you using? I plan to run a GT45 chinese turbo on my 78 Aspen
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/21/13 10:37 PM
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Looks like my kind of build, what turbo are you using? I plan to run a GT45 chinese turbo on my 78 Aspen
i would spend a little more money and get a master power or a borg warner. Those turbos are cheap for a reason
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 01:03 AM
A GT45 is a master power... lol
So to the original poster... how quick is this thing... wanna run 'em?
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 01:18 AM
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A GT45 is a master power... lol
So to the original poster... how quick is this thing... wanna run 'em?
gt 45 is a size designation not a brand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-GT45-TURBO-...a08&vxp=mtr
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 02:30 AM
Turbo is a Ebay GT45 y2004k, Ebay 53mm BOV and 60mm waste gate.
Its like a 69mm 105AR exhaust, I have 4-5 years on it now with no problems what so ever....
And we are not nice to it at all!!!
Engine is BONE stock 1968 383 never been apart except for.
280/480 comp juice cam, used one I had laying around
double roller chain
chrome timing cover lol
High volume oil pump
And a Torker 383 intake with new valley pan cause the old one was rusted out.
Carb i did myself, it runs on E85
3500 10" stall, colum shift.... I just leave it in drive!!!
3.91 gear witch I will be swapping for 3.23 soon
29x10 Slicks
High 10s @ around 120 so far but fuel system cant keep up so no full power passes yet.
should run low 10s to high 9s @ 130s once fuel seystem keeps up
BTW!!! car is FUN to drive !!!! layer on the wood and let the Turbo do the talkin LOL !!!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 02:36 AM
Anyone wants to know what all the parts are just send a message...
1968 Belvedere, well worn 383,727,8 3/4,bench seat, lap belt... STOCK!!!
Sure Ill run ya LOL
Ill be at the world series again for 2013 but I usually go to Cedar Falls in Iowa
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 03:44 AM
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Turbo is a Ebay GT45 y2004k, Ebay 53mm BOV and 60mm waste gate.
I must say i am very surprised. I have no first hand experience but i know a few locals have tried .60 trims on imports with VERY little luck.
Your car is definitely impressive
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 03:49 AM
LOL... sounds good. How much boost are you running? Intercooler? Fuel?
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 05:22 AM
It's not intercooled, E85 fuel from the local kwik trip
I leave the line @ 10 psi of boost
Not shure what it goes to down the track
If I could load the dyno vid you could see it on the Super Flow dyno
I think we stopped at 21-23 pounds of boost, I would have to look at the sheet
The turbo is a single EBay GT45 y2004k for 260-300 bucks
I actually have 2 turbos for twins but didn't feel like relocating the alternator.
It could use a bigger turbo like a BW s475 or s480
On the vid of the dyno pull it was 93+ and high humidity on its 12th pull, she was warm
Said pull made 593 HP and 724 tq
With a 30min cool down 613 HP and 758 tq
I was trying to start the pulls at 3800 but dyno could only bring it down to 4200
With cooler weather I'm shure I could hit 800 on the tq, well or BOOM LOL
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 06:26 AM
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Looks like my kind of build, what turbo are you using? I plan to run a GT45 chinese turbo on my 78 Aspen
i would spend a little more money and get a master power or a borg warner. Those turbos are cheap for a reason
My cheap turbo has been on my car for over a year and took some serious abuse including lack of oil, a return restriction, and a few lean conditions in which my pryometer read almost 900 deg. and is still going strong. For $263 to my door vs $600+ I can buy one more before I reach the cost threshold.
Glad to see another person debunking the cast piston/stock motor myth too
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:23 AM
Well I got the dyno pull on YouTube
It's on my page but when I search for it nothing comes up, maybe it just takes a bit
Search, Mopar turbo stock 383
I hope it works
It shows the power numbers !!!!
This dyno is verry conservative BTW
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:43 AM
It says takes up to 48 hours to show up in search
O well I guess ill just have to wait
Posted By: gdonovan
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 10:51 AM
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My cheap turbo has been on my car for over a year and took some serious abuse including lack of oil, a return restriction, and a few lean conditions in which my pryometer read almost 900 deg. and is still going strong.
900F?
That's rather rich, Reliant goes through the traps at 1700F
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 12:14 PM
I love reading about these turbo cars. I just haven't found the information I'd like to make me comfortable in trying to make one.(well that and the $$$)
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 12:16 PM
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It says takes up to 48 hours to show up in search
O well I guess ill just have to wait
This one? Has a nice whistle! 
http://youtu.be/6Ux_0zeEG9I
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 02:15 PM
are those custom headers? They look like shorty's. I'd like to do a turbo set-up like that one of these days. Does all that clear the factory k-frame. Looks sort of like this SB set-up.
Posted By: gtsdude
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 03:27 PM
would spend a little more money and get a master power or a borg warner. Those turbos are cheap for a reason
I hear what your saying about those chinese turbos, but check out theturboforums.com. They have a thread about the gt45 that a bunch of guys are using and seems to hold up and make power.
Posted By: Duner
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:05 PM
Looking good man!
I'm a fan!
Posted By: DRAG-ULA
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:25 PM
I dig it!!!!! Glad to know the lower end will take that kind of abuse. I'm waiting for my 383 to kick a rod out or break a piston, and I'm only at 12 lbs. Maybe it'll never happen.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:44 PM
Yes that is the vid !!!!!
The headers are stainless block huggers from eBay
I think there China made but good quality
I can only find the style header for early Hemi now on eBay
As far as master power turbo, I was gonna go that rout till I found the info on these
For the price ya can't beat em
I do have 2 BW S475 for another project, might get a t4 to t6 adapter and try it
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 07:51 PM
How much timing do you have in this thing? Lol...what year motor (how much compression)?
How quick/fast has it been in the 1/8 mile?
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 09:00 PM
It's the original 383 from the car
1968 engine. So prolly 9 to 1 I think
Timing is locked out at 28
As for 1/8 mile times ill have to look at the time slips
They are all in the car
And the car is in storage LOL
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/22/13 11:57 PM
Good i love e85...the abuse thus fuel will take...Guess I can probably run more then 8psi and 20 degrees of timing in mine then huh?
Posted By: Bad340fish
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 12:35 AM
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are those custom headers? They look like shorty's. I'd like to do a turbo set-up like that one of these days. Does all that clear the factory k-frame. Looks sort of like this SB set-up.
I would love to see a pic of the other side of that engine, looks like an "easy" fit in an abody.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 01:17 AM
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are those custom headers? They look like shorty's. I'd like to do a turbo set-up like that one of these days. Does all that clear the factory k-frame. Looks sort of like this SB set-up.
I would love to see a pic of the other side of that engine, looks like an "easy" fit in an abody.
sorry found it online. I'm guessing they are shorty headers looks like straight pipe down and under the k-frame over to pass side.
Posted By: Winchester 73
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 03:03 AM
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Turbo is a Ebay GT45 y2004k, Ebay 53mm BOV and 60mm waste gate.
Its like a 69mm 105AR exhaust, I have 4-5 years on it now with no problems what so ever....
And we are not nice to it at all!!!
Engine is BONE stock 1968 383 never been apart except for.
280/480 comp juice cam, used one I had laying around
double roller chain
chrome timing cover lol
High volume oil pump
And a Torker 383 intake with new valley pan cause the old one was rusted out.
Carb i did myself, it runs on E85
3500 10" stall, colum shift.... I just leave it in drive!!!
3.91 gear witch I will be swapping for 3.23 soon
29x10 Slicks
High 10s @ around 120 so far but fuel system cant keep up so no full power passes yet.
should run low 10s to high 9s @ 130s once fuel seystem keeps up
BTW!!! car is FUN to drive !!!! layer on the wood and let the Turbo do the talkin LOL !!!!!
thank you for building this!you must have done this in a secret location away from the moparts gestapo.at the minemum for boost you need pistons from some sort of metal that came from a meteor,aftermarket block,the newest of heads that JUST got developed and then sent to some wichdoctor for porting ect,ect and if all this fails they would tell you to turbo a stock LS1 
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 03:33 AM
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would spend a little more money and get a master power or a borg warner. Those turbos are cheap for a reason
I hear what your saying about those chinese turbos, but check out theturboforums.com. They have a thread about the gt45 that a bunch of guys are using and seems to hold up and make power.
I agree 100%. If others are having luck i guess its worth a try. I got lucky and picked up a new s480 from a buddy for peanuts. glad to see that there will be other turbo mopars out to play with. 
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 05:38 AM
Love the comment Winchester !!!!!!
You hit the nail on the head with that one !!!!!
As for the pipe connecting the headers to turbo.
It's compression bent 2 1/2 with a home made Y that I tried to make flow as good as I could
It pokes up threw the hole inbetween the K member to the turbo
Just a tad less ground clearance by about a 1"
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 05:46 AM
And yes !!!!!
dizuster don't be afraid to turn the wick up !!!! LOL
I never really like driving the car untill 15psi
Posted By: 69B3GT
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 06:07 AM
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And yes !!!!!
dizuster don't be afraid to turn the wick up !!!! LOL
I never really like driving the car untill 15psi
Im gonna blame you cause now the gears are turning in my brain for a turbo deal on my cast piston 440...Boost just looks so fun. Your car truly is badass. 
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 06:45 AM
Thanks 69 !!!!!
After the turbo stuff started to come out and I would watch them run got me thinkin about boost !!!!!
I had to have one !!!!!
It's the funnest car I have ever owned, cheepest too LOL
Well that goes this quick anyways !!!!
You don't have to own a fox body with a 5.0 or a Chevy product to go fast cheep.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 06:50 AM
Exactly! The reason turbo Mopars arent more predominant is simply because people dont build them.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 07:03 AM
Well hopefully this will change things
And if anyone needs info on the build I will try my best to help them out !!!!
Posted By: Winchester 73
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 07:36 AM
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Well hopefully this will change things
And if anyone needs info on the build I will try my best to help them out !!!!
i have a 73 dart sport with a fresh rebuilt cast piston 383 with the very same cam 8 3/4 with 3.23 stock 727.lots of carbs to play with -e85 is sold about twenty minutes from my home.im thinking about doing this with reversed stock manifolds.
how much to setup a carb for me?
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 08:12 AM
I found a site that sells the headers
Racing inovation and supply, Google it
Then on left click on 440 mopar
189.99
They worked on my B body pritty good.
Not shure if they will work on other stuff
As for carb work I can tell ya what I did and give numbers but I will only lead the way LOL
I don't want to be responsible for anything.
I know on the dyno I had to change metering blocks to get the brake specifics and O2 rite
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 08:17 AM
Hey dizuster !!!!!
I think you and I might be a good match
I might need to turn the wick up on the Belvedere though LOL
I seen some vids on YouTube of your hot rod !!!!!
Looks sweet !!!!!
Might have to pull one of my S475 out and hook er up :-D
Posted By: ScatPackNick
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/23/13 02:57 PM
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thank you for building this!you must have done this in a secret location away from the moparts gestapo.at the minemum for boost you need pistons from some sort of metal that came from a meteor,aftermarket block,the newest of heads that JUST got developed and then sent to some wichdoctor for porting ect,ect and if all this fails they would tell you to turbo a stock LS1
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 11:26 AM
What is the hardest part of building one of these?
What are you using for a fuel system?
What is the fuel delivery problem causing it to do?
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 01:06 PM
Ya it'd be a good race for sure... You are over geared, I'm under geared, similar cams, similar cubic inch, you are running a lot more boost then I am, but I have a bigger turbo.
Maybe this summer we can hook up for some moparts turbo grudge racing!
Budget beater vs. budget ugly.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 02:36 PM
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What is the hardest part of building one of these?
What are you using for a fuel system?
What is the fuel delivery problem causing it to do?
haven't done a turbo but I'll try and answer
1. For me it would be the fab/welding up of exhaust
2. Any decent pump would work, You'd have to figure how much fuel you're going to need and go from there.
3. I'm guessing he's going lean or losing pressure at the big end.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 02:49 PM
As far as my fuel system.
I have the stock tank witch I removed the sending unit and installed a 5/8" pickup next to the factory pickup.
My pump is a BG 220, yes I know its to small.
I have 9/16 line from pickup to pump, from pump to regulator up at the engine.
I return from the pump back threw the stock pickup in the tank with 3/8 line.
My regulator is the big Holley one, that I boost referenced.
The 9/16 goes into the regulator then I have I think -8 or -6 lines out of regulator to carb.
I have a BG 400 pump I'm gonna put on it and ill prolly get a better regulator.
What does it do you ask? Well it pritty much dies then I peddal it till the pump catches up while the boost is down and head back on the return road.
And yes I would love a little grudge match !!!!!
Sounds like a blast... R should I say boost LOL
I have 3.23 for it so once I get it out I'm gonna swap em.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 03:03 PM
I think if you don't have access to a bender you could buy bends or a kit of bends and weld pice by pice as you fit it all together.
Would probably flow better than what I bent up LOL
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 03:12 PM
Rock do you have any pictures of the set-up? drivers side, pass side, undercarriage.... I like the idea of a single set-up vs. Twins. The hugger style headers look like they would work well.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 03:34 PM
No I don't really have any of the drivers side but a can get some once I get the car back out.
Did you see the post on whare I found the headers?
They fit ok on a B body if your fussy but if your on a budget then they fit perfect LOL
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 03:37 PM
I just tried to load a pic of the 383 on the dyno looking at it from the front by the turbo but it keeps saying the pic is to large WTH!!!!!
Posted By: cudadoug
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 10:58 PM
Mr. Chip, Resize the pic...to max size of 640 x 480 px.
I've never been much of a "forced induction" guy, but you and Dizuster have me T H I N K I N G...
See, I have a well built 30K 360 with ported 587 heads for a 69 Dart project I'm tinkering with...
Man, my "NA" buddies would chit their britches!
Posted By: TheOtherDodge
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 11:15 PM
As for headers, a set of shorties (flipped) will support 800 hp with no problem.
Posted By: 69B3GT
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/24/13 11:59 PM
I may have to start selling off my nitrous parts before I even use them now
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/25/13 04:17 AM
I don't know if I have s resize option on my phone
I do most my surfing from it but I could send it to my home pc and see if I can figure it out
Nitrous is fun till the bottle goes empty !!!!!
Turbo won't go empty LOL
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/25/13 11:48 AM
On the blow through carb setup anything special need to be done to the carb?
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/25/13 01:26 PM
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On the blow through carb setup anything special need to be done to the carb?
there are a bunch of things you have to do. You'll need Nitofil floats and some other things. I sent mine to Scott at SCDE.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/25/13 10:37 PM
The carb is a verry important part of making everthing work.
From when I started this project I did what I thaught was right going by posts and figures other people are running but once I put it on the dyno I found out my carb was out to lunch
So 2 areas I wouldn't skimp on carb and fuel system.
I can give my carb specs just send a message
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 03:04 PM
I'm just trying to get a clear idea on what the modifications are and why they are needed.
If I have to buy or send out my carb its no longer considered budget to me.
I am capable of rebuilding most carbs but I am not familiar when it comes to playing with turbos.
Posted By: TheOtherDodge
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 03:48 PM
My understanding is that you can make a carb to work but your part throttle driving can be hard to tune.
With a carb you will need some sort of boost retard and you will have to buy a wide band. With EFI, you have all of that, plus the ability to add other sensors later on. And tuning in much more easy.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 04:12 PM
I'd love to do efi but the problem is finding a suitable controller.
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 04:18 PM
http://www.hangar18fabrication.com/blowthru.htmlLots of guys using this mod for blow through. This is only for gas though, no e85.
I wanted to do my own carb too, but i figured by the time I spent screwing around getting it right, dyno/test and tune money, I'd be further ahead just buying one.
I got mine from Eric at Horsepower Innovations. Carb has been awesome, and some of the best tech/customer service I've ever received on any part in my life. Worth every penny spent being able to start the car up for the first time, and instantly going out to enjoy it.
http://www.horsepowerinnovations.com/concrete/
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 04:48 PM
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I'd love to do efi but the problem is finding a suitable controller.
I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
My brothers shop just built a 1100 hp blown ls gto on E85 using a stock LS computer...it's amazing what these PCM's are capable of.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 05:08 PM
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I'd love to do efi but the problem is finding a suitable controller.
I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
My brothers shop just built a 1100 hp blown ls gto on E85 using a stock LS computer...it's amazing what these PCM's are capable of.
What vehicle is the pcm out of? The problem around here is there isn't many pick a parts. I have plenty of salvage yards and I haven't seen a brain box cheaper than $100 lately. They were going $50 5 years ago.
The next problem I saw was finding a way to program the said brain box without spending a fortune. Check prices on EFI Live and you will catch my drift. I just don't see it being practical. I'd have to do multiple vehicles to recoup the cost.
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 05:25 PM
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I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
What did you do for the crank trigger? Seems like that would be the toughest part. Then what are you tuning with?
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 05:55 PM
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I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
What did you do for the crank trigger? Seems like that would be the toughest part. Then what are you tuning with?
It wouldn't be the most accurate but the distributor pickup could be used for trigger. A more expensive option would be an MSD crank trigger setup.
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 06:37 PM
You can't use a distributor. The EFI needs to know where #1 is.
Regular MSD crank trigger doesn't work either because the EFI watches for 28 (can't remember the GM reluctor wheel count?) pulses per rev.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 06:45 PM
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You can't use a distributor. The EFI needs to know where #1 is.
Regular MSD crank trigger doesn't work either because the EFI watches for 28 (can't remember the GM reluctor wheel count?) pulses per rev.
Oh so the real problem is the cam sensor and not the crank sensor.
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 07:08 PM
Exactly. But new motors don't use cam sensors anymore because of variable cam timing, so they use the crank with a reluctor wheel to know where #1 is. I was just wondering how to do this on a GM computer with an old mopar crank.
BTW... sorry totally off track to the original post... lol
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 07:49 PM
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I'd love to do efi but the problem is finding a suitable controller.
I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
My brothers shop just built a 1100 hp blown ls gto on E85 using a stock LS computer...it's amazing what these PCM's are capable of.
What vehicle is the pcm out of? The problem around here is there isn't many pick a parts. I have plenty of salvage yards and I haven't seen a brain box cheaper than $100 lately. They were going $50 5 years ago.
The next problem I saw was finding a way to program the said brain box without spending a fortune. Check prices on EFI Live and you will catch my drift. I just don't see it being practical. I'd have to do multiple vehicles to recoup the cost.
You can get the 411 PCM out of any 1998 to 2002 GM V8 or V6 Truck or F-body, etc.
As far as tuning goes....any LS1 tuner show can do it for you, that's what every Chevy guy does. LS1 tuners are everywhere.....
OR...buy HPtuners software for $499.00 or even cheaper used (I've seen the software for $350 used). I can afford the software when the PCM only cost $33. I bought another PCM on ebay for $25+shipping=like $40 or so total.
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 08:01 PM
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You can't use a distributor. The EFI needs to know where #1 is.
Regular MSD crank trigger doesn't work either because the EFI watches for 28 (can't remember the GM reluctor wheel count?) pulses per rev.
Ati and innovators west (i believe) can make you a balancer with all that built in. And you use the distributor for that cam sync but cutting off 7 reluctors and using the one left to dictate #1
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 08:08 PM
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I'm working on a budget system right now for my 440, 411 LS1 computer with coil on plug ignition on a BB mopar. I pd $33 for the PCM at the local pick-a-part. I hope to have a full writeup on it on moparts before spring fling in a few months.
What did you do for the crank trigger? Seems like that would be the toughest part. Then what are you tuning with?
I mounted a stock LS1 crank reluctor on a stock crank pulley and used a AndyF crank sensor bracket to mount the sensor on.
For a cam sensor...I took a gutted distributor and mounted a 1X sensor and reluctor in it from a Vortec pickup motor from the junkyard...cost me about $35 at the pick-a-part. I should start another post will all this stuff in it with pics, etc. I took a bunch while doing it....I was just planning on waiting until it was running so I could be the first to do it....lol.
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 08:09 PM
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Exactly. But new motors don't use cam sensors anymore because of variable cam timing, so they use the crank with a reluctor wheel to know where #1 is. I was just wondering how to do this on a GM computer with an old mopar crank.
BTW... sorry totally off track to the original post... lol
All the LS motors except for the very newest ones still used a cam sensor.
Posted By: Von
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 08:56 PM
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[I should start another post will all this stuff in it with pics, etc. I took a bunch while doing it....I was just planning on waiting until it was running so I could be the first to do it....lol.
Awesome!!!! 
That will be a priceless thread. I plant on going turbo. So EFI would be double cool. Will look forward to your post!
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 09:00 PM
Will do!
I'm trying to get all my pictures together as I redid my laptop so wouldn't lose them...lol. It may have been on one of my external drives in the safe....
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 09:15 PM
I also wanted to try a efi setup from a ls deal but
I kept it more simple.
I wouldn't mind going that rout later on though.
That post on doing your own carb is a good start, the E85 sorta throws the numbers off though
I also have 2 power valves on my carb
It kept the cylinder temp more even
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 11:03 PM
carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/26/13 11:13 PM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
easier yes...but if you buy a setup forced induction carb, not that much cheaper than my setup once you figure in the ignition and tunability that comes built in the LS1 ignition/Efi.
Posted By: prochargedhemi
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 01:05 AM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
MSD has a digital ignition box (#6530) that has a map sensor. you can program all your timing maps from a laptop and put in set amounts or boost per timing tables
Posted By: topbrent
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 02:31 AM
Using the LSx coils and 24x reluctor setup would allow for use of the several good systems on the market, in addition to the GM PCM.
Mega Squirt is very popular in the turbo LSX world.
For carb use, I would imagine that you could use the stand alone plug and play type boxes like the
MSD 6010/6LS and the
Mallory Firestorm.
Neat stuff. Excited to see some developments as they happen.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 05:11 PM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
easier yes...but if you buy a setup forced induction carb, not that much cheaper than my setup once you figure in the ignition and tunability that comes built in the LS1 ignition/Efi.
I paid about $200 for my carb to be boost preped, $50 for my MSD delay box...
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 05:24 PM
Which MSD box?
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 05:33 PM
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Which MSD box?
boost delay/retard box, mounts under the dash so you can drop timing out. Got it used off of e-bay. I already had MSD on the car.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 05:52 PM
I think the efi is nice but for the majority of people that want to build something like what I have I'm shure most will run a carb.
It's easy and way cheaper, to mod a 750-800 dp Holley
Only takes time, and Msd, Mallory ignition can be found cheap
For a hyfire 6 al with the big coil and a dual point dizzy I paid 35 bucks and I don't need a labtop or any other computer savy stuff to tune it in
Dizzy locked out @ 28 that's it no boost retard
Surf eBay and Craigslist for carbs and parts
For some one that wants to make numbers like what I have I would suggest checking the guys that run dirt roundy round stuff.
And start with a Alky carb, make shure it has power valve circuit
For someone that don't want to turn the wick up that far a normal dp Holley works fine
Posted By: Quicksilver440
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/27/13 07:15 PM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
easier yes...but if you buy a setup forced induction carb, not that much cheaper than my setup once you figure in the ignition and tunability that comes built in the LS1 ignition/Efi.
I paid about $200 for my carb to be boost preped, $50 for my MSD delay box...
I hear you...but you are not counting the cost of the carb you are modifing in your comparison. Also the cost of the carb hat (kinda expensive)....you wouldn't need one depending on what style throttle body you went with. Also what about the guy starting from scratch. I'm not saying this option is for everyone...it should at least be considered though.
I could efi a motor for $800-900....thats not that bad, and certainly cheaper than a 6-pak setup, etc. Also, that includes a fully adjustable and powerful ignition system.
I'll bow out of this thread now....I didn't mean to take it off topic.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/28/13 04:45 AM
No prob !!!!!
My carb was 35 when I picked it up at a swap meet with what I replaced its 200 with carb purchase included
Carb hat specter, black one 80 bucks
Regulator holley 10 bucks new from eBay
Fuel pump 219.00 shipped to my door BG 400 with new seals eBay
So I prolly have 600 into everything fuel system related, If I can inject my car for that and still run 10s I'm on board
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/28/13 05:16 PM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
easier yes...but if you buy a setup forced induction carb, not that much cheaper than my setup once you figure in the ignition and tunability that comes built in the LS1 ignition/Efi.
I paid about $200 for my carb to be boost preped, $50 for my MSD delay box...
I hear you...but you are not counting the cost of the carb you are modifing in your comparison. Also the cost of the carb hat (kinda expensive)....you wouldn't need one depending on what style throttle body you went with. Also what about the guy starting from scratch. I'm not saying this option is for everyone...it should at least be considered though.
I could efi a motor for $800-900....thats not that bad, and certainly cheaper than a 6-pak setup, etc. Also, that includes a fully adjustable and powerful ignition system.
I'll bow out of this thread now....I didn't mean to take it off topic.
$50 for a used 750DP, $100 for the prform main body, Can't recall how much the floats and rebuild kit were... I bought the hat on special. It was a plastic unit that Superior was discontinuing I think it was $80. Like I said look around for bargins. You could EFI a motor for 8-900 but could Joe Hotrodder do it? And yes 6-packs aren't cheap. I could have spent less and boosted this engine, but it was already 11.2:1..... Next time.....
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/29/13 01:03 AM
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carb isn't an issue. MSD had a boost delay/retard box you can add on. It lets you drop from .5* to 4* per lb of boost. The carb and the delay box are a much easier instal than a EFI set-up and WAY cheaper.
easier yes...but if you buy a setup forced induction carb, not that much cheaper than my setup once you figure in the ignition and tunability that comes built in the LS1 ignition/Efi.
I paid about $200 for my carb to be boost preped, $50 for my MSD delay box...
I hear you...but you are not counting the cost of the carb you are modifing in your comparison. Also the cost of the carb hat (kinda expensive)....you wouldn't need one depending on what style throttle body you went with. Also what about the guy starting from scratch. I'm not saying this option is for everyone...it should at least be considered though.
I could efi a motor for $800-900....thats not that bad, and certainly cheaper than a 6-pak setup, etc. Also, that includes a fully adjustable and powerful ignition system.
I'll bow out of this thread now....I didn't mean to take it off topic.
$50 for a used 750DP, $100 for the prform main body, Can't recall how much the floats and rebuild kit were... I bought the hat on special. It was a plastic unit that Superior was discontinuing I think it was $80. Like I said look around for bargins. You could EFI a motor for 8-900 but could Joe Hotrodder do it? And yes 6-packs aren't cheap. I could have spent less and boosted this engine, but it was already 11.2:1..... Next time.....
Joe Hotrodder with very little carb tuning experience will pull his hair out trying to tune the thing with a carb and blowtru until he figures it out, as me how I know...EFI especially GM or Megasquirt ecms have alot of support when you get to working with them and a factory style (GM) computer will come closer to keeping itself regulated while your trying to get it figured out, unlike a carb that will go lean and kill your motor without warning. Given I do have more of a background with fuel injection so I guess my opinion might be biased, but there are plenty of places to look for idiot proof step by step wiring diagrams and instructions for low buck EFI systems.
That being said, my car is blowthru carbed but If I had it to do over again I would have saved a few more bucks and went EFI from the start. My car will be EFI soon hopefully with drive by wire and all.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/29/13 01:41 AM
???Slow I had zippy boost knowledge and did ok. I let a pro do the carb. Gave him all the specs and it ran perfect out of the box. I only jetted up the rears by 2. I had a few people explain to me how easy it was, and the more I listend the more I wanted to send it out.
The next build might be EFI...dunno yet. Depends on cost.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/30/13 07:17 AM
Carb tuning is a art all its own that's for shure.
Lucky for me I know my way around carbs weather its a rc model to my blow threw stuff
I have never been scared of messing with any carb, that's how you learn
If I did things how its " supposed " to be I wouldn't be running what I have.
For those of you who like the idea of doing your own carb just hit me up.
Posted By: MPerry
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/30/13 12:35 PM
I'm going to take a shot at building a blowthrough carb when I get around to it. I won't be running E85 though.
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/30/13 02:14 PM
hey Rock if you ever get pics of the drivers side, the bottom and looking down please post them. I'm noodling a build like that..was going to use 2 turbos but I like how simple yours looks.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/30/13 10:08 PM
Mperry if your setting your carb up for gas you shouldn't have a problem.
I do have a few more pics of engine compartment but I can't post them it says there to large
Yes how I routed the pipe was verry simple
Making the Y was the hardest, my first attempt looked better but the pipe split so the one on the car don't look as nice but works LOL
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/31/13 02:22 AM
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Mperry if your setting your carb up for gas you shouldn't have a problem.
I do have a few more pics of engine compartment but I can't post them it says there to large
Yes how I routed the pipe was verry simple
Making the Y was the hardest, my first attempt looked better but the pipe split so the one on the car don't look as nice but works LOL
Flowmaster makes a Y-pipe that's 2x2.5's into a 3" They might even make it into a 3.5. It's not that expensive.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/31/13 04:51 AM
Art lesson for today LOL
This is a crude drawing of how my pipe is made.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/31/13 04:55 AM
I don't think there is enough room to fit that Flowmaster Y but you could try it or re configure it a bit with some cutting and rewelding
I just figured out how to lower my resolution on my phone.
Once I get it out more pics will be posted !!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 09:28 PM
Well I tried to make the pic smaller, this is the 383 on the dyno
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 09:31 PM
I can't wait for this snow to disappear !!!!!!!
I have all the stuff for a few upgrades
Posted By: GTX MATT
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 10:41 PM
YES THIS IS AWESOME. I always hated turbo/supercharged cars, but once you own one and start driving it you will realize BOOST IS COOL.
On top of the fact that this turbo is so cheap, you're doing it with a lowly stock 383. I wonder how it would respond to a bigger cam. I know the 4 cylinder turbo cams usually utilize a wide LSA and less duration on the exhaust lobe.
Anyone know how the size of this turbo compares to other, more better known sizes?
Oh and is it a 2 or 4 barrel 383?
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 10:57 PM
I plan on freshening the 383 up one of these days but for now I'm just having fun with it
It is a 4bbl engine
If I end up going threw it ill look into a more boost type grind
Once you have seat of the pants feel of what the car did NA and what its capable with boost you will never go back !!!!!!
Posted By: GTX MATT
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 10:59 PM
Any inter cooler? I assume this is an external waste gate turbo correct?
Is it coolant fed or just oiled? What kind of mods for oil return? Boost controller?
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:06 PM
The pic should answer your wastegate and intercooler question
It's journal bearing, oil only
Only oil return mod was using a Sharp chisel to punch a hole in the pan.
I used a npt nipple fitting and some super silicone they use to glue Phord diesels together.
That's it !!!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:14 PM
Here is another of it on the pump
Posted By: GTX MATT
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:22 PM
Gotcha just getting ahead of myself!
Link to you video is below, sounds tough!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ux_0zeEG9IThat thing is extremely impressive, especially considering NO INTERCOOLER!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:30 PM
Thanks for posting the link !!!!!!
Hands down its the most fun car I own !!!!! Second is my 11 second 318 Poly
And that's NOT using the sneeze !!!!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:34 PM
Here is a pic of the Poly
Haven't used the sneeze yet !!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:42 PM
A pic of after dyno, waiting to go back into service !!!!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/28/13 11:45 PM
I think the turbo inlet is black from exhaust from the wastegate, I don't have any pipe on it.
Posted By: cudaman1967
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/03/13 04:22 PM
I have a s480 with race cover. Put motor in cuda back in 2009. Just pulled out over winter to freshen up. I have a CSU 1050 dominator on it. 446 cube with a 580 flat tappet turbo cam.
Posted By: cudaman1967
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/03/13 04:24 PM
I have been 8.84 154mph. I drive it everywhere. Very realiable and driveable. 15 lbs boost, water meth kit, pump gas.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/04/13 06:03 AM
That's pritty sweet !!!!!
I was thinking about getting race covers for my S475 if they make them.
Once weather gets better I'm gonna drag it out and see if I can get the S475 to fit.
Then its fuel system time !!!!
Posted By: Mr.Yuck
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/04/13 05:42 PM
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I have been 8.84 154mph. I drive it everywhere. Very realiable and driveable. 15 lbs boost, water meth kit, pump gas.
care to share any more info on the set-up? I'd like to go boosted for the next build. Nothing like high eights but I'd like to be able to drive to M/D (50 miles) or MIR (65miles) run low 10's and drive home.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/04/13 07:11 PM
I wouldn't mind some of your build specs either.
I have a Bee that is still in the progress of getting twins
But I might set it up for some street duty.
Posted By: Black_Bee
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/04/13 09:31 PM
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A pic of after dyno, waiting to go back into service !!!!
I love what you're doing here... as with a ton of people, I eventually want to run a homebuilt turbo on my Super Bee and have been off and on planning things for a while. Im sure the ratio of people that plan a turbo build to people that actually do a turbo build is 100:1 so good job on getting it done!
Anyway, how big is your downpipe, and did you have any trouble routing it down the firewall and under the car? Also, is it hooked up to an exhaust system? Are you planning on routing the wastegate out of the engine pay, or just continue dumping it?
Thanks!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 03/05/13 03:35 AM
If memory serves me rite the pipe is 3.5
It's a bit tite with the column shift linkage but it fits.
It dumps just below the drivers seat or should I say bench LOL
No muffler needed, its very quiet until you get after it then its just turbo whistle
I don't plan on a pipe on the wastegate yet
If the car was really nice then I prolly would
I like racing it cause it looks scabby, its always fun pounding a fox body or camaro up there assess after they just wiped on a fresh coat of race glaze LOL
Posted By: Cincylance
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 04/22/13 03:06 AM
Wow, so what would a turbo add to a 625hp 472ci Hemi w/10.5:1?
Very interesting!
Cincylance
Posted By: HOTMOPR
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 04/22/13 06:11 AM
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I have a s480 with race cover. Put motor in cuda back in 2009. Just pulled out over winter to freshen up. I have a CSU 1050 dominator on it. 446 cube with a 580 flat tappet turbo cam.
That thing looks awesome! I havent seen it since you got it painted! Your car is what pushed me to turbos from nitrous! Id like to know more about your tuning set up. Timing? how are you running the water meth? Mixture? I have mine about done again after cooking the last set of pistons..
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 12/31/13 10:44 AM
Budget Turbo Belvedere is still alive and kicking !!!!!
Switched to M1 but haven't got a chance to run it yet.
Who on here put a little boost to there Mopar?!!!
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 12/31/13 03:14 PM
My little 318 is still chugging along after 2 hard years. Number 8 piston still has a nice crack in in but I haven't eaten any head gaskets lately
I am at the limit of head/cam now makes abunch of power then feels like it hits a wall with the boost still climbing. I'm waiting to kill this motor before I swap my 360 in but it just won't die!! It does have a N20 kit now so when the track opens I'll either finish it off or my 60' will pick up
It's alot of fun on the street but most of the local people have figured it out so stoplight challenges don't happen much anymore
Posted By: cudaman1969
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/02/14 10:22 PM
Please keep this post going guys, I want to learn as much as I can. Turbo size is what's the most confusing right now for me. I have a nice 360 Magnum with the m1 intake that I think this would be perfect for. I leaning the EFI way right now since it seems cheeper if starting from scratch. These cars are supper!
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/02/14 11:52 PM
For a smaller displacement street motor, go with a .81-.96 turbine A/R and a decent compressor size. I bought the 1.05 A/R housing and it spools SSLLOOWWW on my 318. I wish I would have known more and I would have got something smaller.
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/03/14 01:17 AM
That's where I don't agree. Mine is a 1.32 A/R and a 96mm wheel...
With a 2600 (on motor only) stall. I could foot brake 1200rpm into the beams, grab the trans brake and floor it as soon as I staged the car. I could be to 10psi before the bottom bulb went on without an issue.
So zero boost to full boost in 1 second. I can also go from 8psi to 20psi in under a second after a I let go of the trans brake.
Just depends on what your definition of "slow" spooling is I guess. But mine is not bad at all in my opinion.
Here is a video of mine from rolling on the throttle in the car... you can hear it doesn't take long to spool up at all.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-3Ko4PYG9SvUUJGYXZQTkdQa28Here is one from a roll in first that I flat foot it. (you can hear the big ol' pedal hit the floor... lol
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-3Ko4PYG9SvY0QxMXluaUdhUWcThat being said, after I tightened the converter so it will only go to 2200rpm on motor, it's absolutely TERRIBLE on spool up. But I blame the converter, not the turbo A/R.
Just like anything, you just need to match the components to make them work good.
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/03/14 02:25 AM
I imagine mine would spool well on a tbrake but off the footbrake with a tight converter it sucks
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/03/14 02:39 AM
I believe that!
Plus with the 318, it isn't exactly a torque monster without the turbo.
Posted By: SLOW67
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/03/14 02:41 AM
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I believe that!
Plus with the 318, it isn't exactly a torque monster without the turbo.
I'm ready for my 360 to be in but I'm going to swap to the glide first with a better converter and see what the 318 will do all out. O yeah and it's got 100hp worth of nitrous for that too lol
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/08/14 06:49 AM
It's winter here so I won't have any updates till spring.
M1 is VP Methanol for those that think it's a intake.
Pic is from Cordova World series 2014.
If your still building boost but it topped out you need a bigger exhaust housing, or complete bigger turbo
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/15/14 12:37 PM
Oops World series 2013, but we will be there in 2014
Posted By: GI Moparman
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/19/14 05:10 AM
Really liking the idea of putting a turbo on 383 in a slick old f5 belvedere 1 4door. Any advantages/disadvantages of using a 4 speed with that engine set up?
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/19/14 05:12 AM
4 speed won't build boost as easy as an automatic will. No converter to load against at the starting line, no "flash stall" to make RPM from a roll.
Posted By: GI Moparman
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/19/14 05:37 AM
I meant 65 not f5. So if I was to use a basicly stock engine, small cam, would a stock convertor work? Say a 2200 stall?
Posted By: dizuster
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 01/19/14 05:21 PM
Just depends on what you're goals are. But if you keep the boost down, it won't break parts.
Anything will make power with boost. I think quickd100 has proven that.
Stock 318...
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7933900
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 02/07/14 07:55 AM
A tight 3500 stall made a night and day difference in mine.
But I have a Comp 280,480 cam in it also.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/05/20 01:45 PM
It's been ages since I've been on here.
The budget turbo Belvedere is still kicking, Msd 7531 box, C&S Aresol and a much larger turbo.
383 is still basically stock.
Hopefully I'll get it back to the track eventually!
Posted By: ZIPPY
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/06/20 01:44 PM
Welcome back
Posted By: TonyS451
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/07/20 02:42 PM
Cool, glad to hear the old Belvy is still running!
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/07/20 07:52 PM
Here is a pic @ Cordova for the World Series 2015. 62 years straight.
Last time they had that event before new owners moved it.
Posted By: RockChip
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/07/20 07:58 PM
Foot brake column shift bench seat.
I melted the stock cast pistons before this launch.
I warmed it up on the return road.
My timing map was messed up somehow.... O well
I think the old girl held up good to 7 years if 20+ lbs of boost non intercooled.
Posted By: Black_Bee
Re: budget turbo Belvedere still alive and well - 07/07/20 08:02 PM
Here is a pic @ Cordova for the World Series 2015. 62 years straight.
Last time they had that event before new owners moved it.
I posted in this thread back in 2013 regarding my future 383 turbo plans for my '69 Super Bee... though Id share that I finally built mine and took it out for its maiden voyage just a few days ago.
