My New Bullet; a 454 Small block

My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/14/13 11:43 PM

As most of you know, my last engine met an untimely demise. If you wish to review, that thread can be seen HERE

Many have asked over the past few months what the old motor was/is being replaced with, and assuming you read the title of this post before clicking, you now have your answer. I bought this engine complete, and have taken it down to the block and am replacing and upgrading where I feel is warranted and my budget will allow.

Here are the specifics:

Siamese, 59 degree R3, bushed lifter bores
BPE 4.25" crank
4.125 bore
Venolia Flat Top piston
12.75:1
6.125" Eagle H beam
Brodix B1-MC's by Koffel
Crane cam .619/.641 278/284@.050 108 LSA
Comp 8043 lifters
T&D 1.5 ratio paired rockers
Pushrod oiling
Ritter 420 intake, ported and opened up to Dominator flange
BG 1050 Dominator, will probably get converted for E85 use.
Hooker 2" headers 3.5" collector meant for W2/W5 application with adapter plates.
Crank trigger
CSR water pump

Intake Flow@28"
0.100 83
0.200 150
0.300 205
0.400 255
0.450 275
0.500 281
0.550 290
0.600 300
0.650 310
0.700 315

The block and rotating assembly are at the machine shop, they should be making their way back to me this week! Then the reassembly begins.

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Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/14/13 11:46 PM

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Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/14/13 11:47 PM

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/14/13 11:50 PM

Unknown lifters we believe to be Cranes, compared to the 8043 Comps. Thank you Brian at IMM for pushing to have these made.

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Posted By: greendart408

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 12:12 AM

Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 01:25 AM

That is gonna be a bad hot rod man! Good to see you'll be back up and running shortly. Congrats!

Wes

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:23 AM

That's nice and although I'm not one to judge I never liked those Brodix heads. I haven't seen any car with those heads that really runs strong, I sincerly hope yours is the exception though. Good luck.

Posted By: Quicktree

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:29 AM

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That's nice and although I'm not one to judge I never liked those Brodix heads. I haven't seen any car with those heads that really runs strong, I sincerly hope yours is the exception though. Good luck.

yikes thats what I was thinking. those cubes would like more head I think but it still should run good

Posted By: Forest

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:29 AM

Very Nice! Outta run hard

Posted By: mshred

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:37 AM

Damn Dustin, you went BIG! Nice!

What in the motor are you changing? Or is the stuff you listed going to be the final setup for it?

If I remember correctly you had an 8 point bar in the car right? Might need a 10 point cage now lol

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:38 AM

Looking Good Dustin...

Chris..

Posted By: cudadoug

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:43 AM

Glad to see you on the mend...

That moder will test them there Cal Tracs!!

Posted By: all spooled up

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:47 AM

nice that should do the job

ps did it come from houston texas

Posted By: Hitman340

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:53 AM

You got some good looking stuff there. I bet your going to be pleased with the finished product.

Posted By: MattW

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:54 AM

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Unknown lifters we believe to be Cranes, compared to the 8043 Comps. Thank you Brian at IMM for pushing to have these made.

Could we have a picture of the lifter gallery?

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 03:08 AM

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nice that should do the job ps did it come from houston texas

Fireguy or something like that? His car should have run well into the 9's but only ran like 10 0's?

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 03:10 AM

Everything I listed is how it is going back together. Parts were changed for various reasons.

This image is with the old lifters as I took it apart.

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Posted By: MattW

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 03:14 AM

Thx you just answered a bunch of questions I had. Matt

Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 03:15 AM

I would love to have that short block. Good luck to you.

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 03:20 AM

You might want to buy a couple of the Summit brand phenolic one inch thick Dominator spacers and try them, one and then two

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 04:42 AM

The plenum is fairly sizeable as it sits, but I was planning on experimenting with spacers anyway. The car is still only legal to 10.0, and its heavy.

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Posted By: J_BODY

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 05:30 AM

....I had more fun pm'ing you asking questions about it!! That had you thinking! Hope it runs hard for you!!!

Posted By: Stroker Scamp

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 06:00 AM

good luck with the new motor, guess your not gonna drive this one to the track

Posted By: DavidDean

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 06:05 AM

That short block looks like a combo I'm familiar with. Otta be fun. Making any changes such as cam or heads?

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 06:22 AM

I might be dumb enough to drive it to the track just to do it. We'll see, I can tell you that its gonna be driven on the street still.

Cam is the one it came with, kind of old school but for now it works. The heads were treated to new valves, springs and just a good check up and cleaning. If budget wasn't a concern it would have an Indy or W9 on top of it, probably will in the future. For now these heads shall get the job done.

Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 06:43 AM

More picx, of those B1's will be nice!

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:13 AM

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More picx, of those B1's will be nice!

I don't have any good pictures of the short turn. Would need to pull the valves out for those.

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Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:17 AM

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Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:25 AM

This is before said cleaning and freshen.

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Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:26 AM

last one for now, this is obviously before....

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Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:49 AM

Shoulda bouoght a big block

Posted By: b1dartsport

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:06 PM

Good luck with it Dustin. I hope it works out for you. Keep posting when you get it to the track.

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:16 PM

Quote:

Shoulda bouoght a big block

Lighten up Al, He's now a member of the B1-aires Boys Club.
Pint Size edition..

Chris..

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:54 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Shoulda bouoght a big block

Lighten up Al, He's now a member of the B1-aires Boys Club.
Pint Size edition..

Chris..

...you can take the boy out of the Stage VI's......but you can't take the Stage VI's out of the boy!

So what was the deal with those Brodix heads? I know they were spendy, but I'm sure the castings are good. Was the potential there?

Posted By: greendart408

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 02:58 PM

Dustin,
What size valves and also what cc are the intake runners in the heads??

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 04:27 PM

J, correct. Very expensive, very good casting from a quality perspective. Never caught on due to cost, need for aftermarket equipment and poor port layout. I haven't seen any other small block MC engines out there. Ryan got pretty good numbers from a set, you can check flow numbers and more on his site.

Ryan, 2.15/1.60 and like .050 long from what Brodix supplied. I'd have to check my notes. Combustion chamber is 65.2cc, and intake port was never measured. Brodix claims 240+ as cast so they're obviously bigger than that, but suffer from the 59 degree push rod limitations.

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 06:22 PM

So then BabyB1 is his new moniker

Posted By: Otherlane

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:25 PM

I wanted the brodix but Ryan talked me out of it.

Posted By: FIREGUY12

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 07:44 PM

He should be able to run in the 9's. I know

Posted By: StrokerAspen

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 08:39 PM

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He should be able to run in the 9's. I know

I agree. Its gotta work better than my W2 Econo headed 468ci. Haha. And I am pretty happy with how mine carries up the RPM scale. Cam is very similar to mine, less lift.

-Kenny

Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/15/13 09:18 PM

That should be a nice little powerhouse for sure...........

Posted By: tubtar

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 01:11 AM

I agree with the " it would like more head " sentiment.
Wouldn't we all ?

But it is going to be a brute I think.
I have a sneaky suspicion that you will need to figure out how to keep in out of the 9's.
Let me know what you find , because I think I'll be facing the same issue.

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 03:08 AM

BabyB1, I've been called worse.

I don't think it will go 9's, not in my car anyways weighing 34-3500#. In a lighter car absolutely. If it does, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Lenny @ Ultimate is doing a converter for the combo. Should be a good bit faster than it was.

Posted By: BPE

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 03:21 AM

Something tells me you want it to fast but consistent more than anything. I think you will be fine in both categories.

Rod

Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 03:25 AM

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So then BabyB1 is his new moniker

Has a nice RING to it doesn't it?

Posted By: wyoming

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 03:35 AM

Dusten, good luck with the new engine, would think you'll be fine being the chaser, should be chasing a lot more often, redlights from 10.5 cars are nice, with your rep you'll be seeing lots of them.

Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 04:16 AM

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Something tells me you want it to fast but consistent more than anything. I think you will be fine in both categories.

Rod

And this is 110% correct. Consistency! Hoping a big broad torque curve will help in that department. Thank you for getting me the crank so quick Rod!

Posted By: ChrisJohnston669

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 06:32 AM

Many people do not understand that we aren't out to set records. We are there to win races..even in stock my wallet says I wouldn't be trying to set records haha. If I had Dustins wallet I'd own that Motorhome on the thread!

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 07:25 AM

Yeah he sure seems to have plenty of money. Makes ya wonder why he did not go BB

Hopefully everyone can understand it is about turning on win lights not who is fastest. That is an entirely different animal. I think you will be just fine and where you want to be with the new bullet. Some nice pieces for sure. Be interesting to see what those heads can really do if and when you ever decide to really get after them.

Posted By: tboomer

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/16/13 01:10 PM

Cool little block!!

Posted By: Just-a-dart

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/17/13 07:30 AM

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Unknown lifters we believe to be Cranes, compared to the 8043 Comps. Thank you Brian at IMM for pushing to have these made.

Thanks for posting the lifter pics, I was thinking about those for the next freshen up.

Glad to see a fun motor is going back in the car.

Posted By: ChrisJohnston669

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/20/13 01:57 AM

This thread would probably have more views if you were one of those guys that have more money than brains and bragged about how fast your car is on a little tire as if anyone gave a flying f.

Posted By: 69Cuda340S

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/20/13 03:47 PM

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Lenny @ Ultimate is doing a converter for the combo.

I had Lenny build a converter for my car, wow what a difference in performance. Car ran smoother too due to excellent converter balance, better idle, lower RPMs on the highway, and loads more torque. Lenny is the man.

Good luck with the build. That looks to be a very beastly combo...

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/20/13 04:07 PM

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This thread would probably have more views if you were one of those guys that have more money than brains and bragged about how fast your car is on a little tire as if anyone gave a flying f.

I WISH I was the person you were refering too! I'd love to be able to brag how fast my car is on a little tire.... alas, it will never be...

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/20/13 06:48 PM

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This thread would probably have more views if you were one of those guys that have more money than brains and bragged about how fast your car is on a little tire as if anyone gave a flying f.

Ouch.....

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/20/13 11:12 PM

Quote:

Quote:

This thread would probably have more views if you were one of those guys that have more money than brains and bragged about how fast your car is on a little tire as if anyone gave a flying f.

Ouch.....

Maybe that wasn't directed at you. Now if it said "blazingly fast, predictable, zerox maching of a fat tire car".....well, perhaps!

....btw Dustin, start planning your cage/rules/certification plan... or slow her down. It hooks.....it's going 9's

Posted By: fishy340

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 12:09 AM

Lmao good 1.

Posted By: ChrisJohnston669

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 02:52 AM

lol that was not directed at Al...Al knows he would be going faster with a small block...

Posted By: J_BODY

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 03:47 AM

Al is too hung up on that "Texas" thing.... everything gotta be "BIG"!

Posted By: DJVCuda

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 03:55 AM

good luck with it - looks killer!!!

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 04:26 AM

Well Chris and Dusting both know I aint real smart to begin with anyway.

Posted By: WHITEDART

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 04:33 AM

hey al you did not show up to get your nmca award last night at the edelbrock shop .they called you up to the stage to recive something I think you finished 8 or 9

Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: My New Bullet; a 454 Small block - 01/21/13 05:16 AM

No I did not make it out there. I wanted to but the wife got the flu so we stayed here. Hopefully they will be sending the swag to me. Not bad for a scrub who missed three races