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Ld 340 flow bench test results

Posted By: pittsburghracer

Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/14/12 08:30 PM

A good Friend of mine asked me if I would check his LD 340 on my flow bench today and I myself was a little curious so I mounted a small block edelbrock to the bench and did a flow test on the head. We then bolted his some what grubby looking intake to the head. This was a used intake that was never touched with a grinder so it was not even gasket matched. Here are the flow numbers.

head head with intake
100 60 62
200 137 130
300 200 187

400 251 224
450 256 239
500 267 247
550 273 249
600 275 254
650 276 255
700 276 255

I always knew that these were good intakes and after doing this test it backs up what we have seen at the track for years. He wants to see the results from Matt's Victor 340 intake and if they are close we will do some gasket matching and touch up work to the LD340. Here are a couple of pictures of his intake so you can see how much better it could be with some work.





Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/14/12 08:36 PM

wow, that is good. no wonder my old 340 ran so good. interesting.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 12:25 AM

That is pretty good, especially for a dual plane intake.
Did you tape up the 7 unused ports for the test?
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 01:14 AM

Quote:

That is pretty good, especially for a dual plane intake.
Did you tape up the 7 unused ports for the test?





I always just stuff red garage rags in all the other ports out of the plenum flow path. I like to play with open and 4 hole adapters mounted on top but they were all in use today. I know the LD340 has always been a good intake but I was still surprised by the numbers especially with it not being at least gasket matched. In that one picture you can see his old gasket mark. Matt had his victor in his car today so I couldn't try it but I will try to update this with those numbers tomorrow.
Posted By: Mcode69

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 07:43 AM

I'd love to see the numbers with the plennum divider milled out of it.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 12:42 PM

Quote:

I'd love to see the numbers with the plennum divider milled out of it.




I just sold a used one a few months ago to one of our members that I had laying here for years. Whoever owned it before me cut the plenum out and then welded it back in. Here's a picture of the manifold before I sold it.
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 02:07 PM

i'm scratching my head wondering why you guys think losing 20-30 cfm through the manifold are good numbers?
Posted By: Sixpak

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 02:13 PM

I'd be curious what a stock 69-70 340 avs intake would flow and compare the two. All the reading I've done over the years says the stock manifold was pretty good right out of the box, and that the ld340 was really just a copy in aluminum - 5 HP at best over the stock intake. Same goes for the current aluminum dual plane MP offers for the small block - it too looks like an aluminum copy of the factory cast iron avs intake.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 02:47 PM

Quote:

i'm scratching my head wondering why you guys think losing 20-30 cfm through the manifold are good numbers?




Dan this intake was not even gasket matched. Every intake I have tested has picked up 10+ cfm just by doing that. Flow a small block super victor sometime if you really want to see a piece of crap. I bolted a small block chevy victor jr. to a set of Dart platinum heads I ported and the numbers dropped from 300cfm to 260 and the chevy guys love that intake.
Posted By: Rapid340

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 02:49 PM

LD340's are not at all a copy of a stock intake.

Ive picked up over 1mph going fromm a ported stock TQ intake to a gasket matched LD340.

Posted By: RobX4406

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 04:16 PM

Brian did that same test with an RPM and SV and the SV flowed more air. SV made less HP and a bunch less tq on the 408 engine. Guess it's all specific to what you want to do.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_1006_small_block_mopar_stroker_dyno_test/index.html

I like the old LD intake.
Posted By: B1MAXX

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 05:13 PM

John, I have a port mathed victor jr on the shelf.If you need one to try.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 05:41 PM

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John, I have a port mathed victor jr on the shelf.If you need one to try.




Not if its a chevy. I have (4) 2975's and (1) 2999
I have been buying used ones, porting them and selling them. I am finding out that you can buy that used chevy stuff real cheap and after a little work its pretty easy so resale.
Posted By: B1MAXX

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 05:59 PM

No, its for standard port small mopar...
Posted By: Performance Only

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 06:09 PM

Quote:

Quote:

i'm scratching my head wondering why you guys think losing 20-30 cfm through the manifold are good numbers?




Dan this intake was not even gasket matched. Every intake I have tested has picked up 10+ cfm just by doing that. Flow a small block super victor sometime if you really want to see a piece of crap. I bolted a small block chevy victor jr. to a set of Dart platinum heads I ported and the numbers dropped from 300cfm to 260 and the chevy guys love that intake.




okay, i see what your saying. the ld340 is better than some of the other intakes. i'll buy that. the ports in that manifold are tiny, so velocity is high, but the flow still stinks IMO, even after gasket matching. for the right combo there'd be an obvious gain over stock, but that intake will only get you just so much.
glad you flowed it and alway's enjoy seeing results like the ones you posted.
Posted By: Paul_Fancsali

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 07:08 PM

Over .12 in qtr over stock intake and a new M1 dual plane. But the divider was milled down. Check the heights on a stock intake and M1 dual plane the LD is hands down better. You really want to slow down use a performer dual plane Bought one new years ago and gave it away after trying to salvage my money on this mistake 318 Maybe 340-360 hell no
Posted By: sshemi

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 09:47 PM

I dont belive that flow is that important on an intake. Shape and being equal is more important
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 03/15/12 11:41 PM

I've flowed heads a good bit with intakes and carburetors.
Here's an example of a ported OEM SB head w/Victor 340
and Holley 750.

................HEAD.............W/IN&CARB

.100"______63.8__________63.8
.200"_____134.7_________134.5
.300"_____193.8_________190.7
.400"_____244.2_________233.3
.500"_____257.4_________240.3
.550"_____258.4_________243.4
.600"_____260.1_________245.5

Intake had a good port match and minor work in the plenum.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 03:39 PM

Quote:

A good Friend of mine asked me if I would check his LD 340 on my flow bench today and I myself was a little curious so I mounted a small block edelbrock to the bench and did a flow test on the head. We then bolted his some what grubby looking intake to the head. This was a used intake that was never touched with a grinder so it was not even gasket matched. Here are the flow numbers.

head head with intake
100 60 62
200 137 130
300 200 187

400 251 224
450 256 239
500 267 247
550 273 249
600 275 254
650 276 255
700 276 255

I always knew that these were good intakes and after doing this test it backs up what we have seen at the track for years. He wants to see the results from Matt's Victor 340 intake and if they are close we will do some gasket matching and touch up work to the LD340. Here are a couple of pictures of his intake so you can see how much better it could be with some work.











Just a little update on the LD340. It peters out early and hard. I am finishing up a set his set of open chamber Edelbrocks (2.08 valve) and we didn't push as hard as we could have as he is only going to ran a 520 racer brown cam (1.6 rocker app 550). I wanted him to go with a Victor 340 but he wanted to see what the LD340 would do so I gasket matched it, a little plenum work, and a matched 4150-4500 carb adapter. There is not alot you can do in the runners as you can't even see them. Here are some new numbers.

with out intake-----with intake
.200---137-----------134
.300---198-----------193
.400---245-----------241
.450---268-----------250
.500---279-----------263
.550---289-----------272
.600---290-----------272
.650---292-----------271
.700---302-----------271

I have him talked into trying a Victor.

Attached picture 7547723-Alsld340intakeandadaptor001.JPG
Posted By: Streetwize

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 04:00 PM

Vic,

Have you ever tested a Victor 340 on a 300-ish @.600 flowing head? Just curious.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 06:44 PM

Quote:

Vic,

Have you ever tested a Victor 340 on a 300-ish @.600 flowing head? Just curious.




No but I will be doing so soon. I flowed my W2 Victor on a set of 300+ heads and after some work it did pretty good. I also flowed my Super Victor on the heads on my car at the present time but I did my set in a real hurry to get back out racing after the W2's cracked. As soon as he buys one Or I do I will post some results.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 06:47 PM

Quote:

Vic,

Have you ever tested a Victor 340 on a 300-ish @.600 flowing head? Just curious.




Sorry about that, I see you were asking Vic.
Posted By: Streetwize

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 06:53 PM

No worries, it's all good!

I should have said "Has ANYBODY....but I know Vic (to name just one) is very experienced with finding potential in that Manifold.

I think a ported Victor should flow well in excess of 300cfm on an ~ equally flowing head, the runners are generous and fairly short which is usually advantageous on long stroke combos or short strokers at High RPM. The only thing it seems to want for is a bit more plenum volume.

I've ported several of them over the years, As cast the runner transitions from the plenum need a fair amount of work but they come around great after 'whittling', I actually opened it up a bit more than with my SDSS Stage 2's. My new heads flow ~310 even with my little 'broomstick' roller, I still think the old Vic 340 will be better overall than the SV in terms of peak power (though maybe not necessarily
for peak midrange torque).
Posted By: skrews

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 10:26 PM

Quote:

A good Friend of mine asked me if I would check his LD 340 on my flow bench today and I myself was a little curious so I mounted a small block edelbrock to the bench and did a flow test on the head. We then bolted his some what grubby looking intake to the head. This was a used intake that was never touched with a grinder so it was not even gasket matched. Here are the flow numbers.

head head with intake
100 60 62
200 137 130
300 200 187

400 251 224
450 256 239
500 267 247
550 273 249
600 275 254
650 276 255
700 276 255

I always knew that these were good intakes and after doing this test it backs up what we have seen at the track for years. He wants to see the results from Matt's Victor 340 intake and if they are close we will do some gasket matching and touch up work to the LD340. Here are a couple of pictures of his intake so you can see how much better it could be with some work.









What work had been done to the heads at this point ? Be interesting to see how an OOTB RPM or AirGap compares to the LD340. Thanks for sharing.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 11:09 PM

Quote:

No worries, it's all good!

I should have said "Has ANYBODY....but I know Vic (to name just one) is very experienced with finding potential in that Manifold.

I think a ported Victor should flow well in excess of 300cfm on an ~ equally flowing head, the runners are generous and fairly short which is usually advantageous on long stroke combos or short strokers at High RPM. The only thing it seems to want for is a bit more plenum volume.

I've ported several of them over the years, As cast the runner transitions from the plenum need a fair amount of work but they come around great after 'whittling', I actually opened it up a bit more than with my SDSS Stage 2's. My new heads flow ~310 even with my little 'broomstick' roller, I still think the old Vic 340 will be better overall than the SV in terms of peak power (though maybe not necessarily
for peak midrange torque).




I LIKE that word "whittling". I did a lot of whittling to my Super Victor just to get it decent enough to run. I have to take it off over the Winter to "clearance" it a little more on the outside so I can use the set of fab valve covers I bought off ebay so I will play with it again. Its really a shame how bad some of this stuff is out of the box.
Posted By: pittsburghracer

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/15/13 11:34 PM

Quote:

Quote:

A good Friend of mine asked me if I would check his LD 340 on my flow bench today and I myself was a little curious so I mounted a small block edelbrock to the bench and did a flow test on the head. We then bolted his some what grubby looking intake to the head. This was a used intake that was never touched with a grinder so it was not even gasket matched. Here are the flow numbers.

head head with intake
100 60 62
200 137 130
300 200 187

400 251 224
450 256 239
500 267 247
550 273 249
600 275 254
650 276 255
700 276 255

I always knew that these were good intakes and after doing this test it backs up what we have seen at the track for years. He wants to see the results from Matt's Victor 340 intake and if they are close we will do some gasket matching and touch up work to the LD340. Here are a couple of pictures of his intake so you can see how much better it could be with some work.









What work had been done to the heads at this point ? Be interesting to see how an OOTB RPM or AirGap compares to the LD340. Thanks for sharing.




Pretty sure the rpm is just a copy of the LD340 but the airgap is supposed to work pretty good. Really the reason I want to try a ported Victor is that my Duster (2550 at the time, 2800 + now) ran 10:20's with a 520 racer brown cam, and a Victor manifold that was gasket matched by my son. No other work done to it. He only went in about 1/2 inch. The heads on that engine only flowed 275-280. He wanted this engine for his car so I never had a chance to play with the intake.

I would highly recommend at least gasket matching the intake (slightly smaller or equal to the head.) Never ever bigger.
Posted By: HotRodDave

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/16/13 02:15 AM

the "RPM" and the "RPM air gap" are the same exact runners, just a different floor in the manifold to give the air gap underneath. The LD340 is a step away from the stock intake toward the RPM. The LD340 still makes some pretty sharp corners compared to the RPM but it is better than stock.
Posted By: justinp61

Re: Ld 340 flow bench test results - 01/16/13 02:33 AM

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Its really a shame how bad some of this stuff is out of the box.




I bought a used untouched Victor for my 408, it was awful. No way I'd an intake like that without spending a little time on it with a die grinder.
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