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360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head

Posted By: slammedR/T

360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:02 AM

Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


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Posted By: fishy340

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:12 AM

been 9.50's 3000lb pumpgas 360-1's here.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:16 AM

well dam another jax brother, 360-1s all the way
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:18 AM

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well dam another jax brother, 360-1s all the way


Sweet what do you drive? if you have been in jax on a saturday night I was the fat white kid in a flat blue 93 dakota with all the lump under the hood
Posted By: Belvedere2

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:19 AM

Who did the Indy heads? With SDSS doing the W-5s thats what I would go with. Between the two it all depends on who did the work.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 01:22 AM

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well dam another jax brother, 360-1s all the way


Sweet what do you drive? if you have been in jax on a saturday night I was the fat white kid in a flat blue 93 dakota with all the lump under the hood

didn't mess around on the sat night stuff, you would have found me on friday night racing. I have 360-1s on my stock stroke 360 running 10.40s at 3000lbs with a mild street roller and low compression 11.5/1.
Posted By: Devilbrad

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 03:54 AM

Quicktree...SlammedR/T is named Chad. He is a friend of Tracy from Speedfab.
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 05:24 AM

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Who did the Indy heads? With SDSS doing the W-5s thats what I would go with. Between the two it all depends on who did the work.


The Indys I'm looking at were also done by SDSS
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 05:26 AM

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well dam another jax brother, 360-1s all the way


Sweet what do you drive? if you have been in jax on a saturday night I was the fat white kid in a flat blue 93 dakota with all the lump under the hood

didn't mess around on the sat night stuff, you would have found me on friday night racing. I have 360-1s on my stock stroke 360 running 10.40s at 3000lbs with a mild street roller and low compression 11.5/1.


Where you racing at on friday nights? I been looking for more mopar guys but haven't found many out racing here in jax.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 09:34 AM

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well dam another jax brother, 360-1s all the way


Sweet what do you drive? if you have been in jax on a saturday night I was the fat white kid in a flat blue 93 dakota with all the lump under the hood

didn't mess around on the sat night stuff, you would have found me on friday night racing. I have 360-1s on my stock stroke 360 running 10.40s at 3000lbs with a mild street roller and low compression 11.5/1.


Where you racing at on friday nights? I been looking for more mopar guys but haven't found many out racing here in jax.

that was back when jax was open, it's closed now so when I race it's in gainesville or SGMP usually. we have went down to Palm Beach and a few other tracks.I think I have seen your truck at Tracy's shop. we use to have a warehouse a few doors down. now we are a few blocks away. I live close to where Tracy works so give me a holler some time I am always out in the garage messing with a mopar or 2
Posted By: DavidDean

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 05:32 PM

I cant say about results but I'm working on a new 360-1 combo 454" 4.125 bore & 4.250 BME stroke X block. Rod is providing the rotating assembly. This is to take the place of my W-5 408 it has SDSS W-5s.My indy 360-1 were finished by Brian at IMM engines. I'm thinking the indys have the upper hand on large ci motors due port volume and flow. Time will tell but this isnt an apples to apples test.
Posted By: SB449VALIANT

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/27/12 10:48 PM

Go with the indys...
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 12:30 AM

Quicktree and fishy340 if you don't mind me asking what are your cam specs? i think I need to up my cam from the .630"/.630" 258/264 at .050" 110 solid roller cam i have now.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 12:50 AM

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Quicktree and fishy340 if you don't mind me asking what are your cam specs? i think I need to up my cam from the .630"/.630" 258/264 at .050" 110 solid roller cam i have now.

mine is rather small, it's a comp 308R street roller
262@50 575/575 lift.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 12:51 AM

what heads are on yours now?
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 02:32 AM

I'm not Quicktree but I think you could use more cam for sure
I can tell you my 416 had ported Indybrocks car was 3000 with me in it I ran a solid roller with 268/274 @ .050 with .690 lift and the car ran 9.76 at 145 and we are sure there was more in it.
Quicktree will agree with this I am sure he knew the car.
Posted By: b1dartsport

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 02:35 AM

If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 02:38 AM

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I'm not Quicktree but I think you could use more cam for sure
I can tell you my 416 had ported Indybrocks car was 3000 with me in it I ran a solid roller with 268/274 @ .050 with .690 lift and the car ran 9.76 at 145 and we are sure there was more in it.
Quicktree will agree with this I am sure he knew the car.

depends on his current combo, I am not sure what heads he has now. I think he was talking about changing cams with that combo. something is defiantly wrong with his combo to only be running low 11s at that weight. I bet it is head challenged.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 02:42 AM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 03:01 AM

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I'm not Quicktree but I think you could use more cam for sure
I can tell you my 416 had ported Indybrocks car was 3000 with me in it I ran a solid roller with 268/274 @ .050 with .690 lift and the car ran 9.76 at 145 and we are sure there was more in it.
Quicktree will agree with this I am sure he knew the car.

depends on his current combo, I am not sure what heads he has now. I think he was talking about changing cams with that combo. something is defiantly wrong with his combo to only be running low 11s at that weight. I bet it is head challenged.




I was assuming he was talking with the new heads then it will surely want more cam.
And yes I agree the current combo should be doing better the first cam I had was 246/254 @ .050 and .591 lift and it went 10.50 all day long with that 1
Posted By: b1dartsport

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 06:14 AM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.

Tony, bad low end throttle response is one of the symptoms of a lazy port which is too big for the combo. It will probably run good with a decent converter but would be a terrible street strip motor which the OP said his car is.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 10:27 AM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.

Tony, bad low end throttle response is one of the symptoms of a lazy port which is too big for the combo. It will probably run good with a decent converter but would be a terrible street strip motor which the OP said his car is.

I know and but with the 408 it will probably be better than mine.
Posted By: B G Racing

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 12:09 PM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.

Tony, bad low end throttle response is one of the symptoms of a lazy port which is too big for the combo. It will probably run good with a decent converter but would be a terrible street strip motor which the OP said his car is.




For street use the 360-2 is the better choise.For all out dragrace with the correct combo the 360-1 works with most any engine size but realizes it most potential on a large displacment like 440" to 472".
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 02:07 PM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.

Tony, bad low end throttle response is one of the symptoms of a lazy port which is too big for the combo. It will probably run good with a decent converter but would be a terrible street strip motor which the OP said his car is.




For street use the 360-2 is the better choise.For all out dragrace with the correct combo the 360-1 works with most any engine size but realizes it most potential on a large displacment like 440" to 472".

while both of you are correct, I would still go with the 360-1s based on my experience with mine.what little bit of trouble I have with mine I feel with the added size of the 408 it would be next to nothing. and offer future change benefits.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 05:34 PM

Its too bad that RJs not kickin in on this one... he has all the specs on the heads & can offer a good description on the differences you could expect on a 408 cid engine
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/28/12 05:43 PM

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If you are sticking with a 408,I would go with Indy 360-2 230cc head,still better than a W-5, and a better head for an engine below 430 ci. The 360-1 245 has too much port volume for your engine and is designed for a larger cube motor. Just my

I don't know, mine runs pretty strong for 366ci with a baby cam and low compression. only problem I have is low end throttle response.

Tony, bad low end throttle response is one of the symptoms of a lazy port which is too big for the combo. It will probably run good with a decent converter but would be a terrible street strip motor which the OP said his car is.



the OP just said it will see some street use,he has a full tube chassis so I would think it would be more a race truck that see a little street time.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 12:15 AM

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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


DEPUTY



W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
Brian
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 12:48 AM

where did Chad go
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 04:25 AM

sorry I'm not much of an internet guy,anyway my 408 was in my stock chassis 93 dakota, it had a 727 with manual VB, tci 3500 converter,stock 3.55 gear and 8 1/4" rear.
The 408 had fully work eddy magnum heads from champion racing heads with 2.055/1.60 valves. Cam is a lunati voodoo 258/264 duration @.050" with .630"/.630" lift on a 110lsa,compression was around 11.9:1.
60' times was 1.85-1.78 at best sis muster a 9.80 @ 138 one time(got told to leave).


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Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 05:07 AM

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sorry I'm not much of an internet guy,anyway my 408 was in my stock chassis 93 dakota, it had a 727 with manual VB, tci 3500 converter,stock 3.55 gear and 8 1/4" rear.
The 408 had fully work eddy magnum heads from champion racing heads with 2.055/1.60 valves. Cam is a lunati voodoo 258/264 duration @.050" with .630"/.630" lift on a 110lsa,compression was around 11.9:1.
60' times was 1.85-1.78 at best sis muster a 9.80 @ 138 one time(got told to leave).


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I'd go with the 360-2 cnc with some rework....
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 10:00 AM

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sorry I'm not much of an internet guy,anyway my 408 was in my stock chassis 93 dakota, it had a 727 with manual VB, tci 3500 converter,stock 3.55 gear and 8 1/4" rear.
The 408 had fully work eddy magnum heads from champion racing heads with 2.055/1.60 valves. Cam is a lunati voodoo 258/264 duration @.050" with .630"/.630" lift on a 110lsa,compression was around 11.9:1.
60' times was 1.85-1.78 at best sis muster a 9.80 @ 138 one time(got told to leave).


DEPUTY



I'd go with the 360-2 cnc with some rework....

I think he has 2 vehicles from the sound of it. ones is a tube chassis race truck?
Posted By: Devilbrad

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 03:49 PM

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sorry I'm not much of an internet guy,anyway my 408 was in my stock chassis 93 dakota, it had a 727 with manual VB, tci 3500 converter,stock 3.55 gear and 8 1/4" rear.
The 408 had fully work eddy magnum heads from champion racing heads with 2.055/1.60 valves. Cam is a lunati voodoo 258/264 duration @.050" with .630"/.630" lift on a 110lsa,compression was around 11.9:1.
60' times was 1.85-1.78 at best sis muster a 9.80 @ 138 one time(got told to leave).


DEPUTY



I'd go with the 360-2 cnc with some rework....

I think he has 2 vehicles from the sound of it. ones is a tube chassis race truck?



Correct. He has a 93 stock frame Dakota and a 2001 Dakota with a tube chassis. The engine is in the 93 but is being transferred over to the newer truck as the chassis work comes to a finish.
Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/29/12 03:56 PM

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sorry I'm not much of an internet guy,anyway my 408 was in my stock chassis 93 dakota, it had a 727 with manual VB, tci 3500 converter,stock 3.55 gear and 8 1/4" rear.
The 408 had fully work eddy magnum heads from champion racing heads with 2.055/1.60 valves. Cam is a lunati voodoo 258/264 duration @.050" with .630"/.630" lift on a 110lsa,compression was around 11.9:1.
60' times was 1.85-1.78 at best sis muster a 9.80 @ 138 one time(got told to leave).


DEPUTY



I'd go with the 360-2 cnc with some rework....

I think he has 2 vehicles from the sound of it. ones is a tube chassis race truck?



Correct. He has a 93 stock frame Dakota and a 2001 Dakota with a tube chassis. The engine is in the 93 but is being transferred over to the newer truck as the chassis work comes to a finish.

I don't think he could go wrong with either indy head. for future consideration of going bigger I would go 360-1 he could always do a mild port on them at first.
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/30/12 11:32 PM

Well I got the set of 360-1 heads I was looking at with 1.7 T&D shaft rockers. Thinking I should sell my cam and get a little bigger one or just keep what I got as the T&D rockers will put me around .670" lift.


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Posted By: Quicktree

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/30/12 11:42 PM

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Well I got the set of 360-1 heads I was looking at with 1.7 T&D shaft rockers. Thinking I should sell my cam and get a little bigger one or just keep what I got as the T&D rockers will put me around .670" lift.


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you don't need those T&Ds I have a nice set of indy's i'll trade you you will have to stop by sometime
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 01/31/12 06:22 AM

Hell yeah sounds like a good time to me
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 01:06 AM

if you go see Tony just watch out for the attack dog
Posted By: RAY1969CARS

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 02:23 AM

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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


DEPUTY



W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
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W5's have alot of problems?????? like what kind ???
Posted By: Leigh

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 02:34 AM

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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


DEPUTY



W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
Brian [/quote






W5's have alot of problems?????? like what kind ???



Porosity and core shift. I know they are a good 59* option, IF you are privy to the inside handshake on all the pitfalls. Even Herb agreed on B1BA or W2 versus W5's in 1994. A ton of good, and a ton of junk.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 04:05 AM

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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


DEPUTY



W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
Brian [/quote






W5's have alot of problems?????? like what kind ???



Yes porosity, loose seats, guides not tight, guides not on center, guides too loose, water under the s/t won't allow a great port shape, deck is thin resulting in head gaskets unsealing rather easy, spring pads can sag after time, water can seep from the rocker shaft stud holes, they hold a ton of oil.
That's all I can think of right now. Ofcourse not all of them have these problems, but most every head out there has at least ONE of these problems and usually more.

Too bad because they could have been a KILLER head but never got there.
Posted By: emarine01

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 04:23 AM

Yep W5s are like women, some good some not.... Just hunt for the ones with the blue plugs & hope for the best
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/01/12 02:34 PM

Thanks for all the advice fellas Now I just gotta get a torque converter and an intake manifold. Think I'm gonna get the indy 360-3R intake.


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Posted By: MattW

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/02/12 01:42 AM

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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


DEPUTY



W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
Brian [/quote






W5's have alot of problems?????? like what kind ???



Yes porosity, loose seats, guides not tight, guides not on center, guides too loose, water under the s/t won't allow a great port shape, deck is thin resulting in head gaskets unsealing rather easy, spring pads can sag after time, water can seep from the rocker shaft stud holes, they hold a ton of oil.
That's all I can think of right now. Ofcourse not all of them have these problems, but most every head out there has at least ONE of these problems and usually more.

Too bad because they could have been a KILLER head but never got there.


Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5
Posted By: Ian

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/02/12 04:58 AM

watch those indys 245-1 they are a crack er head
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/02/12 05:09 AM

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5



I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!
Posted By: Pat7272

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/02/12 05:03 PM

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I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!



Heard that!!
Posted By: Ian

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/03/12 03:18 AM

the victors are 6 to 12 mths away at least ,but there may be a new contender in sb heads soon that will be up there with the w5/indys ,time will tell
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/03/12 05:56 AM

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watch those indys 245-1 they are a crack er head




Oh now you tell me after I already bought them, thanks alot



DEPUTY
Posted By: MattW

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/03/12 01:37 PM

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5



I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!



I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.
Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/03/12 10:40 PM

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5



I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!



I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.



Dart is on there way to doing mopar blocks so don't worry too much.
I disagree about the LA on the way out. 23° sb chevy stuff is still going strong despite the much hyped LS-LX stuff.
If this Victor head turns out to be a great piece, and we do infact get some blocks (Ritter has a very nice block)I see it as it's just starting!
Biggest hurdle is getting everyone to go 48° lifter angle.
IMO...all the new blocks/heads should be setup to go 48° and leave the 59° stuff to mild performance/mild racing and hot rod stuff.
Brian
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/03/12 11:34 PM

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Dart is on there way to doing mopar blocks so don't worry too much.
I disagree about the LA on the way out. 23° sb chevy stuff is still going strong despite the much hyped LS-LX stuff.
If this Victor head turns out to be a great piece, and we do infact get some blocks (Ritter has a very nice block)I see it as it's just starting!
Biggest hurdle is getting everyone to go 48° lifter angle.
IMO...all the new blocks/heads should be setup to go 48° and leave the 59° stuff to mild performance/mild racing and hot rod stuff.
Brian



I was looking at the r3 magnum block from mopar as my next upgrade, had any experience with it? is it worth a crap?
Will the 245cnc heads work on 48* blocks? Cause later on I wanna either go W9rp heads and 426-440 small block or go 512-540 big block from a 67hp block i have.


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Posted By: Brian Hafliger

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 01:37 AM

If you order the heads correctly or use a good Indy dealer (like me ) yes they can work on a 48° block.
No need to go with the magnum style block because if you plan on a hyd. roller Hughes lifters are a better platform for all out power vs. stock type lifters.
Brian
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 02:38 AM

So.... can you pm me info on the junk W5 heads that are for sale? I'm always interested in adding to our collection of wayward parts.
Posted By: MattW

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 02:56 AM

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5



I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!



I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.



Dart is on there way to doing mopar blocks so don't worry too much.
I disagree about the LA on the way out. 23° sb chevy stuff is still going strong despite the much hyped LS-LX stuff.
If this Victor head turns out to be a great piece, and we do infact get some blocks (Ritter has a very nice block)I see it as it's just starting!
Biggest hurdle is getting everyone to go 48° lifter angle.
IMO...all the new blocks/heads should be setup to go 48° and leave the 59° stuff to mild performance/mild racing and hot rod stuff.
Brian



Didnt know Dart was coming out with a block good news
the Chevy stuff is because the sell 100 to 1 of ours
I believe that MOPAR is not casting any of the LA heads that leaves us with INDY and Edelbrock heads. I dont think te P7 are catching on then again nothing Dodge makes is that popular.
The icing would be if MOPAR would start casting a quality P5 head and it would work with the RITTER block.
Posted By: Ian

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 02:57 AM

what about the b1 ba mc head ,they seem to be up there with indys
Posted By: Leigh

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 03:24 AM

Please elaborate.
Posted By: Ian

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 03:40 AM

http://www.brodix.com/heads/b1.php
Posted By: Leigh

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 03:47 AM

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the victors are 6 to 12 mths away at least ,but there may be a new contender in sb heads soon that will be up there with the w5/indys ,time will tell



Sorry, meant to quote this. Please elaborate.
Posted By: Ian

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/04/12 04:52 AM

there will be another head soon 3 -4 weeks similar to performer heads
lets just say there will be bigger ones up the road ,i will not say any more i dont wont to kill this before it gets going. i spoke to elderbrock they told me there still sorting things out and will be 6 mths-12 mths
Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/06/12 04:58 AM

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If you order the heads correctly or use a good Indy dealer (like me ) yes they can work on a 48° block.
No need to go with the magnum style block because if you plan on a hyd. roller Hughes lifters are a better platform for all out power vs. stock type lifters.
Brian


I'm running solid roller lifters us dakota guys get them from a guy called "danno" and they are called "danno" lifters. They are modified hyd. magnum lifters turned into solid lifters and work with or stock spider hold down. The lifter bodies have a problem though and like to break internally so I'm going to crane lifters.


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Posted By: slammedR/T

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/06/12 04:59 AM

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what about the b1 ba mc head ,they seem to be up there with indys


Too much money for me to use, maybe when more people start to use them the price will come down.


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Posted By: J_BODY

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/06/12 06:29 PM

.....so are the W5 heads you don't want for sale? Just curious.... If the price is right I'll add them to the pile.
Posted By: patrick

Re: 360-1cnc head vs. w-5 stage 4 head - 02/08/12 03:04 PM

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So.... can you pm me info on the junk W5 heads that are for sale? I'm always interested in adding to our collection of wayward parts.



considering he said both were SDSS prepped, I don't think he could have gone wrong with either...
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