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Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS.

Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 05:59 PM

Okay, I feel pretty blessed to have been able to have some nice door cars (all-out race or street cars) over the years. My problem has always been life (for good reason) getting in the way of doing any real racing versus just going to the track to make some hits, etc. The heads up door car thing has always been my favorite, but years ago at Norwalk I spent the weekend watching Eric, Pat and 440Jim bracket race. After witnessing those guys in action I departed the track with a whole new respect for what they were doing. I found out more about it versus just passing judgement.....lol.

Deep in the back of my mind I have always wanted a DRAGSTER; still do. I was speaking with Greg (gregsdart) about this last week. I haven't done much research yet, but figured a few guys on here can share their dragster info/experience.

Do they fit bigger guys (6'2/235).

How was the transition from a door car to a dragster? I assume it has to be a much different feel to have the wind in your face and being that low on the ground.

How are cost in maintaining one?

Do the class rules or certifications change often for these type cars?

Will my current NHRA license work or will I have to be re-licensed in this type of car?

Dragster School? Roy Hill or????

What Sportsman classes? Do they have a sportsman type heads up class? (Guess I need to actually start reading my national dragsters now....lol).

I know there are various different make/design of chassis, so whats a good setup and one to stear clear of?

Are there any good dragster forums to gain some good info/knowledge before taking the plunge?

I'd be buying a used one, so what are some of the important things I need to be aware of, looking for and questions to ask? What would be the age cut-off on the chassis build? Nothing older than 2-3 years old, or just depends on how much it was raced?

I'm sure there are plenty for sale, so not sure what powerplant. I'm guessing BBC is the most popular or most available.

At this point truck/trailer would not be the issue, its garage length/depth I have to worry about! My garage is pretty good size, but just not sure. I'd want a rear-engine dragster, but it can't be super long. Guess I need to get my tape measure out and go from there.

Lots of questions, so any help/info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks........
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 06:32 PM

they'll fit any size driver you can think of depending on cage size. you'll want to look into hoop width and cage height. hoop width is the inside dimension of the top frame rail hoop that wraps around the driver. normally 19" on the small side and 24 or more inches on the large size. there's plenty of cars around go sit in one

transition is no problem. only normal issues people have are burnout (you have to wail on it) and it's common for people to oversteer dragsters they don't need a lot of wheel input. you're also not turning one around in the space you're used to. you need to be careful backing up due to limited visibility

performance/dollar wise there is no less expensive car out there

nhra has changed a number of things over the years mostly with advanced et. if you want to run faster than 7.50 your car must be certified for 6 flat, requires a different driving suit, HANS device and i believe now a head sock

you will have to upgrade your license the wheelbase break is 125" and et break is 7.50. wouldn't worry about a school if you can drive a fast door car a dragster is a walk in the park. just spend a little time with someone that's driven them.

only heads up dragster classes i can think of off the top of my head is comp and you don't even want to go there unless you have major bucks. even top dragster (fast bracket racing) is getting nasty with plenty of 6 second cars at most races. of course there's super comp but that's an index 8.90 class still breakout rules

you have suspended, hard tail, slip tube etc. many guys these days are hung up on suspended cars. while they may work better at rough tracks and ride nicer imho many of them are FAT pigs. when you have a dragster weighing close to 2000# to me it's just wrong. it really depends on what you want to do. there are many quality chassis builders out there obviously budget is always part of the decision

spend some time on Bracket Talk

first decide what you want, make sure the car will fit you and it's not too long for your storage. most run in the 225-245" range these days. like any other race car you normally want one (if a roller) that hasn't been stripped of all the expensive goodies. most will be BBC powered, if by some chance you want to run a chrysler be careful because the chassis mounting can be an issue. you also want one with a current cert for the class you intend to run 6.00-7.50/7.50 and slower

if you shop you can get a serious deal. some time ago on RJ (long since sold) there was a super clean, low run, turn key, LOADED (like ATI case glide) up Miller four link with a BBC that iirc was running mid 7s or better for 24k. i mean this was a nice car and i can't believe it lasted as long as it did on there. personally i have no interest in running a BBC dragster but believe me i almost brought that one, i mean a deal is a deal.

it's like anything else Wes first decide what you want to do, how much you want to spend and then prepare to get your a$$ handed to you on a regular basis till you get the hang of it (and even then bring your A game every round). most decent tracks running a SP program where there's a lot of dragsters are brutal with regards to the competition level, these guys don't play.

people can bash bracket racing all they want and a lot of the time it's people that can't do it. test and tune stuff is cool and suits many racers but personally i prefer competition. now heads up stuff is just out of most guys (mine included) price range.
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 06:48 PM

if you have the ability to run a friends car (maybe even rent one) you might want to give it a try before you get all involved in buying one. not everyone likes running a dragster
Posted By: Eric

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:08 PM

Ya...what he said... ..trust me I have thought about one also Wes..James' in particular..
Posted By: dartman366

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:15 PM

While I have been a door car guy all my racing career and have no desire to go to a dragster, I have a couple of friends that run them and love it, both started out with door cars, one being a tube chassis chevelle,,I remember him saying that the fit of the chassis to your body is crutial and that comfort is paramount after he bought a rolling chassis that didn't fit him as well as he liked and spent the next winter having it modified to fit him, plus went from a hard tail to a springer w/ a single monoshock,,so he added a lot of time and money that could of been better if he would of gotten the right chassis the first time, but he now has a really nice setup that he is very proud of and happy with.
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:16 PM

Jim,

Thanks a bunch for taking the time to list all that info and point out some important particulars. I have wondered about one for many years, just never took the steps or asked the needed questions

A really good friend of mine is tight with a guy named Kevin Klineweber (races for Hughes). I could link up with him at some point. Maybe he could get me in the seat of a car. I'm sure he knows plenty of guys who have them or possibly one for sale that would be a cool deal, etc.

How much effort goes into setting up the suspension on one of these cars?

The Super Comp class sounds cool. I'll have to look into the classes. Want nothing to do with Comp or Top Dragster class.
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:19 PM

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Ya...what he said... ..trust me I have thought about one also Wes..James' in particular..




You need to move out West my friend; Team up!
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:22 PM

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While I have been a door car guy all my racing career and have no desire to go to a dragster, I have a couple of friends that run them and love it, both started out with door cars, one being a tube chassis chevelle,,I remember him saying that the fit of the chassis to your body is crutial and that comfort is paramount after he bought a rolling chassis that didn't fit him as well as he liked and spent the next winter having it modified to fit him, plus went from a hard tail to a springer w/ a single monoshock,,so he added a lot of time and money that could of been better if he would of gotten the right chassis the first time, but he now has a really nice setup that he is very proud of and happy with.




Bill thanks for the info. Yep, I know I'd have to make sure a car fit me well if I bought a used one. I figure there's one out there somewhere when the time comes and I actually pull the trigger and begin my search. I don't want to buy a car and then throw a bunch of money at it to make it fit me. Good stuff, thanks!
Posted By: tboomer

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:27 PM

Just for you,Wes!! And it is close to you!
http://www.racingjunk.com/Dragsters/2004053/2004-256-quot-Top-Eliminator-Top-West-Dragst.html
Posted By: Eric

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:28 PM

Nice car...

http://www.racingjunk.com/Dragsters/2821110/2006-Race-Tech-235-quot-4-Link-Dragster-.html
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:30 PM

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Just for you,Wes!! And it is close to you!
http://www.racingjunk.com/Dragsters/2004053/2004-256-quot-Top-Eliminator-Top-West-Dragst.html




LOL! That looks like too much work and takes too many people to run, Ted! Plus my neighbors would hate me! Thanks buddy!
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 07:35 PM

i've never worked with a suspended car mine is a hardtail and the new one i've had sitting for too long is a double slip tube.

there are many different flavors of rear suspension. four link, rocker, x link. i'm not really familiar with them, there are even some with front suspension. imho all in all dragsters are the easiest cars to make work suspension wise.

i've never run SC with a dragster (did with a bike but it was a 8.60 index) but if you want to run SC now you're really in shark infested waters.

this is almost always throttle stop racing and most are 7 second or faster cars. you have some guys running 8.90 at over 200 like Kendall with his blower car that runs upwards of 210 afaik. i would say many are probably running over 180 at the stripe

i don't follow this stuff but SC is probably the most difficult index class to win in
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 08:38 PM

I went to Frank Hawelys school before buying my first dragster. It saved me a ton of money.
I knew how to drive a race car before even hitting the track. It gained me a ton of experience.

When I started racing dragsters I was 6'4" and 287lbs.

When I took a break from racing I weighed 210 lbs and weigh 225 now. So you can find a dragster to fit you, but fit is most important. Dragsters and funny cars must fit the driver.

I started with a 225" car that a guy home built for himself and lost interest. He was a welder by trade and would come to the track with his wife and 2 kids and watch me bracket race it. It was fun as hell.

Then I built a 572 and quick 32 raced it. It went 7.02 with the 225" chassis.
Then he built me a 286" car and I put a injected 632" big chief motor in it and went 6.80s and him there at the track.
Then I got my first blown KB/BEA hemi and licensed my first 4 runs and was quick enough to quailify at my first TAD race but couldn't race because you can't license and race the same race.
Then Mike Bowen built me a 2 cars after wearing out my first one. A blown hemi wears stuff out like you have no idea.

I did quite well in TAD and was always a top 10 car and #5 and #7 a couple years in my first 4 years of racing TAD. Made it to a couple finals and always quailified for the US nationals with enough points. I did not have any big mentors who taught me to race, just Frank Hawley and Tom Conway did help me tune my hemis in the early days.

I spent 18 months putting togeather my first 225" car dragster not counting the chassis, that was already built for me. I went to every race I could and took pictures and then went home and copied a simaler approch on my car.
I spent 15 years straight racing dragsters.

My shop is 31 feet deep and can just hold a 286" dragster with wing. We got used to taking things off the dragster so it would fit in my trailers until I said screw it and bought a 49' trailer and then everything fit without taking things off the car.

Lastly like what was already said, prepare to run chevy unless you have $$ to burn in a dragster.
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/19/12 08:45 PM

I can't offer much advise over what's already been stated but I can offer this, life is but a vapor, follow your dream to the best of your ability and enjoy what you have.

It doesn't make any sense to do any less with our short time here.

Posted By: HR3128

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/20/12 04:42 PM

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I'd be buying a used one, so what are some of the important things I need to be aware of, looking for and questions to ask?




When buying a used one, make sure what's included. I bought a used one last winter, "complete less eng & trans". A lot of stuff I thought should have been there was not. Stuff like battery, fittings & lines for radiator, water pump & a number of small brackets & fittings. It's extra cost that can add up in a hurry. I bought it without seeing it in person. The pickup was at night, in the rain,600 miles from home and in a rush to get going. My fault, I did not check it over before hand but it's complete now.
Check for a fuel pump. If the used one ran alcohol and had a engine mounted fuel pump, it may not be included.
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/20/12 05:45 PM

Wes,
I went to a dragster in the late 90's. It's not like you buy one and imeadiatly start winning. They do take some getting used to. They are cheaper, easier to work on, go faster safer, and it helps to have anothee person helping, but not mandatory. I prefer a suspension for safety, especially stopping on short shut down tracks. And like the other person said, they're not for everyone. You do want to look for one that's not all worn out. Pm me if you want to know more and good luck.
Posted By: MRMOPAR

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/20/12 07:06 PM

Some of you know my good friend Bruce Kaul. Here is his BB MOPAR dragster at Immokalee Regional Raceway in November. He lives in MN but spends a month or so on the road hitting different strips in the south at the end of the year. Racecraft Chassis.

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Posted By: Bob_Spelic

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/20/12 09:04 PM

I made the switch from my 1966 dodge charger to a 1995 hartail dragster 4 years ago and I am very pleased with the switch. The charger liked to eat parts @ 3600 pounds and running 10.20’s. The dragster is much easier on parts and MUCH easier to work on. I am getting to the age of not wanting to lay underneath a car to get at things. Mostly everything on the dragster can be done sitting on a roller seat. The engine and trans come out of the car in about 60 minutes.

I am 5’11” and weigh 190. I fit in a 19 inch car. It’s tight but not really uncomfortable. I would steer most people my size to a 21 inch cage. If you want to run a mopar engine combo and want the motor/trans to drop in without removing the oil pump or relocating the starter then you need a 22 inch cage as the dimension your really looking for is 20 inches between the insides of the frame rails at the mid plate. A 22 inch cage USUALLY is 20 inches between the inside of the frame rails.

A hardtail car just plain hooks in my opinion. With that said, I am looking for a suspended car because on a rough track it’s just hard to stop them consistently with bouncing in the shutdown area. If you throw the chute, then there is not issue. Racing alone and packing a chute gets hectic when you are in the later rounds and the track wants to play the “round robin” game. So a hardtail will hook just about anywhere, but stopping can be problematic with the track surface.

If I was to do it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would get a suspended 22 or 23 inch cage car. I have no firsthand experience with 4 links vs. swing arms, so no advice there. I have witnessed cars that bounced previously, and need to use the chute, add a front suspension and no longer need to toss the chute every time. This was at Pittsburgh Raceway Park. Any suspension my do.

And it costs 2 times as much to race a mopar combo than it does a similar chevy combo. Mine is a 7.80, 572 indy headed combo on alcohol.

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Posted By: afxcoronet

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 12:07 AM

I have been thinking of/planning getting a dragster every day for the last 3 years, and I know my opportunity will come soon. I had been bracket racing door cars for 15 years before I got the chance to drive a dragster, and it was an amazing perspective, I know my boys will have dragsters to move into once we are done with JRs.

Some great info shared so far, good luck.

Curtis
Posted By: rickstershemi

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 12:15 AM

Wish there were more Nostagia events in the Southeast....I'd love to Index Race a Slingshot

Rickster
Posted By: sc301v

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 05:40 PM

Mine is a 7.80, 572 indy headed combo on alcohol.




You got issues somewhere....Mine is a 4 link at 1950 lbs....with a 572 indy 440-1 325 cnc goes 4.60s and 7.30s
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 05:52 PM

I'am not a dragster fan,I awoke last night in a cold sweat picturing a chrome moly pipe rack in the shop in my mind.I quicky ran down to the shop a looked at my pipe rack full of CM tubing and went back to bed for a sound comfortable sleep.
Posted By: Al_Alguire

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 06:58 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 07:10 PM

Having run dragster years ago I compared it to oval track racing.
Oval track racing:Count to 9 turn left,count to 9 turn left...repeat 2 more times.

Racing a dragster:Count to 4,5,6,7 or what ever an pull the chute.
J/K

I enjoyed racing the dragster as much as we like running the blower car.
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 09:47 PM

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!




LMAO!
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 09:48 PM

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Having run dragster years ago I compared it to oval track racing.
Oval track racing:Count to 9 turn left,count to 9 turn left...repeat 2 more times.

Racing a dragster:Count to 4,5,6,7 or what ever an pull the chute.
J/K

I enjoyed racing the dragster as much as we like running the blower car.




Bob, that just ain't right man, but it made me laugh really loud!
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 09:49 PM

Guys, this is really good info! Thanks for sharing and keep it coming! I still need to measure my garage length. Does the measure TWICE rule still apply here?
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 10:02 PM

It ain't right,but entertaining.
If any one is interested AJ Casini's dragster is at our show and for sale.
Posted By: Kevins493

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 10:11 PM

How consistent can you make an FED?
Posted By: mopdragster

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/21/12 11:11 PM

Well heres my 2 cents worth. I have never seriously raced anything but a dragster. I just finished building my 3rd one which is a TNT supercar. We bracket race and do alot of super comp racing here in the midwest and after having both hardtails slip tube and 4 link/swing arms, there is no way I would go back to a non suspension dragster unless I was planning to go faster the 6.50 consistently. The only difference in a 4link vs a swing arm is the bottom two 4link bars are welded together with an X or something similar. The swing arm don't have to have a wishbone which is safer under heavy braking and higher HP. I am 5-10 300lbs and mine is a 24 inch cage most newer one are 23 standard width. The comment about 20 inches wide at the bellhousing is correct and this car is 21.5 wide and everything fit perfect. I love super comp racing but I believe it is the most competitive class out there for example at st louis national I'm .001 go 8.895 taking .009 at the stripe killing 4 mph my competitor is .004 8.904. Super comp is a drivers class as everybody is usually setup to go faster than 8.90 and everybody can go 00 and most are carrying .04 or .05. Most cars in super comp run in the high 160 low 170 mph range there are some 180 players and very few faster than that

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Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/22/12 12:15 AM

Hey Wes????

Did you fall down and bump your head??

Probably something you ate..



Chris..
Posted By: RonTheAnnouncer

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/22/12 02:03 AM

Lots of Chassis builders out there, but these guys build Championship winning Top Dragster and sportsman level cars:
http://www.americanracecars.net/
These guys are excellent as well:
http://www.diamondracecars.com/

Any good company can build the car to fit you and your needs.
Posted By: 40ford

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/22/12 06:00 AM

Just a Comment----from someone who only knows a little about lightweight, FED that races in nostalgia races only.

Unsprung FEDs are lightweight cars. And, they flex a lot under accel/decel. But they can (and do) flex even more while riding in a trailer. So, If you buy a "Flexi-Flyer" chassis a center chassis support is useful while transporting. Something simple will do---we use a carpet wrapped 2X4 under the midplate. We pick up the front slightly to slip the board under.

That brings up the second point-----the used chassis. Is it a bent---also know as a "killed" chassis? Better look real close at a used chassis-----could be the reason the chassis is "for sale"----and the owner doesn't even know why the chassis got eratic!
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/22/12 04:55 PM

good point, i've always used a chassis stabilizer bladder under the car. i tie the car down at the rear tires, put the bladder under the driver area and fill it some then tie down across the top of the cage
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 01:10 AM

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Mine is a 7.80, 572 indy headed combo on alcohol.




You got issues somewhere....Mine is a 4 link at 1950 lbs....with a 572 indy 440-1 325 cnc goes 4.60s and 7.30s




If thats the case you have the baddest 572-1 motor on the planet, most people have to spray 200 to do that with that motor.

you do realize that 1950 lbs going 4.60 is over 1000 hp do you not?


Now WES,I have been racing for the better part of 20 years. I have had back half cars,chassis cars,a chassis truck,and two dragsters and after having my 4-link spitzer I would not race a door car if you gave it to me.
They are easy on parts,easy to make bad fast,cheep to buy,easy to work on,for some reason people are scared of them and end up doing something stupid trying to beat them.

mine weighs 1790 makes a little over 1000 hp and has been as fast as 4.57 in very good air and very good track conditions.

if you are serious I know where you can buy a buck 730 bbc for a good deal you could run top dragster with little or no spray.
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 01:32 AM

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If thats the case you have the baddest 572-1 motor on the planet, most people have to spray 200 to do that with that motor.





only if the engine doesn't run right

not to get into a peeing contest but most of the chrysler powered dragsters i've seen don't run as fast as they should

the -1 540 megablock i built for a friend went 7.50 178 right out of the trailer with no real tuning. this was with a .660 lift roller, the smaller injectorator on alky and spinning the tires. i know it was lighter than a suspended car but not by a whole lot. with proper tuning, the bigger injectorator, the right cam and hooking properly that car should've dipped into the 30s.

one of the local guys has a miller slip tube with a -1 572 aluminum indy block, alky toilet. he struggled with it to run 7.80-90. pulled the engine apart, found problems and now i believe he's been in the 30s which is more representative of what that combination should run
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 02:39 PM

Quote:

Quote:

If thats the case you have the baddest 572-1 motor on the planet, most people have to spray 200 to do that with that motor.





only if the engine doesn't run right

not to get into a peeing contest but most of the chrysler powered dragsters i've seen don't run as fast as they should

the -1 540 megablock i built for a friend went 7.50 178 right out of the trailer with no real tuning. this was with a .660 lift roller, the smaller injectorator on alky and spinning the tires. i know it was lighter than a suspended car but not by a whole lot. with proper tuning, the bigger injectorator, the right cam and hooking properly that car should've dipped into the 30s.

one of the local guys has a miller slip tube with a -1 572 aluminum indy block, alky toilet. he struggled with it to run 7.80-90. pulled the engine apart, found problems and now i believe he's been in the 30s which is more representative of what that combination should run



you are not compairing apples to apples he said his car was over 1900
you local guys car aluminum block slip tube car is more than likely less than 1700 unless the driver is grilla monsoon.

my 235 suspended spitzer aluminum block combo with a wing, 110 inch role out 16 inch tires,race pack,containment trays,diaper and a dry sump system only weighs 1780 with my 215 lb fat a$$ in it.

200 lbs is huge when you weigh less than 2000 to begin with.

add enough weight to make your buddies car 1900 and see how fast it is.

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Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 04:56 PM

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you are not compairing apples to apples he said his car was over 1900
you local guys car aluminum block slip tube car is more than likely less than 1700 unless the driver is grilla monsoon.





i realize that it's not a direct comparison i wasn't inferring it was and it wasn't meant to be

my point is that an alky -1 572 in a hardtail shouldn't be running 7.80s, nor should it need 200 worth of spray to run 7.30s at 1950. not to mention there are factors other than only HP and weight that impact performance. i'm not claiming that it will run 7.30s at 1950 just that it doesn't sound impossible. i mean 572 isn't exactly a small block and the -1 heads can be made to work pretty well.

i just asked mike what his car weighs and he said 1800# (1796 actually) with him in it which sounds heavy but that is what he told me
Posted By: julian2007

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 06:06 PM

mine is 1790 with a 4-link, 235 inches 16 inch wheels,a wing,race pack,containment trays,a diaper and no carbon fiber it has been weighed on scales and at several tracks 1790 LBS @ 4.60 = 1000 real hp my best machine built 588 b1 mc runs just that on alky. with me in the car 215 lbs 4.60 flat, with my buddy in the car 170 lbs 4.57 we have done it time and time again.
weight makes all the difference

my point is 572 with -1 heads 4.80 is dead on the money at 1900 lbs and 16 inch wheels

now if the race weight is 1700 with 15 inch wheels that is a different story.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 07:07 PM

Working on my Fun Car as fast as I can! Raced a door car for over 20 years--Just had to do something different, Fun, and easier to work on! 200 incher Joined the Southern Slingshots club and plan on maybe 6 races per year and some very fun TT nights!
Posted By: sunroofgtx

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/24/12 08:41 PM

What about a 25.3 cert 71 Road Runner?
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/25/12 02:09 AM

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What about a 25.3 cert 71 Road Runner?




Tires in the front are too big! Can't wait to see that thing done man!

Wes
Posted By: EvilB1Dart

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/25/12 02:12 AM

Guys all this info is just great and I really appreciate it. Its also nice to be able to talk about OTHER cars/stuff versus just the norm. Always enjoy learning something new; cool stuff for sure! Fun, fun, fun!!!!!!!!!

Lastly, finally pulled out the tape measure; When we built our house I had them extend the garage a little more than the standard size. I have twenty-six feet (26') deep of garage length to play with. Unless I'm mistaking, I should be fine regarding some chassis (total car) lengths.

Wes
Posted By: jamesc

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/25/12 04:42 AM

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I have twenty-six feet




well then it's time to go shopping, you can get a good sized car...errr dragster in there no problem
Posted By: camastomcat

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/25/12 04:55 AM

My 235" Yancer is 22.5 ft. End to end.
Posted By: sc301v

Re: Something DIFFERENT........lets talk DRAGSTERS. - 11/26/12 05:00 PM

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Mine is a 7.80, 572 indy headed combo on alcohol.




You got issues somewhere....Mine is a 4 link at 1950 lbs....with a 572 indy 440-1 325 cnc goes 4.60s and 7.30s




If thats the case you have the baddest 572-1 motor on the planet, most people have to spray 200 to do that with that motor.

you do realize that 1950 lbs going 4.60 is over 1000 hp do you not?quote


You do realize you have to get the power to the real tires do you not???
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