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went edel victor,finish heads,mockup

Posted By: Clanton

went edel victor,finish heads,mockup - 12/07/12 02:46 AM

I made the big move today buying some victors for the car to replace the old iron on there.I will have some custom headers made before spring and be ready to go then I hope.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:19 AM

The heads need all the work done to them so I have a way to go but thay are new ootb so if I can I will get some nice port work done.

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Posted By: sam64

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:33 AM

just picked up a set with mw ports myself.
Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:35 AM

Nice stuff You giving them to Nick or Koffell's for the work?
They should breath real nice with that huffer on top
Gus

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:36 AM

COOL!I have to match my intaketo see what I need to do to get to that point.[BDS RB blower intake]
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:40 AM

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Nice stuff You giving them to Nick or Koffell's for the work?

Gus



good question.does Nick have a cnc program for them?

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Posted By: fourgearsavoy

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:51 AM

I really don't think Nick does CNC porting I haven't been to the shop in about a year though and he adds new equipment all the time.
It's usually just him and Bart with a die grinder and the flow bench
Gus

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Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 04:00 AM

I had these done at Hughes...

Congrats on the early Christmas present.

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Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 04:01 AM

Now you need some of these:

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 04:08 AM

I need a reciever groove put in for the O ring and I am using a KP440 so I would go to Koffels and give them some pics.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 04:10 AM

I am using HS rockers so I am going to give them a call on the .600 offset for the intake and see what they say in a 1.5
Posted By: Thumperdart

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 06:05 AM

NICE................ I`m going to ring out my rpm`s and go as quick as possible then step up to some max wedge anythings and see how much faster we can go. Should pick you up nicely w/the proper porting and valve job.
Posted By: Defbob

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 01:52 PM

That is turning into one bad motor
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 03:22 PM

I am getting better parts as the paycheck allows so on the heads I will get the pockets and cleanup the the rest done.I am sure it will cost another 1K$ to finish getting them running with rockers and pushrods.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/07/12 11:55 PM

here is an engine build with the head and .070 more lift.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...TrkPB09KOv0xNzw
Posted By: d7cook

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 08:19 AM

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Nice stuff You giving them to Nick or Koffell's for the work?

Gus



good question.does Nick have a cnc program for them?




https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...amp;Search=true
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 04:01 PM

Thank you that was helpfull!I am going to mockup the heads,intake today an an old engine.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 05:37 PM

testfit.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 05:38 PM

not too bad

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 05:42 PM

just some port matching realy. and most at the top about .100

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Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 05:43 PM

You could also have them hand ported instead of a one size fits all cnc port job.
I know cnc is the trend nowadays but just something to think about...!
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 05:59 PM

Thanks!I was thinking more on the hand porting and that is from a cost factor for now.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/08/12 11:51 PM

I measured the bolt hole depth and I will be able to use the studs I have in there.SWEET!
edelbrock
outside .930
inside 1.030
middle 3.370

factory iron +/- .005
1.000
.975
3.040
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 12:49 AM

I got the heads flowed.This is OOTB!
Posted By: roadhazard

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 12:55 AM

That exhaust is going to need some work

Hope to see these perform next year
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 04:42 AM

Are those CFM measurements at .100 to .800 valve lift?
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 04:44 AM

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Are those CFM measurements at .100 to .800 valve lift?



Yes
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 05:02 AM

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Are those CFM measurements at .100 to .800 valve lift?



Yes


Thanks
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 05:14 AM

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Are those CFM measurements at .100 to .800 valve lift?



Yes


Thanks



Well,Why do you ask ?LOL
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 08:25 AM

I was curious as to which numbers meant which numbers I'm assuming the second row is thw adapter use to flow at those numbers and the second line is the results in CFM, yes? Also what are the top numbers ?
Posted By: roadhazard

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:09 PM

Look like port dimensions to me
Posted By: tboomer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:24 PM

I am watching this one! Are those the standard 77929 Victors out of the box? Mine started out as the standard port but were ported to MW size..I am thinking I went overkill on this!!
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:43 PM

the heads are 77929.
1st # lift,2nd is flow range,3rd is flow in that range and last is calculated flow.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:45 PM

Thanks! Now I know I screwed up...Should have just did the essentials and saved a buttload of money...
Posted By: max_maniac

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:54 PM

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I am watching this one! Are those the standard 77929 Victors out of the box? Mine started out as the standard port but were ported to MW size..I am thinking I went overkill on this!!




Ted, this word should not even be in your vocabulary


Go have some fun


Russ
Posted By: BradH

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 03:55 PM

Those #s look higher on the intake and lower on the exhaust than I've seen for other OOB 77929 heads, so I'm not sure how comparable they are to the rest of the data I've seen for that model of head.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 04:09 PM

In the long run they are just #'s to start with and a big improvement over my iron heads and for me a very big move to make that I have waited to do for a long time so I am happy to say the least.
Posted By: Streetwize

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 04:24 PM

Clanton,

So you are Boosting the motor? Try to raise the mid to upper lifts, the intake needs volume more than raw CFM and great exhaust efficiency is also important; that's what makes the Indy-1 with it's big Intake port and excellent raised exhaust a real natural for blower apps. You want to improve the exhaust to intake bias % since getting air IN is not an issue with boost, and for the powerband you're looking at...you don't want or need a ton of RPM since your torque band is going to be EPIC and roots blower efficency drops (heat) and tends to act as a big brake on the crank past its designed flow rate. Good heads and a relatively slow blower ratio really works great....if you get the cam and timing right it's almost unbeatable and VERY RELIABLE.

I have the Chaoman stage VI's and the most impressive/important numbers are the mid lifts. Basically if you get your .400-.500 OOTB lift numbers to where your OOTB .500-.600 numbers are now and IMO you're all set. beyond that with the blower you just let the peak fall where they may beyond that. Cam selection will be critical, how big is the blower and what CID and static CR are you at. JE makes a nice blower/nitrous dish design. Run as long a rod as possible
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 04:38 PM

Yes the engine has a roots blower/carbs.The casting is rough around the valves and will improve a bunch in the low/mid range cleaning the chamber up and throat.The test bore size will help/hurt flow also so maybe it was done with a larger bore tube.The engine is a 446 3.75 stroke,9.4cr with the heads haveing a choke of 3.14sq.in. with 6800 rpm,.630/112lsa cam so I am sure my port air speed will be fine.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly! - 12/12/12 05:47 PM

Look at the advertised flow here.
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/cylheads/chrysler/bb_victor.shtml

and mine is not that far off.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/12/12 06:19 PM

here are some good cutaway pics of the ports and how much they can be opened.
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/engine/mopp_0804_edelbrock_victor_440/viewall.html
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/13/12 04:32 AM

I would like a picture of a cnc exh port if anyone has 1 PLEASE!
Thank you!
I have a cutaway pic in stock form.

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Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/13/12 04:44 AM

Not sure if this we help you but this guy does some beautiful work.
http://www.speierracingheads.com/BBMv3.3.htm
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/13/12 03:54 PM

Let me know if you want more pics.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/13/12 05:34 PM

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Let me know if you want more pics.



Thank you!Do you have a pic from chamber side without the valve?
What is the opening size on the exh exit?
Thanks for the great pics,help!
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/15/12 12:15 AM

My static CR at this time with the closed chamber head change is 9.28 and dynamic of about 7.7
Posted By: Jeremiah

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/15/12 06:40 AM

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Let me know if you want more pics.



Thank you!Do you have a pic from chamber side without the valve?
What is the opening size on the exh exit?
Thanks for the great pics,help!




I had a chance to work on my engines today but forgot my camera. I'll get back to it Monday after work and get some pics for you.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/15/12 02:38 PM

Thanks I appreciate you taking the time to do so! Good luck with your engines.
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/16/12 04:55 PM

Your gunna need your COMP licence too
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/16/12 05:12 PM

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Your gunna need your COMP licence too



at least I dont need a dr note with the IHRAuntel 150mph I think.
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/16/12 07:33 PM

I don't even know where the closest IHRA track is to me
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 12/16/12 09:15 PM

I guess I have been bored so I have been using the wallace calcs.Port speed will be 256 FPS[corrected] and the max velocity for that port csa/3.14 is 542fps at 6800 rpm.The gained cfm over my as working engine will be 70cfm with a hp rating anywhere from 1.4/2.0 hp per cfm N/A.The tune may change as far as fuel,timing but we will see.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/03/13 08:16 PM

I want to thank Koffels place for performing awsome work on my heads giving me performance I had only dreamed of from a std port opening.
Posted By: roadhazard

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/03/13 08:27 PM

You going to post some numbers Mike?
Let's see the sheet

Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/03/13 08:33 PM

The #'s are very good and when they are done all the way I will post them.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/03/13 09:15 PM

Please give us before and after numbers from the same bench. Those are the ones that count.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/03/13 10:13 PM

^They are.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/12/13 11:48 PM

the final results are in.
1)77.76
2)149.49
3)209.
4)266.11
5)321.75
6)351.00
7)357.75
8)362.25

exh
1)63.50
2)108.50
3)153.45
4)194.06
5)219.10
6)225.36
7)228.49
8)225.36

all with factory size int,exh opening.
Thank you Scott Koffel for the great work!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 12:50 AM

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the final results are in.
1)77.76
2)149.49
3)209.
4)266.11
5)321.75
6)351.00
7)357.75
8)362.25

exh
1)63.50
2)108.50
3)153.45
4)194.06
5)219.10
6)225.36
7)228.49
8)225.36

all with factory size int,exh opening.
Thank you Scott Koffel for the great work!





Did he give you the before numbers. To me they are as important as the final numbers and gives you a better comparison of how accurate a persons bench is. Lots of shops don't like to do that and its usually for a good reason.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 01:19 AM

The ootb # are on page 1!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 01:57 AM

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The ootb # are on page 1!




Sorry about that. I forgot about your earlier post with the before numbers. Looks like they stack up real nice against a ported 440-1 head. Do they come with a max wedge intake port Out of the box?
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 02:12 AM

There is a MW port in this head offered ootb.
Posted By: tboomer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 01:43 PM

Pretty good numbers! I will post my flow sheet when I get it. It will be interesting as we both started with the same 77929 heads. Radar Lechtenberg did mine and he also said he never saw a flow bench win a race yet!!
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 03:28 PM

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Pretty good numbers! I will post my flow sheet when I get it. It will be interesting as we both started with the same 77929 heads. Radar Lechtenberg did mine and he also said he never saw a flow bench win a race yet!!




Very true Ted but a flow bench can help you get to the finish line first.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 04:41 PM

I am excited just to have finely got some aluminum heads.
Posted By: moparmanjames

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 04:59 PM

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I am excited just to have finely got some aluminum heads.




I know the feeling, I was porting my own iron heads for years until 4 years ago when I scored some ported Indy SR's. Since then I've bought 2 sets of B1's, a set of Brad Anderson Hemi heads and I don't even have a hemi, and a chinese set of Victor copies.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 05:11 PM

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I am excited just to have finely got some aluminum heads.




I know the feeling, I was porting my own iron heads for years until 4 years ago when I scored some ported Indy SR's. Since then I've bought 2 sets of B1's, a set of Brad Anderson Hemi heads and I don't even have a hemi, and a chinese set of Victor copies.





That is crazy isn't it. I started racing in the 70's and never had a set of aluminum heads till I was going thru a divorce in 1990. I bought a set of B1Bs heads and have been going strong ever since. Here's a small list.
1 set B1Bs
3 sets B1's
2 sets 440-1's
2 set 440source
12 sets small block edelbrock.

I keep saying it but these are GREAT times for us MOPAR racers.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 05:54 PM

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The ootb # are on page 1!


I put the numbers together in one place, for easy comparison.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 08:32 PM

I made it tough on Scott to make more cfm by limiting the port.The bowl,port,valve job needed done so I did what I could.The bigger change in those flow# is I did have 280int/180exh cfm and now the victor flow.
Posted By: moparmanjames

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/13/13 09:16 PM

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I am excited just to have finely got some aluminum heads.




I know the feeling, I was porting my own iron heads for years until 4 years ago when I scored some ported Indy SR's. Since then I've bought 2 sets of B1's, a set of Brad Anderson Hemi heads and I don't even have a hemi, and a chinese set of Victor copies.





That is crazy isn't it. I started racing in the 70's and never had a set of aluminum heads till I was going thru a divorce in 1990. I bought a set of B1Bs heads and have been going strong ever since. Here's a small list.
1 set B1Bs
3 sets B1's
2 sets 440-1's
2 set 440source
12 sets small block edelbrock.

I keep saying it but these are GREAT times for us MOPAR racers.




Yep and with the price of machine work going up you might as well buy a new set of heads and just get whatever valve/spring combination you need for only a few bucks more.
It's funny though, head prices are coming down but rocker arms (good ones) are going up.
Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/21/13 09:00 PM

I called wiseco about my valve relief size in the piston because the Victors have 2.20 valves and the good news is the reliefs in the K373A3 pistons are 2.350 and .190 deep and I wont have to take the pistons out to do work for that.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 05:45 AM

I got the heads back and they look AWSOME!Thank you Scott for going over the details with me and tech info!

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 05:46 AM

exh

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 05:47 AM

bowls

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 05:48 AM

I bowl

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 05:52 AM

o ring,chamber

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 04:29 PM

I can progress to a bunch of things from push rod checking to intake,header mock up so over time get some and grab a

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 09:38 PM

Well my headers fit just as good as the iron heads,my valve to piston without the .090 head gasket is .450 and the center of the int valve[.110] is .130 to the valve relief edge,the pushrod needs more clearence on the head by .100 tested at max lift with a std rocker and measuring to the perch where it runs on the iron head and subtracting the added .400 offset on the hs rocker they make for the victor head.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 09:50 PM

here is the old headers bolted up.

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Posted By: Clanton

Re: went edel victor aluminum head finaly!Flow tested. - 01/24/13 09:53 PM

The valve covers fit nice but are close to the rockers.

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