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Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms
Posted By: B3422W5
Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 06:33 PM
The US made ones they are selling on any smallblock standard head stuff that has some spring pressure?
One minute i am thinking old school, the next minute Gen 3 hemi
But as i am old, i think i have an idea what i want to do with my Demon
http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=27161
Posted By: fishy340
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 07:03 PM
I have em there very descent....would i use em if i had to rev it 7500 every pass..um no.
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 07:09 PM
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I have em there very descent....would i use em if i had to rev it 7500 every pass..um no.
Roller or flat tappet, and what do you not like about them?
Posted By: Mopar Guy
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 07:12 PM
I use same brand in a bb stroker whit roller cam and i give them
/Pat
Posted By: mshred
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 07:55 PM
Have them, love them, and wouldn't hesitate to turn them to 7500rpm.... The are very nice quality and I have never heard of a problem with them... Mind you my cams have been small compared to others here, but I wouldn't change them even if I had crazy solid roller setup going on
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 08:37 PM
After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
Went with Harland's and ain't looking back...
Posted By: Triple Threat
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 10:04 PM
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After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
This about sums up my business dealings with Hughes.
Posted By: justinp61
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 10:06 PM
I've been running them on my small block for 8 or 9 years. At first with Hughes 1111 springs and now with Comp 930 springs.....I think. I had to grind the pi$$ out of them to clear the Comp spring because of the installed height and diameter. They've been ran for three years like this with no issues
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Posted By: fishy340
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/04/12 11:33 PM
After askin the builder if they would be ok on my motor i have now...he damn near lost his drink out his nostrils...they are ok for a 500hp type deal
Posted By: BPE
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 12:36 AM
Don,
Take this for what it is, but may be worth reading. I know they are not going to to put things on their site that doesn't make them look good. I'm going to run the offset rockers on my current build but they are not treated.
http://www.hughesengines.com/TechArticles/2cryogenicallytreatedrockerarms.phpRod
Posted By: fishy340
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 12:47 AM
And that got u to buy them? Well best wishes
Posted By: moparacer
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 12:48 AM
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After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
Went with Harland's and ain't looking back...
You too? I just called them earlier in the week and I was a little put off by the attitude to say the least.
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 12:58 AM
Thanks Rod
Yeah I had read that a while back, regards the treating.
I know these particular rockers are different than the I believe it was Probe stuff they used to carry or maybe still do.
Just looking at what options are out there for roller cams on stock style heads that don't require clearancing and can hold up to probably 550-600 spring pressures
The HS stuff doesn't impress me and requires being whittled on to run 1.55 springs from what I have heard.
Posted By: Mad Dart
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 01:07 AM
Yes I have ran them. 410 SB, 4spd. Revved it up all day to 7200RPM. They work well. This was with as Solid Flat Tappet though,
262@50 w/.624 Lift. They held the valve adjustment very well, hardly ever needed to adjust them and if so only a few exhaust valves. Was using Manton Ball Cup push Rods, oil thru on LA Heads. Pressureized oil on the ball and cup. Was also running Johnson Oil through EMD Lifters. FWIW
Posted By: BPE
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 01:17 AM
FWIW I purchased the SB offset rockers as kind of an experiment so we could open up the pushrod pinch to slow air speed and gain a little port volume. I don't know of any SBM rockers for a factory type head that isn't going to require some clearancing for that size spring.
Rod
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 01:57 AM
I have not run them on anything yet,but would not hesitate to do so.
I looked them over at the M.M.race in Indy. I like the way they oil,better than many others I've seen. Plus the roller trunions on other brands require cutting too much meat out of them,all to put roller bearings on a part that just pivots and does not rotate.
Unless I was stepping up to T&D or something,they look pretty decent. Hughes makes their own now as opposed to out sourcing like years past.
Keith
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 02:55 AM
Do Jesel or T&D make standard head rocker gear
Posted By: 71440dart
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 03:01 AM
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After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
Went with Harland's and ain't looking back...
You too? I just called them earlier in the week and I was a little put off by the attitude to say the least.
Really!? I have NEVER heard that before... 
Hughes and Indy. Where customer service is #1,356. Right on the priority list after cleaning the toilets.
same thing here, horrible customer service, and quite a wise @$$ Dave is.
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 03:14 AM
I have such a hard time understanding how you guys have gotten poor customer service. I have used him a couple times and service wa awesome. A friend just ordered a cam kit,gave the wrong information and they shipped the correct one right away?
I called six different places about camshafts recently. Dave Hughes was the absolute best at asking the right questions and giving a good recommendation. Some of the other companies I called really just did not want to take the time to get things right. Some were good,some were not,but Dave was the best.
Posted By: tboomer
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 10:39 AM
I have bought some stuff from Hughes and Kevin is always a pleasure to deal with. I will be buying thier 1.6 rockers for my Victor heads.
Posted By: FlyFish
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 01:26 PM
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Thanks Rod
Yeah I had read that a while back, regards the treating.
I know these particular rockers are different than the I believe it was Probe stuff they used to carry or maybe still do.
Just looking at what options are out there for roller cams on stock style heads that don't require clearancing and can hold up to probably 550-600 spring pressures
The HS stuff doesn't impress me and requires being whittled on to run 1.55 springs from what I have heard.
Just FYI, those rockers will barely clear a 1.50 spring (depending on who you talk to). You will have to cut them to get a 1.55 in there.
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 04:17 PM
Ouch.....
I had outstanding luck with Jesel spotsman series stuff on my W5 motor, ran them for years, and the new owner still does. They hit 8k a number of times by mistake..lol..and never an issue.Sweet bulletproof stuff.
So.....I decided to call Jesel, and find out what if anything they offer for a standard style head, turns out they have an offering.
Its part number KPS 09749 these require milling the stands to fit( an operation they offer for 100 bucks a head, you send the heads, they set them up.
These arent the sportsmen series, they are pro series, and are 1600 bucks a set complete..Will handle 800 spring pressure, and clear a 1.600 spring( larger than would even be required) with no clearancing.
Not cheap, but at least an alternative i wasnt aware existed.
Posted By: 383man
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 04:38 PM
I run these hughes on my bigblock and they have worked great for me. I actually traded my brother for them but I have bought a few other things from Hughes and they were very nice to me and treated me well. Ron
Posted By: RSNOMO
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 04:47 PM
Just a little clarification on my end...
What I made reference to was NOT just one phone call...
This was after multiple attempts to get the situation ironed-out...
No doubt, everyone has an off day...
This was well beyond an off day...
Once again, never again...
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 04:58 PM
I get what your saying,......
I know a few guys have butted heads with Dave. Sorry to hear you had issues with him. I have dealt with some people from other companies that I have had issue with it can really get frustrating.
Just sharing my experience with him.
Keith
Posted By: 65dragnet
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 09:45 PM
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After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
Went with Harland's and ain't looking back...
You too? I just called them earlier in the week and I was a little put off by the attitude to say the least.
I ran the same set as 383man posted a pic of and I could never keep the adjusters from backing out. Yes their customer service guy was a smart ass. Looks are deceiving ! Go Harland s
Posted By: moparlifer
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 09:50 PM
I think Dove makes their rockers and they use Pioneer valve springs, not good performance parts!!
Posted By: 64Post
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 10:00 PM
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I think Dove makes their rockers and they use Pioneer valve springs, not good performance parts!!
They might be Probe pieces...
Poor performance parts are GREAT performance parts if you have the right salesman. Just don't argue with him, he knows best...
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 10:18 PM
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I think Dove makes their rockers and they use Pioneer valve springs, not good performance parts!!
They might be Probe pieces...
Poor performance parts are GREAT performance parts if you have the right salesman. Just don't argue with him, he knows best...
These new ones that are 649.00 treated are a new offering, not the chinese stuff they had before as the only choice. But i could be wrong.
Posted By: jbc426
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/05/12 10:20 PM
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I have bought some stuff from Hughes and Kevin is always a pleasure to deal with. I will be buying thier 1.6 rockers for my Victor heads.
Always great customer service over the last 8 years. They know mopars!
Posted By: 383man
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/06/12 04:31 AM
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After talking(or should I say, TRYING to talk) to 'em on the phone...
NEVER AGAIN...
Went with Harland's and ain't looking back...
You too? I just called them earlier in the week and I was a little put off by the attitude to say the least.
I ran the same set as 383man posted a pic of and I could never keep the adjusters from backing out. Yes their customer service guy was a smart ass. Looks are deceiving ! Go Harland s
My eng has been in my 63 since June last year and I have not had any adjuster come loose. I adjusted the valves once and all were tight. Ron
Posted By: BradH
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/07/12 01:49 PM
Years ago Hughes sold Dove's rockers, but later changed to Probe's parts. When Probe got out of the rocker arm business w/in the last couple of years, Hughes picked up the tooling / whatever from Probe to have the Mopar rockers made.
I've run the Probe/Hughes stuff on the street for thousands of miles w/ 400#s open pressure (solid flat-tappet + Schubeck lifters). I'm in the process of putting together my first solid roller motor that will have 600#s open pressure and have bought new Hughes rockers to use w/ my new Victor heads.
I'll be keeping a close eye on the valve train, regardless, but expect the rockers should be OK from my experience to date.
Posted By: 383man
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/07/12 02:04 PM
65Dragnet I forgot to say that I only run a solid flat tappet as I dont know if you were running a roller when you had your adjusters loosen up ? Ron
Posted By: Hughes
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/09/12 10:04 PM
Dale, Probe hasn't made our rockers for years. They are made here in the Midwest using the exact same extrusions that T&D and Jesel uses. Only of a few of the smaller cams are using Pioneer springs. Most of the performance cams use Manley or PAC springs.
Kevin
Posted By: VernMotor
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/09/12 11:56 PM
So I see two kits for the 1.5 rockers. when should we use the Cryogenically treated ones ?
Posted By: B3422W5
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/09/12 11:59 PM
Hughes....
How much clearancing to fit a 1.55 roller spring
Posted By: VernMotor
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/10/12 12:11 AM
Our rockers will clear 1.625" diameter valve springs without cutting or grinding. (When the geometry is correct)
that what it says ?
Posted By: VernMotor
Re: Has anybody ran those Hughes rocker arms - 10/10/12 12:13 AM
Sorry thats big block did not read the small block stuff